Electronic dowsing rod

[J_Player]

What tests should I do; I can see in detail what would happen if I try; to do this test; I get that I will stick;

You must perform the test in front of witnesses from the JREF organization.
They will have someone hide the target for you to find.
Here is the information to take the test: http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
See here for a sample of dowsing test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOsCnX-TKIY

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,

There is not a better way to be certain that dowsing or any other locating method works than to administer a test to prove it works.
If dowsing cannot be shown to pass a simple test the same as any metal detector, then why should people believe it works?
The reason why the Randi test is a good test is because nobody can use any tricks to make it a fake test.
Believer and non-believer are prevented from making fake videos or hidden oscillators.
Any cheap metal detector can pass this test, even if the person using the metal detector does not believe the metal detector will work.
This is because nobody can cheat in this test.

It is possible for any person who can dowse without making mistakes to win the $1 million.
People who were tested to see if they can find hidden targets using electronic locators and dowsing were videotaped...
and the videotape showed they could not find the location of the hidden treasure, except by the same chance as guessing with no dowsing.
If you are sure you can dowse, then you could take the test and win the $1 million for yourself. But if your dowsing does not work well enough for testing like a metal detector does, then you will not win the $1 million.
But even if your dowsing does not work for testing, you can still use it for treasure hunting. Nobody will stop you except maybe government officials who don't want you to hunt treasures.

If your dowsing really works.... why not take the test to prove it and take home the $1 million?
You don't like $1 million?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
My dowsing works but i never said that i am the best!!!. I wrote that if i have success of 20% or 30% is very good if you are looking for a big treasure.
You compared the dowsing with a simple metal detector. OK, i will compare it with the best metal detector. Wich metal detector can find a coin at one kilometer far???? who is the best metal detector????. All are scrap.
In the video watch psychological pressure had an interviewee;;;; Is also a factor in weight of the test.
But if Randy is interesting for the truth about the dowsing why he don't travel at some countries to do the test and to see the truth???? He will leave no money.

Regards

[Geo]

γιωργο θα κανουμε αποστολη με την ελληνικη σημαια?
i dont need stick i have something better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FcvH..._order&list=UL

H διαδικασια ειναι τοσο επιπονη και απαιτουνται τοσα εξοδα που δεν αξιζει να το σκεφτεσαι.

[Saturna]

Hi J_P.
Which metal detector can find a coin at one kilometer far????

No MD user or MD manufacturer has ever made the claim that their machine will locate items at that distance.

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
My dowsing works but i never said that i am the best!!!. I wrote that if i have success of 20% or 30% is very good if you are looking for a big treasure.
You compared the dowsing with a simple metal detector. OK, i will compare it with the best metal detector. Wich metal detector can find a coin at one kilometer far???? who is the best metal detector????. All are scrap.
In the video watch psychological pressure had an interviewee;;;; Is also a factor in weight of the test.
But if Randy is interesting for the truth about the dowsing why he don't travel at some countries to do the test and to see the truth???? He will leave no money.

Regards

Hi Geo,
20-30% is not good enough. If you need to know which of 2 locations the treasure is hidden, then plain guessing will give you 50% correct.... much better than 20-30% from dowsing.
So guessing or flip a coin will give better results than your dowsing.
If you want to win the $1 million prize you must perform better than guessing, not worse than guessing.

In Carl's test, he will pay you the $25,000 prize if you can dowse the correct location from 10 possible locations.
You must repeat the test, and continue to get the correct location.
If you can find the correct location of the treasure 7 times from 10 trials, then you will win the $25,000 prize.
And you know Carl-NC will pay the prize if you win.... already you won the White's metal detector and he sent it to you.

Randi did travel to many countries to find the truth of dowsing. What he finds is nobody can dowse to show what they find better than guessing.

