rangertell examiner field trials

[Jim]

If your urgency for me to show all the test data is so you can post content from my website on TNet like you did from Geotech, you can forget it. I won't tolerate people hot-linking or stealing content from any of my websites without going through me first. Not you and not TNet.

I thought my question was a simple one, that really didn't require a lengthily reply. I simply asked if the manufacturer has lifted the restrictions on what you can or cannot report.

There is no urgency, nor did I state the data was urgent. You just made that up. If you do not want your data shared with like minded folks on other websites, with proper credit given...simply say so. Tolerate people stealing content....to much drama. Thread/picture removed.

[Theseus]

Hi Theseus,
This is included in the instructions as a "last resort" in the case you don't see the results expected after following the other instructions. There is nothing complex about it, but it requires looking for a very hard-to-find setting that may take some time for a new user of an Examiner. From what I read, this is only necessary on a few units that show poor performance. Apparently, I have a unit that needs this adjustment.

Best wishes,
J_P

"..nothing complex about it.." Let's say we substitute the word complex with the phrase "incredibly time consuming".

Also, by the way you explained it (the procedure); it would seem that there are some rather lop-sided odds associated with even achieving the correct tuning... ever. I'm not a bookie, but I would say it could be like 1 in 50 or 1 in 100 odds of ever achieving a satisfactory tuning.

Is it just me, or does this smell a lot like a built-in escape clause for those operators who fail to get the desired results? Certainly, if it is not an escape clause, it has got to be a delay clause, possibly eating up all the time on the return for a full refund clock.

[J_Player]

I thought my question was a simple one, that really didn't require a lengthily reply. I simply asked if the manufacturer has lifted the restrictions on what you can or cannot report.

There is no urgency, nor did I state the data was urgent. You just made that up. If you do not want your data shared with like minded folks on other websites, with proper credit given...simply say so. Tolerate people stealing content....to much drama. Thread/picture removed.

Hi Jim,

I don't mind my data being shared. My concern is for other sites using my bandwidth to keep afloat. No drama intended, just trying to avoid spending extra money for more bandwidth that runs other people's websites. Geotech probably does not have bandwith concerns, so I doubt they care if you hotlink them or post photos from their forums.

The manufacturer made no restrictions on what I can post or not. Therefore he cannot lift restrictions he did not make. I agreed not to show test results until I know the Examiner is working properly. The only restrictions have to do with copyrights and international disclosure laws that I made no specific agreement to. But I do abide by international laws when posting on international forums. You can expect I will not post proprietary information unless I have written permission from the owner of the information.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Jim]

Hi Jim,

I don't mind my data being shared. My concern is for other sites using my bandwidth to keep afloat. No drama intended, just trying to avoid spending extra money for more bandwidth that runs other people's websites. Geotech probably does not have bandwith concerns, so I doubt they care if you hotlink them or post photos from their forums.

if you think something smells like a lot like a built-in escape clause, tben come on over and videotape everything you see. You are invited.

Best wishes,
J_P

I deleted the thread/picture on TreasureNet. Way to much drama for me.

I didn't mention a escape clause.....and this is not urgent

[J_Player]

I deleted the thread/picture on TreasureNet. Way to much drama for me.

I didn't mention a escape clause.....and this is not urgent

Then why did you put text that includes "escape clause" in my quote? Isn't that from Theseus?

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

"..nothing complex about it.." Let's say we substitute the word complex with the phrase "incredibly time consuming".

Also, by the way you explained it (the procedure); it would seem that there are some rather lop-sided odds associated with even achieving the correct tuning... ever. I'm not a bookie, but I would say it could be like 1 in 50 or 1 in 100 odds of ever achieving a satisfactory tuning.

Is it just me, or does this smell a lot like a built-in escape clause for those operators who fail to get the desired results? Certainly, if it is not an escape clause, it has got to be a delay clause, possibly eating up all the time on the return for a full refund clock.

