Morgan and Geo's Videos

[J_Player]

You believe in this or you are only polite?

Why they need those pile of stones?

Ask amateur radio "fox finders".

"Fox transmitter" cannot be hidden in soil (cause not working), cannot be hanging on the bush (because it can be seen on TV), but pile of stones this is ever ideal location for LRL Fox transmitter.....

Hi WM6,
Sure amateur foxhunters don't put their transmitters in the ground because not working. But other RF hobbyists can get reception from RF under the ground and even under the water. I have seen videos of RC submarines that use RF signals sent to a receiver under fresh water more than 10 feet deep, and in salt water more than 3 feet deep. So how can it be impossible to receive RF through the ground? Maybe it is only because the frequencies and power levels used in the foxhunter groups are better hidden in rocks.

You are showing a method that would be used to create a trick to make fake videos. It is true this hidden transmitter trick could be used. But this trick was not used by Morgan, because Geo checked for RF signals using ameteur radio signal detectors when he began his testing at the Morgan demonstration location. We know he would have found a hidden transmitter if it was there. But Geo found no transmitter or signal generator.

Even more important, it is not possible there was any trick with hidden signal generators because we know the character of Morgan and Geo. They are not liars, and they do not make videos with intention to trick people. Qiaozhi has it right when he says "There is little point in discussing whether Morgan and/or Geo faked the videos", We all know that neither Geo or Morgan will make fake tricks on their videos.

So if you want to prove there is a hidden transmitter in Morgan's rock pile, then you must go to his rock pile and show us a video of you finding this hidden transmitter. You can be guaranteed we will believe your claims of a hidden transmitter, but only after we see your video showing absolute proof of a transmitter hidden in Morgan's rockpile.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

are very dificult to realize,we have the LRL schematic but only Alonso or Esteban as the skill to tune this device 100%

Regards

Yes, ferrite coil (in LRL actually ferrite antenna) have to be tunned. But there is not secret magic known only to Esteban and Alonso. I am buying handy security $10 detector from Hong Kong and amend it to pin-pointer. In original security detector with 14cm round coil can not detect scout knife at more than poor 3cm in air. After conversion and replacement original coil with exactly tunned ferrite coil new pin-pointer can detect the same scout knife at more than 20 cm in air (bad tuned at only 1 cm).

Regarding ferrite coil most of builders repeat the one same mistake: for tuning they not to provide free movement all of three parts of ferrite coils (coil 1, coil 2 and ferrite rod). Without this, neither the Fox LRL receiver nor pin pointer can not be optimal tuned, even everything else is done as necessary. But no wooodooo magic at all.

[WM6]

? Maybe it is only because the frequencies and power levels used in the foxhunter groups are better hidden in rocks.

Yes it is question of power. There are huge damping of such week signal in soil especially in wet soil. Frequency can be tuned on both TR and RX devices. Different frequencies have very different abilities penetration through a given substance. Fox hunter can hide in bush too, but there are not such video evidence because transmitters are known and searched.

[J_Player]

Yes it is question of power. There are huge damping of such week signal in soil especially in wet soil. Frequency can be tuned on both TR and RX devices. Different frequencies have very different abilities penetration through a given substance. Fox hunter can hide in bush too, but there are not such video evidence because transmitters are known and searched.

Great!
Show us your video of the hidden transmitter in Morgan's rock pile so we can have absolute proof to believe it is a fake like you do.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Great!
Show us your video of the hidden transmitter in Morgan's rock pile so we can have absolute proof to believe it is a fake like you do.

Best wishes,
J_P

No problem, give me pile of rocks.

[Jim]

In my opinion, testing on known targets is not really testing.

Further reading now indicates there was a known buried target amongst the rocks. This information was unknown to me, when I first viewed the videos. Now we are speculating the LRL gadgets were detecting gold, beneath rocks. In addition, the shallow trash item was incidental, I rekon.

The DC2006 does not respond. The DC2008 only responds when it is directly over the known target. The Geo-LRL responds when it is directly over the known target. The conventional metal detector gives intermittent signals when it is directly over the target. The red clone LRL only seems to beep when held or moved a certain way and beeps when not aimed at the target. The PD also beeped when moved a certain way, and beeped while not even pointing at the rocks.

In all honesty, I would be less skeptical had these guys actually detected an Unknown target from several meters away and retrieved the item. Maybe next time, eh?

[J_Player]

In my opinion, testing on known targets is not really testing.

Further reading now indicates there was a known buried target amongst the rocks. This information was unknown to me, when I first viewed the videos. Now we are speculating the LRL gadgets were detecting gold, beneath rocks. In addition, the shallow trash item was incidental, I rekon.

The DC2006 does not respond. The DC2008 only responds when it is directly over the known target. The Geo-LRL responds when it is directly over the known target. The conventional metal detector gives intermittent signals when it is directly over the target. The red clone LRL only seems to beep when held or moved a certain way and beeps when not aimed at the target. The PD also beeped when moved a certain way, and beeped while not even pointing at the rocks.

