Morgan and Geo's Videos

[Max]

I guess I'm a little confused by your statement here; perhaps you can help me to understand.

If your LRL is "secret", I assume you mean the circuit and the electrical and mechanical design. That being the case, why then do you go to the trouble of making any sort of postings about your "LRL" on this open forum? What is the point, if every time someone asks you a question, you tell them it is secret?

Here, in the US, if an inventor believes they have come up with a device they later want to apply for a US Patent; there is a distinct process they go through in preparation for the Patent Application. The process involves the drafting of serious documentation, including all design notes, sketches and other supporting data; all of which must be dated and witnessed.

The process DOES NOT involve leaking information (no matter how incomplete or veiled) about said device, to anyone or any outside agency not involved directly in the design of the device. Also, the process would not "normally" include the video recording of the device in operation.

So maybe you can understand my confusion here as to the secrecy point, and help me to understand a little better, exactly what is secret, and why?

By the way, let's assume you did have a valid reason for keeping your LRL device secret - even while discussing it on an open forum, which is a strange situation. It is entirely possible to share your secrets with third-parties by entering into a standard Non-Disclosure Agreement with said third-parties.

For instance it would be entirely logical to enter into a Non-Disclosure Agreement with Carl, for the purposes of him conducting a test on your device, and in this way you could still maintain your secrecy from the rest of the world.

Are you familiar with Non-Disclosure Agreements, and how they work?

Hmmm... will not post jokes... I promise. At least for now...

But the patent ? Is that so safe in the US... ? Are you sure... ?

So what's this I read on a website ?

"
THE MEUCCI RULING:
According to the United States Congress, Alexander Graham Bell did not invent the telephone. In 2002, they said a little-known Italian man was the true inventor.
[ILLUSTRATION OMITTED]
His name was Antonio Meucci. And, 113 years after his death, he is getting his due.
The U.S. Congress says:
* Bell shared a lab with Meucci.
* Bell had access to Meucci's materials.
"

Then ? Still safe ?

I think that 113 years later and after his death the poor Meucci is not happy of US Congress and their hypocrisy and the late justice.

Don't forget that Bell Company exist today and maybe you're using their lines... mr. Bell stole the projects of Meucci (and that with help of a corrupted employee of the Patent Office) and made a fortune , and the real inventor died poor, unrecognized and full of rage !

It's hard for me to say... put on this side people do well don't trust much US patent offices...

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Hmmm... will not post jokes... I promise. At least for now...

But the patent ? Is that so safe in the US... ? Are you sure... ?

So what's this I read on a website ?

"
THE MEUCCI RULING:
According to the United States Congress, Alexander Graham Bell did not invent the telephone. In 2002, they said a little-known Italian man was the true inventor.
[ILLUSTRATION OMITTED]
His name was Antonio Meucci. And, 113 years after his death, he is getting his due.
The U.S. Congress says:
* Bell shared a lab with Meucci.
* Bell had access to Meucci's materials.
"

Then ? Still safe ?

I think that 113 years later and after his death the poor Meucci is not happy of US Congress and their hypocrisy and the late justice.

Don't forget that Bell Company exist today and maybe you're using their lines... mr. Bell stole the projects of Meucci (and that with help of a corrupted employee of the Patent Office) and made a fortune , and the real inventor died poor, unrecognized and full of rage !

It's hard for me to say... put on this side people do well don't trust much US patent offices...

Kind regards,
Max

Also it could bankrupt the inventor when he has to defend the patent against a large corporation.

[Qiaozhi]

I do not believe that experimenters like Morgan and Geo deceive themselves doing false filming.

Nor do I. There is nothing to be gained by such an activity.
As I said earlier - a faked video would have more consistent (and less erratic) beeping when detecting the target. That way it would be more convincing. Whereas the videos that Morgan supplied show how difficult it is to determine the position of the target. This is why some people have questioned whether it is really detecting anything at all. I guess you had to be there to be convinced.

[Theseus]

Also it could bankrupt the inventor when he has to defend the patent against a large corporation.

