Are we gonna ever see working LRL?

[ivconic]

Geo,
Actually you apparent inconsistency is suspicious.
I remember the Iconos device, that magically appeared from a secret company, and you promised tests results.
On first tests made amazing detection with it, a few have been sold then everything disappeared- including results.
Now a after few tests with the PD, - with no obvious positive results- but suddenly you got totally convinced, claiming unbelievable results, and a new amazing device appears (able to detect a coin at 30m), but which theory of operation and schematics are big secret - very similar to the iconos, that could not be opened.
Are you regularly illuminated ?

Geo went to short trip so he can not answer right now.
Yet you have good points there and i agree with you.
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You reminded me again on Andreas's project. I recevied schematics from Andreas on my email, in the past.
Since it was mostly based on radio principles, best man i know to ask about that was...who else - Robert.
I send schematics to him and he told me those were nonsences and also some parts of those were already faked!?
Than he posted those here and Andreas was crazy about that.
My mistake - i didn't prevented those to be posted in public.
Than...many months later (day or two ago) i pisssed up Geo with my posts and he told me:
"...A.jpg has a lot of errors!!.." refering to those schematics?

So Geo knew that it was faked and with errors?!
......
Usuall excuse from strong arguments is: "...i do not sell LRL devices.."
So what?
Not selling now...but it is possible to sell in future!
Not selling simply because there are no workable LRL's and day by day there are less people to be easilly fooled to buy nonworking crap.
So, seems everyone is hardly trying to achieve some so so results with LRL because public interest in those things is HUGE!
First one who achieve to make working LRL will make fortune! Everybody knows that. Pitty, nobody achieved nothing so far...

[ivconic]

If i had working LRL project (i beleive it is not possible) i would use it for my own prospecting needs for a while. Than a while after i would try to make it comercial and to make fortune selling those. Honest isn't it?
So why telling stories about noncomercial nature of such "fantastic" devices?
Who are we joking?
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Since i am not able to invest and organize my own production line;
i would contact White's, Garrett, Minelab, Fisher, Cscope..etc.. and invite them to presentation of working LRL. I would offer them all the needed conditions to check device accuracy and provide them with all the neccessary details and documentations. All that done in public and official.
Than i will engage good advocates to represent me when making bussines deal with one of those, the one with best offer.
And that is all. Simple and easy way. Not much phylosophy at all.

[WM6]

If i had working LRL project (i beleive it is not possible) i would use it for my own prospecting needs for a while. Than a while after i would try to make it comercial and to make fortune selling those. Honest isn't it?

Exactly. We going to find out LRLs, when the earth runs out of gold. Until then, will be available to us only inoperative LRL and tale stories connected to such creations.

[ivconic]

Exactly. We going to find out LRLs, when the earth runs out of gold. Until then, will be available to us only inoperative LRL and tale stories connected to such creations.

Metalic item to be found at long distance, must have some unique feature that makes it much different from environment and at the same time need device capable to "recognize" that item only by that unique feature. It is hard to imagine device itself! Which technology to use? Radio? How to relate radio wave with any of metalic item features? IR? The same. NMR? Yes it could be done and already was done but with limitations and it is to expensive for our matters. EM field? Done and explored but not satisfactory, with huge limitations. Something else? Maybe.
But what is with environment? It is not empty space. It is composite substance.
How to cancel environment factor in process of LR locating/detecting?
How to acuratelly detect only "needle in hay stack" ?
Tough task.

[J_Player]

Metalic item to be found at long distance, must have some unique feature that makes it much different from environment and at the same time need device capable to "recognize" that item only by that unique feature. It is hard to imagine device itself! Which technology to use? Radio? How to relate radio wave with any of metalic item features? IR? The same. NMR? Yes it could be done and already was done but with limitations and it is to expensive for our matters. EM field? Done and explored but not satisfactory, with huge limitations. Something else? Maybe.
But what is with environment? It is not empty space. It is composite substance.
How to cancel environment factor in process of LR locating/detecting?
How to acuratelly detect only "needle in hay stack" ?
Tough task.

According to some long range locating theorists, environmental factors are necessary to support secondary effects of buried metal. One of these is the effect of a well known space charge in the lower atmosphere which causes electrons to move from the ground to molecules in the air and travel upward. Apparently these theorists expect to see a difference in some effect they claim they are measuring at a distance from the air where the metal is buried. From what they say, they don't want the environmental factor of atmospheric charge moving electrons up to be removed. If anything, they want it to be stronger.

But maybe they would want other environmental factors to be removed that add noise to some small measurements they try to read.

Best wishes,
J_P