You will see Randi held dowsing tests for water, for gold, and for brass. The best dowsers in Australia came to show how well they could dowse. Randi and two other skeptics were there who had a prize of $30,000 for any dowser who could show their dowsing works. Before the test was started, a fourth skeptic added more money to make the prize $40,000. The best dowsers in Australia were not able to dowse better than guessing.
See the dowsers try to find the water and the gold here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7461912885649996034#

Maybe you can try this test to see if you are able to find the hidden gold or find which pipe has water.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.
I think that you do not have understood .
When i wrote about 20% or 30% success i don't mean for pinpoint.....
I wrote for locating a big treasures from long distance, so how many treasure there are together so i to have two or more signals and to decide to locate the true????
The place where the LRods will indicate me will have a object 100% but it is not always what i am looking for. Here is the problem.
If Carl was in Greece then I would do the test, but USA is far away.
Now about the Randy .... there is no way to get a test in the presence because it become too crowded so that psychological stress is large enough.
I don't need to do the Randy's test so to find hidden gold. The best test is the field and there i have more findings

Regards

[Geo]

No MD user or MD manufacturer has ever made the claim that their machine will locate items at that distance.

I know it.
Serious manufacturers don't say anything about the depth. So, MD are as i wrote.... only for coins at beaches, for nothing else!!!.
When you are looking for coins at a beach then i agree with all of you that the MD's are a better choise than a dowsing method. But idf you are looking for a treasure at a mountain then it is better to let the MD at home!!!

[taxma1981]

γιωργο κ τι τεστ κανεις εκει?σε στουντιο η εξω?

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
I think that you do not have understood .
When i wrote about 20% or 30% success i don't mean for pinpoint.....
I wrote for locating a big treasures from long distance, so how many treasure there are together so i to have two or more signals and to decide to locate the true????
The place where the LRods will indicate me will have a object 100% but it is not always what i am looking for. Here is the problem.
If Carl was in Greece then I would do the test, but USA is far away.
Now about the Randy .... there is no way to get a test in the presence because it become too crowded so that psychological stress is large enough.
I don't need to do the Randy's test so to find hidden gold. The best test is the field and there i have more findings

Regards

Hi Geo,
I understand exactly.
you say you have 20% or 30% success for locating a big treasure from long distance, but you cannot pinpoint the large treasure. You will use a metal detector to pinpoint it.
I can tell you that Carl and Randi will not give you the prize if you cannot tell which location the target is when you use a metal detector to pinpoint it.

Something else I can tell you... I also can locate treasures long distance but not pinpoint. Except I can locate coins, not big treasures.
When I go to the beach, I can use the "guess method" to know there are at least 5 coins in the sand to be found in any direction where I "guess" the coins are located.
And every time when I take a metal detector in that direction to verify my "guess" method of long range locating is really working, I pinpoint more than 5 coins in the sand and recover them.
Some of these coins were recovered up to a mile distance from where I made the "guess" of their location!
I have better than 97% success with my "guess" method of long range locating coins at the beach.
My "guess" technique of long range locating really works. Anyone can come and see, and even make videos to prove it really is working.
I think you will be able to record 100% success on your videos of me recovering coins where I make "guesses" which direction the coins are located at the sand at the beaches.

I can also use my "guess" locating method to determine that there is a metal target hidden somewhere in Randi's test field, then use a metal detector to pinpoint the metal target.
And I know Randi will not pay me the $1 million prize if I prove my "guess" locating method is working, because he will say I used a metal detector to pinpoint.
But also, he will not pay the $1 million prize if you prove your dowsing works because you also use a metal detector to pinpoint.
Randi will conclude that your dowsing is not better than my guessing for finding which location he hid the target.

