Bionic 01 Video

[J_Player]

They've disagreed with me, and they've posted lots of testimonials, but no "proof." Heck, I've personally MET some of the TNet denizens over the years, and every single one of them failed when they tried to demonstrate an LRL to me.

How can I possibly believe that LRLs work when every single demonstration (by others, not me!) has resulted in failure? And yet I'm still willing to let anyone try. I've offered to visit Dell, Mike-Mont, Art, and others. Sorry, South America is not on my list right now.

- Carl

What !!?
Are you sure every single demonstration of an LRL failed when TNEt LRL enthusiasts tried to demonstrate their LRLs working?

What does this mean? Is hung wrong when he says "they proved you wrong many times"?
How come these LRL enthusiasts didn't make any mention of how they failed at every single LRL demonstration?
Now I am starting to wonder....

If every single LRL demonstration you saw failed, but we hear no LRL enthusiast talking about all these failed demonstrations, then what are we hearing them reporting from their field trips? Are they coming home from a treasure expedition and bragging about treasures they found without mentioning how the LRL failed every time, causing them to dig hundreds of empty holes?
Did they finally put their LRL away and take out a metal detector to find the treasure they are bragging about?
Is this what these LRL enthusiasts mean when they say LRLs work?

Hmmm... Maybe I have the wrong idea. But no problem. If I am wrong, then any LRL enthusiast can easily prove it by showing their LRL recovering treasure live in front of skeptic witnesses like Carl. A video of their demonstration would prove that they are right and Carl is wrong.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

If I am wrong, then any LRL enthusiast can easily prove it by showing their LRL recovering treasure live in front of skeptic witnesses like Carl. A video of their demonstration would prove that they are right and Carl is wrong.


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.

What about the 2 videos of Esteban????
Why you don't take them as proof???;;;

Regards

[ivconic]

Video clips are not good proofs. We must realize that once for all. No matter what is presented on video.
Like Carl said; most convinced can be if see presentation in person. Even than; presentation must be done in fair and objective manner. Spectators must have chance to suggest the way of testing and presenting.
I have been attendant at many simillar presentations in the past. I've seen all the common tricks that people can perform during presentations. Usually, tricks are purposely performed to trick spectators. But also i've seen unpurposely tricks of the mind of performer. Some dowsers are stil not awared how easily they becoming victims of trick of the mind in those situations. In several cases i helped to few of them to finaly understand that it was plain trick of the mind and nothing else.
So...bottom line is fact that video clips are not proofs at all. Everything can be arranged to "prove" or "disaprove" some situation, in video clip.
More you talk and more you rely on clips - more questions and doubts you can expect.
.......
If you really have revolutionary design and you really are sure in its functionallity - than once for all accept regular ways to present it to public.
Organize public presentations and be ready to answer all the possible questions.

[Geo]

I have not so perfect LRL, so to make public presentations. But i believe that the Esreban's video is true, so it is more cheap for Carl to go a travel to Paraguay and see the Esteban's LRL to work than to pay 25000 $.
What are you think about it???

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.

What about the 2 videos of Esteban????
Why you don't take them as proof???;;;

Regards

Hi Geo,
Esteban's video was not made showing his LRL recovering treasure live in front of skeptic witnesses like Carl, as I said in my post. Therefore he cannot make a video to show that he was right and Carl was wrong. He can only make a video to show what he wants to show.

I saw a video of stooge Curly squirt water out of his ears. This does not prove it really happened. Real proof would be when I see it with my own eyes live and can look from any angle I want to prove it is real. Proof for an LRL is also seen when you hold the LRL in your hand and watch it find treasure live. It is not when you see a video. Do you remember traveling from Greece to Portugal to see real proof instead of only watching videos?

Morgan's demonstration was only real proof for you and Morgan, because only you and Morgan were there holding the LRL in your hands live to test it. Other people who only watched the video saw proof that Morgan's demonstration convinced you it really works. People who only watched the video did not hold the LRL in their own hands and test it for themselves, and they did not prove for themselves that it really works. They only saw a video that proves you were convinced when you went to the demonstration.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.
I think that we say the "same". Where is the problem if Carl go to Paraguay to see with his eyes the LRL???? If Carl go and see the LRLs from Esteban, i don't need videos to believe him. If Carl will say don't work, for me will be the same as i had saw it.

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
I think that we say the "same". Where is the problem if Carl go to Paraguay to see with his eyes the LRL???? If Carl go and see the LRLs from Esteban, i don't need videos to believe him. If Carl will say don't work, for me will be the same as i had saw it.

Regards

Hi Geo,
I would believe a report that Carl made also.
He is the strongest skeptic who wants to see real proof instead of videos.
So if he says it works, then I will believe he is telling a true story after making many tests.
There are only two problems of Carl going to Paraguay:

1. Carl's travel plans do not include going to places in South America for now. From Carl's post above:
"I've offered to visit Dell, Mike-Mont, Art, and others. Sorry, South America is not on my list right now".