In all honesty, I would be less skeptical had these guys actually detected an Unknown target from several meters away and retrieved the item. Maybe next time, eh?

Not likely at this test garden. This is a place where Morgan buried a gold coin 20 years ago and allowed the past 20 years to grow a "halo" effect. If he were to dig the buried coin, then he would also destroy the halo that he waited 20 years to achieve. A second demonstration he made was away from his test garden, where he found a ring along with some other trash, and dug it up to show what he found. Check his later video to see the ring recovery.

About testing, this demonstration was intended to be a demonstration open to all forum members to come and see for themselves, and test the LRLs in their own hands. Any testing was to be whatever tests that people attending wanted to try, similar to the tests you might want to try at a metal detector shop to see what metal detectors work to your satisfaction. It was never intended to be a scientific test. But if you wanted to see a particular kind of test, you were invited to come and make your own tests like Geo did or anyone else could have done. Seems kind of late to complain we did not see the tests we want at this time.

It is hard for people who don't live close to Portugal to see the demonstration and try their own tests. Maybe there will be another demonstration held in the USA for people who want to see and try out LRLs with their own hands. This might be a solution to the problem of traveling to Portugal.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi.
I think that it is time to write and i Here.
I paid 3000 Euro for to make a fake video??? Why?? I don't construct detectors and i don't sell detectors. I paid only for me, to see if it works or no. You stay on your armchairs and criticize everything. Go to Morgan to see.
I know about Foxhunter long time before you. I checked the stones. Maybe i made a mistake eeee???? OK. Now what about the other two objects where there was not stones??? PD detect the foil from all the directions and central it. So, where is the fox transmitter???
Fox transmitters are simple very small transmiters that we put near the ground. Morgan used a lot of detectors and detected the objects.
Read....
Tessoro Eldorado (i think) 10Khz
Mineoro ????? my PDC210 was tuned at 34Khz.
PD by Alonso 62Khz
PD clone (red) about 80Khz
My LRL with big coil 50.2 and 70.9 Khz
My LRL with small coil 60.5 Khz.
With these machines we took beeps from the burried objects. Who is the basic frequency that gives harmonics for all this frequencies??
If you don't believe the test, No problem for all. But don't try with pseudo-arguments to persuade the others that tests are Fraud!!!!

[Jim]

Not likely at this test garden. This is a place where Morgan buried a gold coin 20 years ago and allowed the past 20 years to grow a "halo" effect. If he were to dig the buried coin, then he would also destroy the halo that he waited 20 years to achieve. A second demonstration he made was away from his test garden, where he found a ring along with some other trash, and dug it up to show what he found. Check his later video to see the ring recovery.

About testing, this demonstration was intended to be a demonstration open to all forum members to come and see for themselves, and test the LRLs in their own hands. Any testing was to be whatever tests that people attending wanted to try, similar to the tests you might want to try at a metal detector shop to see what metal detectors work to your satisfaction. It was never intended to be a scientific test. But if you wanted to see a particular kind of test, you were invited to come and make your own tests like Geo did or anyone else could have done. Seems kind of late to complain we did not see the tests we want at this time.

It is hard for people who don't live close to Portugal to see the demonstration and try their own tests. Maybe there will be another demonstration held in the USA for people who want to see and try out LRLs with their own hands. This might be a solution to the problem of traveling to Portugal.

Best wishes,
J_P

Unless you were there...in person...twenty years ago, the medallion (or now coin) was alledegdly buried in that spot, twenty years ago. Interesting how the trash we saw recovered had not been found and removed in that twenty year span of testing the known target.

I have already made mention about the "discovery" of the ring, and the dramatic recovery.

Jim

[J_Player]

Unless you were there...in person...twenty years ago, the medallion (or now coin) was alledegdly buried in that spot, twenty years ago. Interesting how the trash we saw recovered had not been found and removed in that twenty year span of testing the known target...

Jim

Hi Jim,
I am only going by what Morgan said. If he says he buried a gold piece 20 years ago, then I believe he buried a gold piece 20 years ago.
I am not sure I am understanding you. Are you suggesting that Morgan is not telling the truth about burying a gold piece there 20 years ago?
Or, maybe you're suggesting he was mistaken and buried something else different from gold?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Clondike Clad]

Why not send one to ul for testing or Consumer Reports

Hi.
I think that it is time to write and i Here.
I paid 3000 Euro for to make a fake video??? Why?? I don't construct detectors and i don't sell detectors. I paid only for me, to see if it works or no. You stay on your armchairs and criticize everything. Go to Morgan to see.
I know about Foxhunter long time before you. I checked the stones. Maybe i made a mistake eeee???? OK. Now what about the other two objects where there was not stones??? PD detect the foil from all the directions and central it. So, where is the fox transmitter???
Fox transmitters are simple very small transmiters that we put near the ground. Morgan used a lot of detectors and detected the objects.
Read....
Tessoro Eldorado (i think) 10Khz
Mineoro ????? my PDC210 was tuned at 34Khz.
PD by Alonso 62Khz
PD clone (red) about 80Khz
My LRL with big coil 50.2 and 70.9 Khz
My LRL with small coil 60.5 Khz.
With these machines we took beeps from the burried objects. Who is the basic frequency that gives harmonics for all this frequencies??
If you don't believe the test, No problem for all. But don't try with pseudo-arguments to persuade the others that tests are Fraud!!!!