Another thing I can do is to locate big treasures at long distance from "guessing".
I can locate a big treasure at 100 miles or more with only my "guessing" method.
I was 120 miles distance from the city of Los Angeles last week and I guessed there is a large treasure in the direction of Los Angeles.
I later confirmed that there is are many big treasures in Los Angeles area when I discovered there are many banks that keep safe deposit boxes full of treasures,
I also discovered there are many jewelry stores in Los Angeles, and there are also museums that have excellent collectible treasures on display....

http://www.getty.edu/museum/

http://www.lacma.org/art/Lucknow.aspx

So you can see my "guessing" method for long range locating is also working with very good percentage like your dowsing method.
Of course, not everyone can guess as well as I can, but when I have the proper mental conditions with no stress, I can get 100% success at locating treasures from long distance.
And same as dowsing, I need a metal detector for pinpointing. And also same as dowsing, I cannot win any big prize for "guessing" method.
But I will be happy to use "guessing" method for my treasure hunts, same as you are happy to use dowsing for your treasure hunts.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
I understand exactly.
you say you have 20% or 30% success for locating a big treasure from long distance, but you cannot pinpoint the large treasure. You will use a metal detector to pinpoint it.
I can tell you that Carl and Randi will not give you the prize if you cannot tell which location the target is when you use a metal detector to pinpoint it.

Something else I can tell you... I also can locate treasures long distance but not pinpoint. Except I can locate coins, not big treasures.
When I go to the beach, I can use the "guess method" to know there are at least 5 coins in the sand to be found in any direction where I "guess" the coins are located.
And every time when I take a metal detector in that direction to verify my "guess" method of long range locating is really working, I pinpoint more than 5 coins in the sand and recover them.
Some of these coins were recovered up to a mile distance from where I made the "guess" of their location!
I have better than 97% success with my "guess" method of long range locating coins at the beach.
My "guess" technique of long range locating really works. Anyone can come and see, and even make videos to prove it really is working.
I think you will be able to record 100% success on your videos of me recovering coins where I make "guesses" which direction the coins are located at the sand at the beaches.

I can also use my "guess" locating method to determine that there is a metal target hidden somewhere in Randi's test field, then use a metal detector to pinpoint the metal target.
And I know Randi will not pay me the $1 million prize if I prove my "guess" locating method is working, because he will say I used a metal detector to pinpoint.
But also, he will not pay the $1 million prize if you prove your dowsing works because you also use a metal detector to pinpoint.
Randi will conclude that your dowsing is not better than my guessing for finding which location he hid the target.

Another thing I can do is to locate big treasures at long distance from "guessing".
I can locate a big treasure at 100 miles or more with only my "guessing" method.
I was 120 miles distance from the city of Los Angeles last week and I guessed there is a large treasure in the direction of Los Angeles.
I later confirmed that there is are many big treasures in Los Angeles area when I discovered there are many banks that keep safe deposit boxes full of treasures,
I also discovered there are many jewelry stores in Los Angeles, and there are also museums that have excellent collectible treasures on display....

http://www.getty.edu/museum/

http://www.lacma.org/art/Lucknow.aspx

So you can see my "guessing" method for long range locating is also working with very good percentage like your dowsing method.
Of course, not everyone can guess as well as I can, but when I have the proper mental conditions with no stress, I can get 100% success at locating treasures from long distance.
And same as dowsing, I need a metal detector for pinpointing. And also same as dowsing, I cannot win any big prize for "guessing" method.
But I will be happy to use "guessing" method for my treasure hunts, same as you are happy to use dowsing for your treasure hunts.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
If you don't "play", then the problem is my "Bad English".
You have the tention to understand the oposite....., sorry.

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
If you don't "play", then the problem is my "Bad English".
You have the tention to understand the oposite....., sorry.

