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[Theseus]

Tritium Option

Total nonsense.

Just another useless dowsing gadget driven by the ideomotor response.

BTW, did you notice If you want the tritium power load, add $25.

Now there is an option you could hardly do without. I mean if the dowsing rod itself wasn't a big enough joke, why not go the extra $25 and get the Tritium Power Load.

Certainly a bent coat hanger will work as well as this expensive dowsing contraption, WITH or WITHOUT the tritium power load.

Also, I wonder if Mike(Mont) and Tim Williams (LRLman) is aware of the US Export Laws concerning the shipment and carriers involved in transporting Tritium? I wonder also if he is aware of the Health Hazards associated with Tritium? Do you suppose he iterates those to his customers before offering them the "tritium power load"?

Oh, and BTW, what exactly does a tritium power load do to enhance ones ideomotor response?

[Fred]

I am sure the tritium has a strong psychological effect, which is all is necessary for dowsing.
This is tritium:



I wonder what are the effect if you already use a watch with tritium...

[g-sani]

What is the similarity between crows and skeptics?
They move around in bunches.

[Theseus]

I am sure the tritium has a strong psychological effect, which is all is necessary for dowsing.
This is tritium:

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I wonder what are the effect if you already use a watch with tritium...

Yes, that's an example of the use of tritium, but Mike talked about a Power Load, inferring that it was capable of making a difference in the dowsing rod's accuracy or response characteristics - so that probably means a MUCH LARGER amount of tritium.

[J_Player]

I am sure the tritium has a strong psychological effect, which is all is necessary for dowsing.

I wonder what are the effect if you already use a watch with tritium...

Hi Fred,
If tritium used in a watch helps to show a good reading, then tritum in a compass should also help to get a good reading.

The difference is....
For the watch it helps only to find the time of day.
But for the compass, it helps to find the direction where the treasure machine is pointing.


P.S. Tritium would also have the same effect on the ring compass.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Yes, that's an example of the use of tritium, but Mike talked about a Power Load, inferring that it was capable of making a difference in the dowsing rod's accuracy or response characteristics - so that probably means a MUCH LARGER amount of tritium.

I don't recall Mike(Mont) mentioning tritium. Nor do I recall tritium as being a standard ingredient for the average power load used in an LRL. Apparently this is being offered by a dowsing rod salesman, without implying what the psychological effects or amount of tritium is. Most other power loads I read about are a mixture of odd salts and sands, or a sample of target material placed in the hand or in a sample chamber -- quite inexpensive for an average dowser to rig up.

But if you did coat certain parts of the rod with tritium and phosphors, it could improve a user's ability to see where it is pointing at night without carrying extra lights, whose metal parts and current flow could interfere with the forces from the magnets.

Also the improved visibility when using triitium at night could be proven by demonstrating it in a repeatable way.
And if this rod was well balanced, It's ability to always align toward the magnetic north pole could also be demonstrated on a windless night.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

I don't recall Mike(Mont) mentioning tritium. Nor do I recall tritium as being a standard ingredient for the average power load used in an LRL. Apparently this is being offered by a dowsing rod salesman, without implying what the psychological effects or amount of tritium is. Most other power loads I read about are a mixture of odd salts and sands, or a sample of target material placed in the hand or in a sample chamber -- quite inexpensive for an average dowser to rig up.

But if you did coat certain parts of the rod with tritium and phosphors, it could improve a user's ability to see where it is pointing at night without carrying extra lights, whose metal parts and current flow could interfere with the forces from the magnets.

Also the improved visibility when using triitium at night could be proven by demonstrating it in a repeatable way.
And if this rod was well balanced, It's ability to always align toward the magnetic north pole could also be demonstrated on a windless night.

Best wishes,
J_P

It is mentioned "here" on the ad for the sale of the dowsing rod.

http://www.lrlman.com/Pages/MikeRod/revelation_locator_rod.htm

He does not say here, if it is used to produce better visibility. I'm just guessing a "power" load would be something to enhance the locating properties of the dowsing rod. (a sales gimmick to further fool the "gullible")

It would be most interesting to know how Tritium does that.