Hi Theseus,
I really don't know the answer to your questions. You may be right. Or maybe we will find that there is more to it than that. I really can't predict what we will observe. But I do know it takes time to make the adjustments at the trimmer cap. From what I read, there are only a few Examiners that need to have the setscrew adjusted as a last resort. I am taking a neutral position so I can make objective tests without speculating about what will be observed in the future and forecasting odds like a bookie might do. I suppose you could apply the same odds scenario to any metal detector that is suspect of not working properly and say there is an escape clause or delay clause built in. I guess I just havent arrived at that conclusion yet. But you could make a case about it.

As far as the refund clock, I do have an opinion that it would be better to have a 30 day period based on my experience.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Jim]

Then why did you put text that includes "escape clause" in my quote? Isn't that from Theseus?

Best wishes,
J_P

I just clicked Quote...and replied.

The text you see in the quote is what was there

[J_Player]

I just clicked Quote...and replied.

The text you see in the quote is what was there

Ok, no problem.
When my website is shown online, you can send me a PM or use the link at the website to contact me for posting content. No need for drama.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

Hey bigmouth, so there's indeed a diode as I had stated eh ??

Why is the presence of a diode important?

[J_Player]

Why is the presence of a diode important?

Hi Carl,
I don't think the presence of a diode is important.
The question I wonder about is if hung ever really measured any variances inside the Examiner. I saw the meter he used to measure the outside antenna and brass rod. But I never saw any measurements he claims he made inside. Personally I don't think he was able to get any meter measurements from inside his Examiner. I think he would need a more precision meter to see variances from inside the Examiner. My feeling is he made up the story about making measurements of variances inside. But this is only an opinion. Maybe hung really did measure something on his meter inside the Examiner. We will never know, because he never showed us any measurements he made inside. He only showed us some measurements outside with fingers touching the probes.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

This stuff has been going on for so long, I can't remember what's been said in the past. Hung seemed to make a Big Deal about the diode, and I wondered why.

Yeah, I remember now that he (supposedly) made internal measurements, but he would never show how to replicate them. Can't do anything with that but dismiss it.

[J_Player]

This stuff has been going on for so long, I can't remember what's been said in the past. Hung seemed to make a Big Deal about the diode, and I wondered why.

Yeah, I remember now that he (supposedly) made internal measurements, but he would never show how to replicate them. Can't do anything with that but dismiss it.

Ya, yer right

It was awhile ago. hung was trying to prove he measured variances inside his Examiner. He had a version that was called the "diodes" model that was in production after the version you tested in your report, and his model was replaced with the version I have. The big deal hung complained about is whether a diode was connected to a pot inside his Examiner. Maybe there is a diode connected to a pot like hung says, but nobody knows except hung because he never showed any evidence of it.

But this is not what the forum debate was about. Hung said he measured variances inside his Examiner. But when we asked to see some proof, he did not show any measurements from inside his examiner. He switched the test points to places on the outside instead. The question was posed "why can't we see the variances you claimed to measure from the inside like you said you did?" We never got an answer other than "I opened the Examiner and I made mods" or "there is a diode connected to the pot". But we never saw the alledged measurements hung says he made inside.

The measurements hung made on the outside are highly suspect to be tainted by errors. See what hung presented as a substitute for internal measurements here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...light=examiner

As an EE, you can draw your own conclusions of what hung actually measured in his presentation.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Rangertell is engaged in high level mineral detection. We have found an area with the Examiners which has assayed at 40 gm ton zinc, copper, gold, silver etc and hundreds of gm copper in one spot. All things being equal we won't even need to sell the locators eventually.

You forgot to tall that all those treasure was detected lying in sofa from 532 miles of distance.

Been there done that and 1300 users round the world are happy.

Honestly, not "are" but "would be" happy if they can do a little strangling with you.

Come up for a demo and we'll see what is wrong with your unit. Your body in fact may be out. It needs to resonate at normal levels, approx 6.9Hz. If you have a problem it would not.

Not only your body, your ethic may be out too. Your body resonate only on money frequency.

BTW, the owner is a Garry Brooker.

Brooker? Yes, this can be true.

