A patent to detect substances by infrared like Esteban used.

[Fred]

Funny, DR Hung appearing each time discussion gets interesting or constructive.
Then he ruins everything with the help o a few ridiculous declarations.
Is that to get the credits of the constructive discussion or just to kill it ?

[Qiaozhi]

Funny, DR Hung appearing each time discussion gets interesting or constructive.
Then he ruins everything with the help o a few ridiculous declarations.
Is that to get the credits of the constructive discussion or just to kill it ?

It's called debunkering.

[Esteban]

So your answer is YES on my question:

"..ARE YOU SAYING THAT 2cm SINGLE COIN, AT 75cm DEPTH IN SOIL, IS ABLE TO PRODUCE PHENOMENA DETECTABLE AT SOIL SURFACE WITH IR LRL?.."

So, actually YOU are saying that 2cm SINGLE COIN AT 75CM DEPTH IN SOIL is ABLE TO PRODUCE PHENOMENA DETECTABLE AT SOIL SURFACE WITH IR LRL !?

Right?

Your answer is YES, as we can see from your previous post.


THANK YOU ESTEBAN! THANK YOU for your answer!

Hell....what took you so long to give simple answer on such simple question???

Sheeeeshhh!

Why you're very inquisitive? You're Stavka soviet agent or what... eh?

I respond BEFORE you asked me. Sense parole.

[Esteban]

But not ionization due to infrared, because that simply cannot happen.

Also, according to HungScience, incident sunlight contains no infrared.

- Carl

I think this is another kind of "phenomenon", not the produced around item buried for many years. This happens another 2 times I remembered, so 3 times registered. With 3 different "principle" pistol: 1. fet input ionization Mineoro style (2 detectors in one: antenna and magnetic loop: absorption), 2. induction/balance + radio (like Morgan's posted) and 3. pure magnetic absorption type.

[detectoman]

one new form of detect field whit compass and ferrite

here i show other of my new design, this i called hibrid pistol 10, i find one rare form of field detection support, the fenomen ocurr when compass is in front and is in equal whit the two anten extension, then these came very sensitive and turn crazy how giroscope and change the orientation these is for distinct anten telescopic position, too exist interference whit function ferrite polarization, very strange
i have for these oscilator 433 mhz and too variable unijunction circuit, this is my new investigation in progress for 2010
these case is easy of make, only two container of vhs cassete, in middle wood for fix these, inside two baterias rechargeable square de toy of 9 volts via regulator 9 v. output this versatile

[Esteban]

"...what's wrong with using a HH1 PI detector that
has ten bucks worth of parts to find that quarter?..."

With all respect to Carl's geniallity and knowledge....but depth like 75cm on single coin is a way to much even for such nice and sensitive design like HH...
And not only HH.....75cm depth detection on a single coin is IMPOSSIBLE for any other kind of detector we know. Simply IMPOSSIBLE !!!

End of a story!

Remember only this. Alonso told me: "I don't understand why they put the man at Moon at 384,000 km of the Earth with all the implicances, but can't detect a single coin at 1 m depth". But maybe NASA knows how, but many others no. End of the history. Werner von Braun said: "We can lick gravity, but the paperwork's a bit tougher."

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban

I agree with you,i study the Phenomenon but for me its something electromagnetic,not ionic or other thing.
In my field test ,very often i do tests with PD ,and its obvious i get more distance with wet soil after the rain. So,the Pistoldetektor acts like a metal detector,with the advantage of more distance and sensitivity to noble metals.PD also foud iron when ring shape,old iron buckles,this also hapens with all metal detectors.
My question,when you talk about your PD BFO,more sensitive to Phenomenon,you mean the passive receiver inside the pistol,not the BFO,this you use only to pinpoint the object ,isnt it ???

Regards

Can be used for pinpointing and for distance detector. This BFO must be extremely stable, difficult to find a good schematic. But this work with radio receiver. You have 2 knobs. One for BFO zero and the other for sensibility of radio (volume).

[hung]

But maybe NASA knows how, but many others no.

They do Esteban, they do. Actually much more than that.

But assure yourself that in all parts of the world there are hidden 'little NASAs' that also hate publicity as well.
It's not USA exclusive anymore. Welcome to globalization...