On the other hand, a lot of large corporations go to a great deal of internal expense to register a US Patent on those things they believe are trade secrets and believe by doing so it affords them a financial edge over the competition.

Are US Patents a perfect system and entirely fair to all concerned? No, probably not, but like our Judicial System (which one can poke many holes in, and sometimes send innocent people to the gallows while letting real crooks go free (ie. the fellow below)) it is the only system we have.

But more to the point of my original comment; why the secrecy one day, and then make postings on an open forum the next day? Clearly, if the intent is to one day market the device for commercial gain; that's fine, but the first one that gets sold reveals everything and there are no more secrets.

Just strikes me as a bit weird, unless of course all the cloak and dagger shenanigans are merely a theatrical ploy to pre-market the item and/or bolster someones' ego.

[Fred]

I think Geo Meant "restricted", not secret.
The videos where meant to convince the people that helped to reverse engineer the first PD that it works.
Now the videos went public and it turns it into a strange situation where the video are public but not the PD.

I think those video should be considered as an advice: it´s for free, you make what you want with them, but you should avoid to make too much negative comments, or next time there will be no advice at all.

[Max]

On the other hand, a lot of large corporations go to a great deal of internal expense to register a US Patent on those things they believe are trade secrets and believe by doing so it affords them a financial edge over the competition.

Are US Patents a perfect system and entirely fair to all concerned? No, probably not, but like our Judicial System (which one can poke many holes in, and sometimes send innocent people to the gallows while letting real crooks go free (ie. the fellow below)) it is the only system we have.

But more to the point of my original comment; why the secrecy one day, and then make postings on an open forum the next day? Clearly, if the intent is to one day market the device for commercial gain; that's fine, but the first one that gets sold reveals everything and there are no more secrets.

Just strikes me as a bit weird, unless of course all the cloak and dagger shenanigans are merely a theatrical ploy to pre-market the item and/or bolster someones' ego.

The problem is never for the big companies that can pay thousands dollars per hour to some jewish legal office in New York... (now am I talking like a nazi ?)

The problem is the broke dude that discover something and have not much money... and that can be fooled by all this mechanism of patent office and patents... including corrupted employees.

Now... to stay on the theme... how many e.g. Tesla projects and inventions were stolen by Edison ???

We'll never know. That's the fact... that's the truth. The Congress could say whatever it want... but where did you guys tap your phone today ???

Is MeucciSouth ??? Or BellSouth!???

Other example...

Tesla... extremely clever and a real genius at technology and physics was a disaster as business-man and let others make the money with his ideas... also cause he wasn't mr. Edison... a brilliant AMERICAN scientist... (sure it is)... but AMERICAN, US CITIZEN by birth.

Now same happened to Meucci and a number of many others... these, really, victims of economic power and image of people like prof. Bell or mr. Edison still today celebrated as inventor of this and that... and who knows how many ideas and patents they stole, and how well and performances they get from them in money produced.

That's reality still today! Do you think that e.g. jung indian or chinese reseachers or R&D guys will ever get a dollar more than salary for what they will discovery or invent in USA companies!

Big guys... play dirty games.

Kind regards,
Max

[Geo]

I guess I'm a little confused by your statement here; perhaps you can help me to understand.

If your LRL is "secret", I assume you mean the circuit and the electrical and mechanical design. That being the case, why then do you go to the trouble of making any sort of postings about your "LRL" on this open forum? What is the point, if every time someone asks you a question, you tell them it is secret?

Here, in the US, if an inventor believes they have come up with a device they later want to apply for a US Patent; there is a distinct process they go through in preparation for the Patent Application. The process involves the drafting of serious documentation, including all design notes, sketches and other supporting data; all of which must be dated and witnessed.

The process DOES NOT involve leaking information (no matter how incomplete or veiled) about said device, to anyone or any outside agency not involved directly in the design of the device. Also, the process would not "normally" include the video recording of the device in operation.

So maybe you can understand my confusion here as to the secrecy point, and help me to understand a little better, exactly what is secret, and why?

By the way, let's assume you did have a valid reason for keeping your LRL device secret - even while discussing it on an open forum, which is a strange situation. It is entirely possible to share your secrets with third-parties by entering into a standard Non-Disclosure Agreement with said third-parties.