If it's for visibility, then that is a different issue, and would not be unlike the sights on my 9mm.

[J_Player]

It is mentioned "here" on the ad for the sale of the dowsing rod.

http://www.lrlman.com/Pages/MikeRod/revelation_locator_rod.htm

He does not say here, if it is used to produce better visibility. I'm just guessing a "power" load would be something to enhance the locating properties of the dowsing rod. (a sales gimmick to further fool the "gullible")

It would be most interesting to know how Tritium does that.

If it's for visibility, then that is a different issue, and would not be unlike the sights on my 9mm.

I did not know this is Mike(Mont)'s advertisement. I thought it was LRL-man's advertisement to sell Mike's rod, and included an offer to include a tritium power load for extra cost. The source of the tritium power load seems unclear to me.

From the advertising I read from other sellers of power loads, the purpose is connected with small amounts of radiation causing unknown effects to be come more activated. What effects were never explained very well. These could be connected with the target, or the sample, or the user's biological response.

Since there is no real explanation what a tritium power load does, I was able to see a real-science based application in Fred's photo, which could also be applied to a dowsing rod with a magnet configured as a compass by balancing it. The tritium, when used in the manner shown in Fred's photo could be used to demonstrate repeatable results of improved visibility in low light scenarios.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

I did not know this is Mike(Mont)'s advertisement. I thought it was LRL-man's advertisement to sell Mike's rod, and included an offer to include a tritium power load for extra cost. The source of the tritium power load seems unclear to me.

From the advertising I read from other sellers of power loads, the purpose is connected with small amounts of radiation causing unknown effects to be come more activated. What effects were never explained very well. These could be connected with the target, or the sample, or the user's biological response.

Since there is no real explanation what a tritium power load does, I was able to see a real-science based application in Fred's photo, which could also be applied to a dowsing rod with a magnet configured as a compass by balancing it. The tritium, when used in the manner shown in Fred's photo could be used to demonstrate repeatable results of improved visibility in low light scenarios.

Best wishes,
J_P

So, is it your honest belief (interpretation) the tritium is strictly for visibility enhancement, based on what you read in the ad?

Yes, I understand it is Tim's ad, but wouldn't Mike have had to agree to the content of it?

[J_Player]

So, is it your honest belief (interpretation) the tritium is strictly for visibility enhancement, based on what you read in the ad?

Yes, I understand it is Tim's ad, but wouldn't Mike have had to agree to the content of it?

No, that is not my belief or what I said. I doubt it is even what you infered unless you have a prejudiced point of view.

Go back and read again:

1. "The source of the tritium power loads seems unclear to me".
I cannot conclude Mike would have to agree with it, because it is possible this is a power load that is offered by LRL-Man as an accessory he added independently to Mike's dowsing rod. Or it is possible it is offered by Mike and simply passed on in LRL-Man's advertisement. Ordinary logic without adding prejudice would suggest we do not draw conclusions until we know what the facts are. We simply state the source of the tritium power load seems unclear.

2. "Since there is no real explanation of what a tritium power load does, I could see a real-science application in Fred's photo..."
Haven't I stated there is no real explanation given of what it does? The application I saw did not come from the dowsing rod advertisement or other power load advertisements. It came from Fred's photo... an unrelated source that happens to have a basis in real explainable science. My implication is I found an alternate real-science use for tritium in the absence of any explanation of it's intended function in the advertising. Of course you are free to draw whatever erroneous inferences you want as long as you don't try to present them as my belief (interpretation).

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

No, that is not my belief or what I said. I doubt it is even what you infered unless you have a prejudiced point of view.

Go back and read again:

1. "The source of the tritium power loads seems unclear to me".
I cannot conclude Mike would have to agree with it, because it is possible this is a power load that is offered by LRL-Man as an accessory he added independently to Mike's dowsing rod. Or it is possible it is offered by Mike and simply passed on in LRL-Man's advertisement. Ordinary logic without adding prejudice would suggest we do not draw conclusions until we know what the facts are. We simply state the source of the tritium power load seems unclear.