If you really want to do a good test Let Carl test one of your units.
He will test it for free and post the information.
send one to Consumer Reports for testing

[hung]

Jim,

Your insecurity about this type of detection is normal and understandable for someone who complete ignores the phenomena and Mineoro's aproach for years and lacks any experience with those.

Morgan had already demonstrated the PD in action in a video for the private forum about 2 years ago when he had only a rock over the target as a reference mark. The 'so called phenomenon' that long time buried gold produces is the basis Alonso and Damasio employed along the time to evolve and perfect their devices. It will not be blocked by rocks, ceramic, glass, etc. About almost anything except iron and this, depending on what condition it's exposed. I will not go into the scientific explanation, being that discussing about this I would be risking to expose their discovery and the scientific basis without ethics. The preliminary information in Mineoro's site is correct and should be used as a general view of what is happening.

Morgan buried his medal as he already reported, for 10 years now and at only 20 cm. Considering the shallow depth and constant ordinary metal detection activity as he already said that this target was mainly intended to test his ordinary MDs along the time, the detectable fields in the target site must be weak, even for a 10 year period. The ideal condition would be burying his medal at least at 50 cm (about 2 feet) depth and that this spot would never be disturbed by any ordinary MDs, as when they are turned on close they end up ruining the ionic fields around it and takes time until it rebuilds again.

I the video some detectors are used, among them 2 Mineoro models, and the PDs. The original Alonso PD was a prototype for the latest models developed at Mineoro. So much so that it detects also aluminum pretty much. Bearing this in mind, not only the medal had his share of field intensity at the site but the alumium trash as well. So for the PD, who is also reacting to aluminum, they summed and ended as a stronger field than gold alone, which is the possible explanation for the Mineoros who have a stronger rejection to aluminum to only detecting it real close.
Trough my experience with these detectors, I can safely say that, in normal conditions (as the ones already explained above), 7 to 10 meters away, would be a fair distance for them depending on how sensitive the calibration knob is set.

So, in sum, don't doubt the videos are not true for a single minute. You have all the reasons to emit any opinions you want. It's your privilege. But any opinion pointing them as not authentic or the detectors are doing anything else but detecting the target is completely wrong and mistaken. We who use those type of devices and already found many items with it perfectly know that those are true and genuine videos.

[Geo]

If you really want to do a good test Let Carl test one of your units.
He will test it for free and post the information.
send one to Consumer Reports for testing

Hi.Really i can't understand you.
Morgan called all the members to go for the PD test.
Carl, don't wanted (or he was busy) to go for the test. So now what are you say??? I believe that Morgan has not problem to test again the PD if Carl go to Portugal.
But if you mean me to send my LRL to America...... NO. It costs a few Euros, but it is secret yet. I am not sure, but i believe the same for Morgan.
Also i am very glad that Carl will test our LRL for Free

[Esteban]

No problem, give me pile of rocks.

I do not believe that experimenters like Morgan and Geo deceive themselves doing false filming.

[Theseus]

Hi.Really i can't understand you.
Morgan called all the members to go for the PD test.
Carl, don't wanted (or he was busy) to go for the test. So now what are you say??? I believe that Morgan has not problem to test again the PD if Carl go to Portugal.
But if you mean me to send my LRL to America...... NO. It costs a few Euros, but it is secret yet. I am not sure, but i believe the same for Morgan.
Also i am very glad that Carl will test our LRL for Free

I guess I'm a little confused by your statement here; perhaps you can help me to understand.

If your LRL is "secret", I assume you mean the circuit and the electrical and mechanical design. That being the case, why then do you go to the trouble of making any sort of postings about your "LRL" on this open forum? What is the point, if every time someone asks you a question, you tell them it is secret?

Here, in the US, if an inventor believes they have come up with a device they later want to apply for a US Patent; there is a distinct process they go through in preparation for the Patent Application. The process involves the drafting of serious documentation, including all design notes, sketches and other supporting data; all of which must be dated and witnessed.

The process DOES NOT involve leaking information (no matter how incomplete or veiled) about said device, to anyone or any outside agency not involved directly in the design of the device. Also, the process would not "normally" include the video recording of the device in operation.

So maybe you can understand my confusion here as to the secrecy point, and help me to understand a little better, exactly what is secret, and why?

By the way, let's assume you did have a valid reason for keeping your LRL device secret - even while discussing it on an open forum, which is a strange situation. It is entirely possible to share your secrets with third-parties by entering into a standard Non-Disclosure Agreement with said third-parties.

For instance it would be entirely logical to enter into a Non-Disclosure Agreement with Carl, for the purposes of him conducting a test on your device, and in this way you could still maintain your secrecy from the rest of the world.

Are you familiar with Non-Disclosure Agreements, and how they work?