A patent to detect substances by infrared like Esteban used.

[hung]

"the ionization means is an optical radiation source, such as an IR laser beam source."

Infrared is not a frequency band that will ionize. Any jr level patent examiner should have noticed this and said, "Uh, wait a second... do you actually know what you are talking about?"

- Carl

This is not exactly what he is stating in the patent.

What he is claiming is that trough resonance, an IR laser beam can be used to develop wave packets that undergo non destructive molecular resonance producing a characteristic electrical field.

Experiments already have been performed employing extreme short pulses to ionize Helium according to the phase of IR and of the pulses. When this is done, by resonance, an excitation state is reached and packets of electron waves are developed. These pulses are extremely short, in the femto to atto seconds range, I believe.

Then this electrical signal response is detected by the IR sensor which is tuned to the same EM band as the intermediate chemical, in this case, oxygen or nitrogen.

By a related process in the optical realm , in the 'cameras see gold' thread over Tnet I told you about the IR release from the earth's surface in the cooling process which interacts with tellurics and its magnetic fields. These yields 'optical' activity in the IR band that can be seen trough a IR filter attached to a camera and enhanced with the algorithms of some photo editors.

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[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
Are you defining the "phenomenon" you refer to as "clouds" that are produced in the air around long-time buried metals?

Best wishes,
J_P

Around the good conductive item buried for long time are a kind of "cloud", but this "cloud" seems an electrical/magnetic field. In the air? Don't know. But around the buried item. When you dig the item you can't detect out anymore. While buried for several years, the "thing" that accompanies it "helps" the detection. Is the secondary effect, not only the metal per se. Ferrous terrain mask also this detection.

Last discovery made by an owner of pistol. On its field test was a sheet of newspaper (colour and B&W) and this masked the detection at distance. Seems that the compounds of different inks are a problem. But, of course, luckily, you not going to go around with newspaper scattered.

[Esteban]

You mention a few of the tells I noticed, but there's one that stands out:

"the ionization means is an optical radiation source, such as an IR laser beam source."

Infrared is not a frequency band that will ionize. Any jr level patent examiner should have noticed this and said, "Uh, wait a second... do you actually know what you are talking about?"

- Carl

I noticed that when a metallic object good conductor of heat and electricity are exposed to strong heat of the sun on a good day, this is detectable outside. Seems that emits "something" that is easily detectable. This happened in a place where spent a tractor to repair a road. The detection was very good. Then I found on the sand, outside, 1/4 silver coin.

[WM6]

... a sheet of newspaper (colour and B&W) and this masked the detection at distance. Seems that the compounds of different inks are a problem.

Astral constelations are problem, newspaper inks are problem, indigestions are problem, only non-working LRL creations are not problem.

[Qiaozhi]

What he is claiming is that trough resonance, an IR laser beam can be used to develop wave packets that undergo non destructive molecular resonance producing a characteristic electrical field.

These yields 'optical' activity in the IR band that can be seen trough a IR filter attached to a camera and enhanced with the algorithms of some photo editors.

I assume you meant to say "through" and not "trough". A trough is something that farmers used to feed animals ... but maybe "trough resonance" could makes sense, if it was filled with water. Although I'm not sure if any wave packets would undergo non destructive molecular resonance producing a characteristic electrical field.

[J_Player]

Around the good conductive item buried for long time are a kind of "cloud", but this "cloud" seems an electrical/magnetic field. In the air? Don't know. But around the buried item. When you dig the item you can't detect out anymore. While buried for several years, the "thing" that accompanies it "helps" the detection. Is the secondary effect, not only the metal per se. Ferrous terrain mask also this detection.

Last discovery made by an owner of pistol. On its field test was a sheet of newspaper (colour and B&W) and this masked the detection at distance. Seems that the compounds of different inks are a problem. But, of course, luckily, you not going to go around with newspaper scattered.

Hi Esteban,
Currently, your definition of what you call the "phenomenon" is not known to be made of ions, or to be in the air.
It is only known to be a "cloud" that seems an electrical/magnetic field around a buried item. Is this correct?