2. "Since there is no real explanation of what a tritium power load does, I could see a real-science application in Fred's photo..."
Haven't I stated there is no real explanation given of what it does? The application I saw did not come from the dowsing rod advertisement or other power load advertisements. It came from Fred's photo... an unrelated source that happens to have a basis in real explainable science. My implication is I found an alternate real-science use for tritium in the absence of any explanation of it's intended function in the advertising. Of course you are free to draw whatever erroneous inferences you want as long as you don't try to present them as my belief (interpretation).

Best wishes,
J_P

I think I understand....

Seems to be a lot of drama involved for what started out to be a simple comment about a tritium power load. Whatever.... I'll be glad when the rains stop in your area, things dry out some, and you can get out and get some fresh air again.

[J_Player]

I think I understand....

Seems to be a lot of drama involved for what started out to be a simple comment about a tritium power load. Whatever.... I'll be glad when the rains stop in your area, things dry out some, and you can get out and get some fresh air again.

Ya, nice try Theseus,

You didn't make a simple post about tritium power loads. You posted an innuendo that I believe things which I do not, dredged from your inferences: "So, is it your honest belief (interpretation) the tritium is strictly for visibility enhancement, based on what you read in the ad?"

Why not try something useful to attain your goals...
For example, contact an aquaintance in the Southern California area and convince them to come and try out the examiner to see how it works in person. This will do a lot to help show you what it actually does instead of speculating. They can report back to you so you can compare what they tell you to what I post about it. Can you think of a better practical way to find the facts?

No need to interject drama... just do it. Maybe you will find this actually helps to arrive at your goals. Really.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Ya, nice try Theseus,

You didn't make a simple post about tritium power loads. You posted an innuendo that I believe things which I do not, dredged from your inferences: "So, is it your honest belief (interpretation) the tritium is strictly for visibility enhancement, based on what you read in the ad?"

Why not try something useful to attain your goals...
For example, contact an aquaintance in the Southern California area and convince them to come and try out the examiner to see how it works in person. This will do a lot to help show you what it actually does instead of speculating. They can report back to you so you can compare what they tell you to what I post about it. Can you think of a better practical way to find the facts?

No need to interject drama... just do it. Maybe you will find this actually helps to arrive at your goals. Really.

Best wishes,
J_P

You know something Graham... I'd like nothing better than to contact some acquaintance of mine in CA and have them drop by your place to do just that; run through a couple of simple tests. Believe me, if I knew someone that was in your immediate area, you would have heard from them by now.

Problem is, I don't have any acquaintances that live anywhere close to you. And, that's not the only problem I have. How could I be sure they wouldn't be wasting their time if;

1). your schedule and coordination of timing for a visit might never coincide with theirs and

2). if you are never able to "adjust" the trimmer cap to the satisfaction of yourself or R-T, then there may NEVER be anything to test in the first place.

Now is that being melodramatic, or just realistic? I think it is a legitimate concern based on the amount of info you've released so far. And remember, you have the "whole enchilada" to look at, all I've had are the tidbits you've been placing here. So, admittedly I have had to make some guesses, some read between the lines and probably some inferences.

While we are on the subject of inferences... When I said; "So, is it your honest belief (interpretation) the tritium is strictly for visibility enhancement, based on what you read in the ad?" I was NOT trying to put words in your mouth, OR state that you believed somethinig that you do not believe. I WAS HONESTLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU BELIEVED ABOUT THE TRITIUM POWER LOAD! That's all. If you will notice, the statement was in the form of a QUESTION.

Now, why would I have a problem understanding anything you might be talking about? Because, Graham, for about the last two or three months here on this forum, you have changed the way you speak about LRLs and the LRL manufacturers; that's why. You have gone into this mode that I could only describe as Hyper-Condescending speech patterns.

Are you aware you've done that? The change had to be a conscious effort on your part; I'm just really unclear why. Perhaps a PM would help me to understand.