2. Any plans to win $25,000 will not happen, because the prize contest was suspended some time ago:

http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reward.dat

Until this prize is reinstated, any demonstrations are only done for the purpose of demonstration, not to win money.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
I would believe a report that Carl made also.
He is the strongest skeptic who wants to see real proof instead of videos.
So if he says it works, then I will believe he is telling a true story after making many tests.
There are only two problems of Carl going to Paraguay:

1. Carl's travel plans do not include going to places in South America for now. From Carl's post above:
"I've offered to visit Dell, Mike-Mont, Art, and others. Sorry, South America is not on my list right now".

2. Any plans to win $25,000 will not happen, because the prize contest was suspended some time ago:

http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reward.dat

Until this prize is reinstated, any demonstrations are only done for the purpose of demonstration, not to win money.

Best wishes,
J_P

So...., what are we doing now

Regards

[J_Player]

So...., what are we doing now

Regards

Hi Geo,
I don't know what you are doing, but I am watching a video of the Bionic 01 detecting a shovel at long range, and waiting to see what Putrechigi says after he sees it demonstrated to find buried gold instead of a different target located near the buried gold.


Best wishes,
J_P

[ivconic]

I have not so perfect LRL, so to make public presentations. But i believe that the Esreban's video is true, so it is more cheap for Carl to go a travel to Paraguay and see the Esteban's LRL to work than to pay 25000 $.
What are you think about it???

I dont't have right to speak and decide in Carl's name, i am not his advocate too, but...don't you think that trip to Paraguay is a bit expensive and time consuming? It is not just a trip to next place, few miles away! And for what? Just to check some suspicious claims!? With respect to Esteban....but we do not know who is Esteban for real and what are his intentions. All we know is that Esteban is member here, pretty descent guy most of the time..except when LRL comes to be subject!
God only knows what is in Esteban's head for real!? Or your? On my?
My point is that it is not piece of cake simply to catch a plane and go to Paraguay just like that!
Carl could face same situation as you faced visiting Morgan; previously good prepared conditions and field where tested LRL subject could show real "performances".
Real test would be to "surprise" Esteban (or any other LRL proponent) by visiting (or inviting) him to some neutral place where situation is unknown for both sides and unprepared by any side.
For example; Esteban and Carl both can come to third place and perform very objective test on unknown and uprepared soil and conditions.
Somewhere in the middle between Oregon and Paraguay. Fair enough.

[ivconic]

Ok here are calculations!

Straight air distance between Sweet Home (OR) and Asuncion (Paraguay) is approx 6.300 miles (10.150 km). So..Carl and Esteban should meet in the middle....somewhere between Managua and San Jose. Fair enough!
Do we have some member there? Between Managua (Nicaragua) and San Jose (Costa Rica)? Some descent member to be third person and to rush and host those guys?
C'mon!

[Geo]

I dont't have right to speak and decide in Carl's name, i am not his advocate too, but...don't you think that trip to Paraguay is a bit expensive and time consuming? It is not just a trip to next place, few miles away! And for what? Just to check some suspicious claims!? With respect to Esteban....but we do not know who is Esteban for real and what are his intentions. All we know is that Esteban is member here, pretty descent guy most of the time..except when LRL comes to be subject!
God only knows what is in Esteban's head for real!? Or your? On my?
My point is that it is not piece of cake simply to catch a plane and go to Paraguay just like that!
Carl could face same situation as you faced visiting Morgan; previously good prepared conditions and field where tested LRL subject could show real "performances".
Real test would be to "surprise" Esteban (or any other LRL proponent) by visiting (or inviting) him to some neutral place where situation is unknown for both sides and unprepared by any side.
For example; Esteban and Carl both can come to third place and perform very objective test on unknown and uprepared soil and conditions.
Somewhere in the middle between Oregon and Paraguay. Fair enough.

I don't agree with "both can come to third place "...
As you know i do not sell detectors or LRLs so i am interesting only for the true and nothing else. So i would like to see a test at Paraguay where Esteban shows a lrl to work (at conditions of Paraguay), and why not after it at a third place as you wrote....
I saw LRLs to work, so i take this position!!!. But LRLs don't work so good and every time as metal detectors works, so this is the reason that i want to see test at more places.... to understand what is happening.

[ivconic]

Ha! Weak argument!

White's DFX (Oregon,USA) works perfect here in Sokobanja (Serbia) !!!
Minelab Explorer SE (Australia) works perfect here in Sokobanja (Serbia)!!!
Cscope 1220B (UK) works perfect here in Sokobanja (Serbia)!!!
.....
Do you need more arguments?

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
I don't know what you are doing, but I am watching a video of the Bionic 01 detecting a shovel at long range, and waiting to see what Putrechigi says after he sees it demonstrated to find buried gold instead of a different target located near the buried gold.


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
I wrote my position with my experience from Bionic Alfa. I am not sure about Bionic01, but the Japan laser that i saw, worked very easy compared to Bionic. It did not like the beam to be exactly on the object, but if the "line" was up of the object then you had a strong beep.

Regards

[Geo]

Ha! Weak argument!

White's DFX (Oregon,USA) works perfect here in Sokobanja (Serbia) !!!
Minelab Explorer SE (Australia) works perfect here in Sokobanja (Serbia)!!!
Cscope 1220B (UK) works perfect here in Sokobanja (Serbia)!!!
.....
Do you need more arguments?

somewhere you tangled them