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

when a metallic object good conductor of heat and electricity are exposed to strong heat of the sun on a good day, this is detectable outside. Seems that emits "something"

This fact (thermionic emission) has already been used in the operation of electronic vacuum tubes (valves). Detecting is question of sensor vicinity and potential-energy barrier. Here can be more promising UV Scanner than IR LRL beamer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermionic_emission

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
Currently, your definition of what you call the "phenomenon" is not known to be made of ions, or to be in the air.
It is only known to be a "cloud" that seems an electrical/magnetic field around a buried item. Is this correct?

Best wishes,
J_P

This I think. But, can the migration (or micro-migration) of metalic particles and chemist action with soil contributes with it? Can be this a sort of ionic exchange?

[ivconic]

To Esteban and Hung;

now...i am following your explanations and one thing still not clear to me.

When you say that there is certain "echo" (or "distortion") phenomena around long time buried item , i am wandering does that phenomena come out from soil and it is detectable on soil surface.....OR
it is not coming out of soil, it stays in soil, respective to item size .
To make this question more clear, i draw simpified sketch to explain my question.
Sketch is presenting 1 gold coin at 1 meter depth in soil.
So...there is "echo" arround coin respective to coin size.
Case "A" is more logic to me (refering phenomena propagations) and if you agree on that than IR device SHOULD "penetrate" for 80cm's in soil to detect edge of phenomena. Right?
Case "B" is not so logic to me (refering phenomena propagations) and if you CLAIM this was the case than it is to expect IR device to detect phenomena on soil surface.

So...my question here is related to propagation of that phenomena ("echo", "hallo", "distortion"...);
What should be your explanation of phenomena propagation; case A or case B?
...
Because in many of your previous posts we could see claims about single coin detection at long distances (10,20,30 and more meters) and at high depths (1,2,3 and more meters).

So...if you were able to detect single coin at 1 meter depth than we have here two possible explanations;

1) LRL device can only detect phenomena on soil surface and it is propagated as on case B,

2) LRL device can detect phenomena IN soil no matter how wide and long phenomena was propagated arround buried coin. Case A.

So...i would like you to answer those questons a to explain your seeing of phenomena propagations..

Thanks in advance,
Regards!

[ivconic]

"...Case "B" is not so logic to me (refering phenomena propagations) and if you CLAIM this was the case than it is to expect IR device to detect phenomena on soil surface..."

It is not logic to me because i will rather support theory of phenomena propagation showed in case A.

It is more logic to expect phenomena propagation arround item to be concentric, and if we take this as ultimate TRUTH than single coin at 1 meter depth can "produce" phenomena ONLY IN LIMITED range...few cm's arround item surface and it can NOT REACH soil surface - no way! So further, if this is TRUE than your LRL MUST "penetrate" soil for 80cm's to detect edge of phenomena...
Agree?

[ivconic]

I also experienced existence of "phenomena" many times on real soils (sketch below). I can not explain what is going on, but , for example:
i detected coin at certain depth in soil. Than when dug and recovered, it can be detected in air barely to 2/3 of previous depth in soil.

But it is hard to beleive that such small item like single coin, buried at such large depth as 1 meter, can produce so strong phenomena to reach coil surface and become detectable on soil surface! You see my point?

So if this was true; than my conclusion is that your LRL device simply MUST be able to PENETRATE soil to some depths...
Right?

Either that....either i can conclude that all previous claims about single coin detection at large depths were LIES...

[J_Player]

This I think. But, can the migration (or micro-migration) of metalic particles and chemist action with soil contributes with it? Can be this a sort of ionic exchange?

I don't know.
I have never detected what you call the "phenomenon". The anomalies I know of where there are buried metals take different forms depending on the metal and the soil it is in as well as a few other influences. These anomalies can be measured with a number of different instruments. But I never saw any instrument shaped like a pistol with a large coil or a zahori detect soil with buried metal from a distance to the side more than about a half meter.

Of course, there is chemical action that releases metal ions from the metal surface if buried metal is corroding. But I have no way to know if this contributes to the phenomenon that you claim to detect at a distance from the side. Maybe if I knew exactly what electrical property of the "Phenomenon cloud" area you are detecting, I could provide some clue.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

all previous claims about single coin detection at large depths were LIES...

What else? Quasi-scientific LIES are bestseller, not comic LRL creations.