Just because you've used the Examiner and not found gold doesn't mean a thing. Most people have found very little using metal detectors of the beeping kind over decades , so what's the difference?

If one as experienced detectorist search over decade by MD, mean that within range of the detector there is no gold, but if one search by RT over decade, mean that his mind and body not "resonate at normal level".

That is all I wish to say re this.

We already know. You do not have to be trying.

PS: If J Player can travel to Phoenix there is a guy there that uses the Examiner.

And maybe sell too?

Tech Support

You mean "Scam Support"?

[hung]

Hi Theseus,
This is included in the instructions as a "last resort" in the case you don't see the results expected after following the other instructions. There is nothing complex about it, but it requires looking for a very hard-to-find setting that may take some time for a new user of an Examiner. From what I read, this is only necessary on a few units that show poor performance. Apparently, I have a unit that needs this adjustment.

Best wishes,
J_P

It's more than obvious by now that you are not able to make the Examiner work.
It's so easy to maket it work tough. But I admit there are some people who simply can't do it as RT states. My wife being one of them.
So direct to the point. My advices for you:

1 - Contact Art trying to make an apointment with him. He lives in your neighboorhood. See if you can have him demonstrate the device live before your very eyes.
Tell him his emails with instructions are not working for you. This either due to your lack of ability as I stated above or in the worst case simply by conscient negligence.

2 - Quit at once the mambo you are trying to conduct here for weeks in a row. Once at Art's, you can film him, conduct lots of interviews, ask all the questions you feel like you need to and who knows, maybe you can start to learn how to use the device.
And don't forget to pay the guy for his time, please...

Well, all of the above provided you are serious as you claimed to be about your intented report and also, of course, if he thinks you are serious enough before he accepts to demo the device for you.
I for my part, don't think you are and never will be serious in this subject as you gave myself and the forum plenty of reasons to support this claim due to your lying and cheating in the PD past episodes.
Tough I cared to suggest the advices above, I know you will cheat again and discard what I suggest, simply because you actually NEVER had the intention to conduct a serious research. RT was all kindness in sending you a unit and after weeks, you still are blowing hot air, did no test it at all, and even pushed to open the device as you perfectly know.

If you were serious, by now, clearly knowing you can't handle the examiner, you would have already called Art and would have made all possible efforts to document his aproach on the device.
You are perfectly aware of his skills over the TNET forum.
Also you had my own testing report with the AC and DC variances, you had RT's own you tube video showing this procedure and did not bother to replicate either.

In sum, stop fooling the naives here because the ones who use the device and knows how to work with it, have already figured out what you are up to.
For those who really understand about the scientific concept behind it, your pictures clearly show how the device MUST and why it HAS to work. There's no other way!

I sincerelly hope you don't fall in the category of Carl's who owns more than 15 LRLs and can't make ANY of them work. Not even the all electronic ones!
Actually I'm thinking about calling Guiness this week to suggest his name for the category of the most incompetent LRL user to date!
Humm.. Maybe not the fame he expected...

[hung]

I see the xtal. and the diode in the Rangertell. The use of silicon diode is wrong here. Must be used high quality low drift germanium diode or even a germanium transistor as diode. Also the Xtal. freq. MAYBE is wrong, 4.43. In the 2000 I work with different xtals. in antenna FOR ELECTRONIC LRL PISTOL. Yes, this frequency (4.43) detect the gold (OBJECT PLATTED BY GOLD), but with interruptions. Of course, I have buried gold in my patio, no pure gold, clock platted by gold BURIED MANY YEARS. But found other object, a small platted gold chain by Rommanel, bijouterie, only platted by gold jewel, not pure.

No Esteban, this is not a Xtal or fequency for gold. The device is a substance detector able to react to many targets, not only gold, according to the frequencies that are input.

The Xtal I believe is acting as a stabilizer due to its properties, for keeping the pulses steady in the induction process and to avoid drifting.
Altough, there is much still to be done to perfect the device, I can safely say that its concept and the functions it can perform are the most advanced in LRL history to date.