[Esteban]

here i show other of my new design, this i called hibrid pistol 10, i find one rare form of field detection support, the fenomen ocurr when compass is in front and is in equal whit the two anten extension, then these came very sensitive and turn crazy how giroscope and change the orientation these is for distinct anten telescopic position, too exist interference whit function ferrite polarization, very strange
i have for these oscilator 433 mhz and too variable unijunction circuit, this is my new investigation in progress for 2010
these case is easy of make, only two container of vhs cassete, in middle wood for fix these, inside two baterias rechargeable square de toy of 9 volts via regulator 9 v. output this versatile

Hi Detectoman. Trying these "things" you can discover more.

[detectoman]

i have understand what an gold ring and everyvary aros, round or square, are easy for detection due, to: these is detected for old radiation electrician eventual phenomen, and too detect double further due because the ring is one little closed coil of big conductivity by be noble metal, and hig inductance for grosor, too the area of contamination whit fine sulphates ( aleationes ) disemined them are mineral, too the change of field of earth distorsion for buried object, and soil removed, other consistence in conjunt is an foint of distinct disturbances

[Esteban]

They do Esteban, they do. Actually much more than that.

But assure yourself that in all parts of the world there are hidden 'little NASAs' that also hate publicity as well.
It's not USA exclusive anymore. Welcome to globalization...

Yes. Since NASA and his men patent surveying aerial for track minerals...

[detectoman]

yes esteban i see the double anten put most directional and further the lines of lrl detection, they carry for most center, and shield the noises

[ivconic]

Funny, DR Hung appearing each time discussion gets interesting or constructive.
Then he ruins everything with the help o a few ridiculous declarations.
Is that to get the credits of the constructive discussion or just to kill it ?

Indeed it looks like that!


Hung's friendly efforts on Esteban's salvage from unpleasant situations are worth of real respect. And i do respect that.
BTW...i also respect Esteban. Despite his lunatic claims, that dude is real pal, pretty agile enthusiast and nice tempered character. Being member on these forums for long time i realized that Esteban is generaly pretty descent and good man. That's why i usually do talk with him half seriously on LRL subjects.
If we could ever meet, most probably we would be good friends, despite huge differences in our experiences.
Yet...i wouldn't be "me" if i would so easy forget and forgive this claim:

" ...2cm SINGLE COIN AT 75CM DEPTH IN SOIL is ABLE TO PRODUCE PHENOMENA DETECTABLE AT SOIL SURFACE WITH IR LRL !!!!!..."

Boooooooooooooooooooooooahahahahahahahahahahahah!

[J_Player]

Funny, DR Hung appearing each time discussion gets interesting or constructive.
Then he ruins everything with the help o a few ridiculous declarations.
Is that to get the credits of the constructive discussion or just to kill it ?

Do yo think his purpose is to disrupt people who are trying to learn through using facts? ...
Or could his purpose be to promote "HungScience"?

Consider the source of information where hung claims he was quoted out of context.
Let's see hung's whole post in it's original context:

Carl-NC wrote:
IR radiation strikes the surface of the soil, is converted to heat, which thermally conducts (poorly) through the soil.

This is wrong.
What strikes the earth are short waves. UVA,UVB and C.
But before they hit the earth's suface, a good portion is reflected back in the atmosphere.

Long waves in form of IR are released back FROM EARTH's surface 24 hours a day during the cooling process. So, there's no such thing as IR penetrating the soil or IR striking the surface of the earth.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...tml#msg2132437


And from hung's next post: ...This is a scientific fact.
Any meteorology book will teach you this".

Ummmm.... "...there's no such thing as IR penetrating the soil or IR striking the surface of the earth"?
Are we all supposed to act stupid now as if we believe this crap?
Doesn't everyone know that most of the solar energy that strikes the earth is IR and visible light, and less than 8% UV?

Does Dr. hung become upset when he sees people trying to figure things out by using facts?
Apparently neither science nor pseudoscience concepts served well to prove hung is a genius who leads a team of scientists to discover advanced secret methods to find fabulous treasures and coins from a mile away (or even to prove that he actually built something that works). Maybe something new was needed to promote himself to a position of high acclaim and esteem among the others who make forum posts:

HungScience!

In his collection of proclamations of HungScience principles, the esteemed
Dr. hung has accummulated a body of "HungScience facts" in his forum posts:

"Gold is the most powerful 'self defensive' metal when it comes to avoid any harm to its structure, such as rust, oxidation, etc. Its DNA produces a substance which coats the metal to fight against those 'threats'."
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=84058

This is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned".