For instance it would be entirely logical to enter into a Non-Disclosure Agreement with Carl, for the purposes of him conducting a test on your device, and in this way you could still maintain your secrecy from the rest of the world.

Are you familiar with Non-Disclosure Agreements, and how they work?

Hi.
Secret is the electronic schematic and the working principle.
I don't like to take a US Patent so no reason to want to apply for patent.
I told about my LRL on this open forum because Clondike ask me to send my LRL to Carl for test.
You wrote "For instance it would be entirely logical to enter into a Non-Disclosure Agreement with Carl, for the purposes of him conducting a test on your device, and in this way you could still maintain your secrecy from the rest of the world"
I don't understand, WHY to do it ??
I am not familiar with Non-Disclosure Agreements, and how they work, and believe me i don't interesting.

Regards

[Theseus]

Hi.
Secret is the electronic schematic and the working principle.
I don't like to take a US Patent so no reason to want to apply for patent.
I told about my LRL on this open forum because Clondike ask me to send my LRL to Carl for test.
You wrote "For instance it would be entirely logical to enter into a Non-Disclosure Agreement with Carl, for the purposes of him conducting a test on your device, and in this way you could still maintain your secrecy from the rest of the world"
I don't understand, WHY to do it ??
I am not familiar with Non-Disclosure Agreements, and how they work, and believe me i don't interesting.

Regards

Thank you for your response.

If the reasons for allowing Carl (or any other third-party) to test your LRL are not intuitively obvious to you, especially after what has transpired here on this open forum; than I doubt seriously I will be able to explain them to you. Also, if you have an aversion to Non-Disclosure Agreements, that is not something I can overcome or explain away.

Good luck in your endeavors, whatever your ultimate goals might be.

[Fred]

Also, if you have an aversion to Non-Disclosure Agreements, that is not something I can overcome or explain away.

If i may,
Geo has no special aversion against non-disclosure agreements, he´s just giving a $hit about spending time and having trouble to convince others that his device works.

[Qiaozhi]

But more to the point of my original comment; why the secrecy one day, and then make postings on an open forum the next day? Clearly, if the intent is to one day market the device for commercial gain; that's fine, but the first one that gets sold reveals everything and there are no more secrets.

Just strikes me as a bit weird, unless of course all the cloak and dagger shenanigans are merely a theatrical ploy to pre-market the item and/or bolster someones' ego.

The videos were initially posted in the closed forum because this was where the back-engineering took place. No other reason. As you can see, once they were released for general viewing, the reception was extremely negative with accusations of trickery. Neither Morgan or Geo were under any obligation to post the videos at all, and we should thank them for doing so. Of course, it would be very easy to fake an LRL video, but I think we are safe to assume that it did not happen in this instance. Basically, what you see is what you get. Apparently there is some more footage, and Geo will hopefully send this to me via email so that I can post it here.

[J_Player]

Thank you for your response.

If the reasons for allowing Carl (or any other third-party) to test your LRL are not intuitively obvious to you, especially after what has transpired here on this open forum; than I doubt seriously I will be able to explain them to you. Also, if you have an aversion to Non-Disclosure Agreements, that is not something I can overcome or explain away.

Good luck in your endeavors, whatever your ultimate goals might be.


Originally posted by Fred
If i may,
Geo has no special aversion against non-disclosure agreements, he´s just giving a $hit about spending time and having trouble to convince others that his device works.

It looks to me that Fred is correct. Geo has no reason to spend extra money for anything other than to take his trip to see Morgan's demonstration and find out with his own hands to see if these LRLs work or not. His reports or videos are only what he does for a favor to his friends in the forum. In fact, he has no reason to make reports or show videos to people who are not friends and try to call him names or laugh at him.