I used to think I knew your stance on these subjects. I don't think that anymore. Your stance may not have changed at all, but it certainly is no longer clear to this reader/observer.

Finally, let's get all the cards face up on the table here. If I have made any inferences concerning the RT Examiner, the theory of operation, what it can do, and what it basically is; it is because of one very important piece of information that I hold as Fact and Truth in my own mind and past experience.

That is; I BELIEVE Carl and everything he has posted about the Examiner(S) he has examined and tested. Further I do not believe the one you have, or any future ones you might get will be any different from or produce any different results from the ones Carl has examined.

I'm very sorry you didn't see any humor in my little jingle. I thought it injected a little levity at a time when that thread could use a little.

Take care... and happy fishing.

[Tim Williams]

Just to be clear. Mike sent me what he wanted to say about his rod. I make nothing on the sales of his rod. Just helping him.

[J_Player]

Just to be clear. Mike sent me what he wanted to say about his rod. I make nothing on the sales of his rod. Just helping him.

Thanks for the clarification, Tim.

While we are on the subject of inferences... When I said; "So, is it your honest belief (interpretation) the tritium is strictly for visibility enhancement, based on what you read in the ad?" I was NOT trying to put words in your mouth, OR state that you believed somethinig that you do not believe. I WAS HONESTLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU BELIEVED ABOUT THE TRITIUM POWER LOAD! That's all. If you will notice, the statement was in the form of a QUESTION.

Is that so? But wait...
you already knew my honest belief (interpretation) because you quoted my previous answer in the same post where you asked this question. How can you expect me to think you were honestly trying to figure out what I believed about the tritium power load after I already told you?

I see your post where you show my answer, then rephrase it to appear I believe the tritium is strictly for visibility enhancement. This does not look like you were trying to find out my answer. It looks like you already knew my answer from reading it, and rephrased it to appear as a different answer than what I said: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...&postcount=429

What you describe as Hyper-Condescending speech patterns is not something that changed in the past few months. I generally use that manner of speech pattern when anyone misquotes a post I make, or does something else I disagree with strongly. I have used this speech pattern since my earliest posts when people were misquoting what I posted to arrive at meanings I did not express. Especially when I suspected they have an agenda to promote that is not the same as what I am saying in a post.

Here is an example of me correcting a forum poster who misquoted some things I said to suit his purposes back in 2006.
You will recognize a speech pattern in my response that you described:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=43481&postcount=262
You can check a lot more of my posts from that time to present to get a clear idea of where my cards are. You will find the same attitude you described when I had a purpose to use it, and you will find I don't follow any particular party line in the LRL-believer/Skeptic debate, I just follow what makes sense to me. But most consider me to lean generally toward the skeptical side of the spectrum.

If you haven't heard, my main interest is to see people who claim to have working LRLs to demonstrate them recovering treasure live in front of me. I also am interested in learning some facts instead of just believeing what other people say. This has not changed since I joined this forum. It doesn't bother me to ask questions about theoretical signal lines or details of dowsing, even though I never saw any live proof that they exist as working methods. I also liked reading Carl's Rangertell article and other articles about LRLs. But instead of jumping blindly on the safety of some bandwagon, I'm taking Carl's advice.... to not believe what others tell me. See for myself.

My cards have been on the table since I joined this forum. You will find many of my posts shortly after joining this forum in 2006 show me asking these same questions here:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11046

You can also read my 2006 posts when I debated with Carl-NC and Jim about my belief there are gold ions dissolving in the soil here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...&postcount=105

And you can read all about my participation in an LRL project and discussion with a number of LRL supporters and skeptics here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11392


Then continue on in a forum search to see tons of condescending posts I made, LRL believer posts I made, skeptic posts I made, ions-in-the-soil posts I made, science posts, and even stupid posts. Currently you are seeing the effects of what happens when I feel like I am being misquoted or being manipulated in some other cheesy manner. My cards haven't changed.

Best wishes,
J_P