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=41226

"Back to the Examiner’s concept, there’s a portion in ECE which I already mentioned which might explain how the magnetic fields produced by the unit even diminute might be working provided one gets free of the standard Maxwell Heaviside concept and maybe start to find some backup on the Aharonov-Bohm and the field and potential relationship..."
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63626

"If you navigate the internet correctly, you will find out how ALL scientific comunity in the world utilizes AIAS as basis for their research".

http://geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63185#post63185

"So, there's no such thing as IR penetrating the soil or IR striking the surface of the earth".

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,292891.msg2132437.html#msg2132437

These are just a few examples of "HungScience facts" posted by Dr. hung. I can cite pages of more "HungScience" diatribe that shows up in hung posts declaring principles that nobody has ever heard of except hung and members his "secret team". We see that HungScience is based on axioms that neither scientist or pseudoscientists try to promote.

So what is Dr. hung's point of trying to convince people here and at TNet that the earth is heated by the sun's UV, not IR from the sun? Why does he want us to think there is no such thing as IR striking the surface of the earth, and IR is only sent away when the earth is cooling? Could it be to prove he is smarter than Carl-NC, so we must ignore basic facts Carl points out, and believe only the science of Dr. hung?

One thing for sure... it's not science, and it's not even pseudoscience.
It's HungScience!

Hmmm.... maybe you are right...
It is pretty disruptive to interject HungScience into the middle of a serious discussion of actual facts and scientific principles.

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Ivconic,


Be sure that your amazement in your quote is proportional to your complete unwareness about the subsoil phenomena. This is evidently true according your posts.

Esteban is right and whoever has deeply studied the so called 'phenomena' knows (not believes) about it.
A gold object, the deeper it's buried and the longer it's remained under the ground, will produce a 'detectable field' many, many times its size. The 2 cm gold coin in your example, if the right conditions above are met, can exhibit a field up to 100 times or more its own size.

I will not go deeper in this subject because most of this is classified matter and I CHOOSE not to give all details. So I ask you to respect that.

Gold, copper,silver, the noble metals present different formations than ferrous ones and their atoms are 'linked' by an electron cloud type pattern. When they are buried for a long time they end up presenting different electric and magnetic properties from the surrounding terrain. Ferrous metals with the passing years do not produce relevant fields. But noble metals do produce an intense electromagnetic field, being gold the greatest of all.
To understand how this happens, you have to understand some concepts as 'deformed wave' and 'induced wave'.
The first one behaves as an electron when trespassing an electric or magnetic field. Its trajectory is 'changed' in the direction of those fields. Being proportional to their intensity, so that its trajectory becomes 'curved'.
The induced field is even more important. In physics, induction is to estabilish an electric current, producing a near current. Electric induction is the electric redistribution in a conductor when positioned in an electric field. EM induction is the electric current production by variation of the induced flux, generating an EMF induced in a circuit, according to the variation of current intensity in other circuit.
The fields produced by buried gold have the widest span in terms os 'aperture' which reaches abour 120 to 150 degrees.

I ask you: Do diamagnetic and paramagnetic materials create electric and magnetic fields?

Ivconic, I am making an exception to you who I think altough 'skepthic' as the notorious ones here, you are not quite like the others. You have a considerable techical background and you are independent thinking. Different from some Carl's followers here who keep following the old, and I should say deteriorated scientific agenda trying with this have the least 'support' to evidence why long range locating of metals 'cannot be possible'. This is pathetic.
If you just go to TNet you will see that each day, Carl has less and less credibility there with the LRL users. And this is really good. Good because people are awakening from the pretense that 'science' does not back up LRLs. This fallacy will tend to die in the shortest time possible until it will be vanished.
I don't like to discuss scientific facts in forums, specially this one because I know there's a lot of 'outsiders' who we might know what their intentions are and also because many skeptics follow the wikipedia type science.
Please, I'm not saying that I know more than anyone else here. Please, no.
I'm just saying that it's very hard to discuss or argue with somebody who can't have the ability to think beyond the concepts they learn in high school.
Science is passing everyday to new revisions, interpretations and new data. People should be exactly like that if they want to evolve.
Regards.