But about nondisclosure, Carl-NC has stated in the rules for his own separate contest for LRLs that he does not expect the demonstrators in his event to disclose the working circuits of their LRLs or show circuitry inside as long as it can be shown to be not one of the disallowed classes of devices he defines in his contest rules. So I doubt Carl is would require a nondisclosure agreement, or that he must do any reverse engineering if he were to watch Morgan's demonstration either, same as if he watched a demonstration during his own protocall testing. Carl-NC was invited to see Morgan's demonstration same as Geo was and the rest of us. If he had attended, then he would have been able to perform any reasonable tests same as Geo did or any of us would when visiting for a day or two. He could have tested in unknown fields, to dig all signals found, or any other way he wanted to see if the LRLs worked as claimed, and to check to see if he could find some way it would fail to work.

The idea for Geo or Morgan or anyone else to ship their experimental projects to be tested and returned seems like a poor idea in comparison to the idea of taking a day when anyone is permitted to come and try it out with their own hands. If I wanted to demonstrate projects of my own, the demonstration day would be a way I prefer, rather than to ship a project and wait for it to return, not knowing if it was lost or destroyed in shipping, or accidentally broken during testing while I wasn't there, etc. Even if a $5000 price tag for the loss of a project was insured, I would never be able to recover the time put into building and tuning the device which may be irreplaceable if it is a one of a kind prototype design. If I wanted a project to be thoroughly tested in some scientific test, I would at least want to be there to insure my project was not being misused in a way that could damage it or destroy it. But then, I have no motive to spend a lot of money and time to demonstrate any projects or convince anyone of anything, and I doubt Geo does either. It looks to me like he is sending info and videos only as a favor to a few forum members who are his friends.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Mineoro

You believe in this or you are only polite?

Why they need those pile of stones?

Ask amateur radio "fox finders".

"Fox transmitter" cannot be hidden in soil (cause not working), cannot be hanging on the bush (because it can be seen on TV), but pile of stones this is ever ideal location for LRL Fox transmitter. See videos again and enjoy this trick. Very clever but also unrepeatable in controlled circumstances. One need only strut pile of stones and End of LRL magic happens .

Why they need ferrite antenna in LRL?

To detect ions or secret gold radiation? No, for such things ferrite antennas are not suitable at all, but for directive receiving radio wave ferrite antenna is the real thing. Known and verified many times.

Pure trick nothing else. I am not discuss about intention, or who is here The Godfather. Intention are not known to me, maybe funny prank only. But final effect are very clear - one more mineoro promotion.

As i told before,Mineoro DC2008 start giving signals near the gold target,i think this happens only by chance.
All mineoro are useless to find small gold objects.

[Morgan]

Transmitter ?

You believe in this or you are only polite?

Why they need those pile of stones?

Ask amateur radio "fox finders".

"Fox transmitter" cannot be hidden in soil (cause not working), cannot be hanging on the bush (because it can be seen on TV), but pile of stones this is ever ideal location for LRL Fox transmitter. See videos again and enjoy this trick. Very clever but also unrepeatable in controlled circumstances. One need only strut pile of stones and End of LRL magic happens .

Why they need ferrite antenna in LRL?

To detect ions or secret gold radiation? No, for such things ferrite antennas are not suitable at all, but for directive receiving radio wave ferrite antenna is the real thing. Known and verified many times.

Pure trick nothing else. I am not discuss about intention, or who is here The Godfather. Intention are not known to me, maybe funny prank only. But final effect are very clear - one more mineoro promotion.

Transmitter hidden under pile of stones ???
And what about the silverpaper,and the ring,they was underground...This Transmitter cant be hidden underground as you said...

[J_Player]

Transmitter hidden under pile of stones ???
And what about the silverpaper,and the ring,they was underground...This Transmitter cant be hidden underground as you said...

Hi Morgan,
I have a question. Did you see any of the LRLs you demonstrated to find fresh gold or other metals in the air?
If you found metal detection in the air, what distances did you see this detection?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

PD air test

Hi Morgan,
I have a question. Did you see any of the LRLs you demonstrated to find fresh gold or other metals in the air?
If you found metal detection in the air, what distances did you see this detection?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi

We not make the film about AIR-TEST

The Alonso PD as good sensitivity to gold. As i told before ,this PD can detect one gold ring near the coil from 25 cm to 50 cm,this depends on how sensitive i can put the gain potentiometer.

Regards