Regards

Hi Geo,
I don't know what is "to play" or what is "tention to understand the oposite".
But I know I can show success to find coins on the beach at long distance equal or better than the best dowsing experts from Greece and from other countries when I use my "guess" method for long range locating.
I can also locate large treasures from extreme long distance using my "guess" method to locate very large treasures from more than 100 miles.
I can prove this in the same manner you can prove your dowsing works 20-30% success.
Only difference is my "guess" method will show better than 90% success.
I believe your dowsing works same as I believe my guessing works.
And I believe Randi and Carl-NC will not pay prize money when we demonstrate our success with dowsing or guessing.
I believe they will pay prize money only when we pass their tests.
My guessing cannot pass their test, and I think your dowsing cannot pass their test.
They will pay prize money only when we can tell which exact numbered location they hid the treasure, and they will not allow us to use a metal detector for pinpointing.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Götz von Berlichingen]

Yeah, sure, lets wind a Coil on stainless Steel.
Let me spell it for you: B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.
Any further Questions ?

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
I don't know what is "to play" or what is "tention to understand the oposite".
But I know I can show success to find coins on the beach at long distance equal or better than the best dowsing experts from Greece and from other countries when I use my "guess" method for long range locating.
I can also locate large treasures from extreme long distance using my "guess" method to locate very large treasures from more than 100 miles.
I can prove this in the same manner you can prove your dowsing works 20-30% success.
Only difference is my "guess" method will show better than 90% success.
I believe your dowsing works same as I believe my guessing works.
And I believe Randi and Carl-NC will not pay prize money when we demonstrate our success with dowsing or guessing.
I believe they will pay prize money only when we pass their tests.
My guessing cannot pass their test, and I think your dowsing cannot pass their test.
They will pay prize money only when we can tell which exact numbered location they hid the treasure, and they will not allow us to use a metal detector for pinpointing.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
I say that you understand the oposite from what i write or i mean!!!!.
I say that at beaches the success is big (near to 100%) but there is not reason to play with dowsing. A metal detector is enough for coins because they are only 5... 20cm inside the sand. But at the mountains when i am looking for big treasure then 20 or 30% is OK.
I am not interesting for the Carl's money because i like him.
Remember when Esteban said to come for the test......, so forget it!!!!
I will tell you for another time.. you never saw a real dowsing man and for this reason you write what you write.

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
I say that you understand the oposite from what i write or i mean!!!!.
I say that at beaches the success is big (near to 100%) but there is not reason to play with dowsing. A metal detector is enough for coins because they are only 5... 20cm inside the sand. But at the mountains when i am looking for big treasure then 20 or 30% is OK.
I am not interesting for the Carl's money because i like him.
Remember when Esteban said to come for the test......, so forget it!!!!
I will tell you for another time.. you never saw a real dowsing man and for this reason you write what you write.

Regards

Hi Geo,
You are wrong.
I saw a real dowsing man who is a good friend.
This man was an astrophysicist who used dowsing to find gold nuggets in California, Alaska, Mexico, and many other places.
But he did not use a metal detector for pinpointing. He used only dowsing to recover gold nuggets.
I know what it looks like when a person is dowsing.
And I can tell you that my "guess" method to locate buried coins at the beach is much easier than dowsing, and it gives better success rate.
This is a fact!

You can come to my beach and show your dowsing... at the same time I will show my guessing...
I will guess the exact direction to look for buried coins in less than 2 seconds and I will guarantee that you will find at least 5 coins in the direction that I guess.
How long will it take for you to dowse for the same success as I can find in 2 seconds?

I can also guess the exact direction to find very large treasures located more than 100 miles distance...
How long will it take for you to dowse to find these same treasures?

I can also use my guess method in the mountains.
I was able to locate a very large iron deposit when I was in the mountains at 5300 feet altitude (1.6Km altitude).
The center of this large iron deposit was located about 4000 miles distance from where I was standing when I made my guess, and it is the largest iron deposit contained on the planet earth.
I cannot prove this by recovering all the iron, but I have read that scientists also agree the iron is located in the same place where I located it by my guess method, and they also say it is the largest iron deposit contained on the planet earth. So I am thinking my guess method works very well in the mountains.

I think my guessing is a more efficient method to locate treasures at long range than your dowsing.
Maybe if you practice more, then you will be able to dowse better than I can guess.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
You are wrong.
I saw a real dowsing man who is a good friend.
This man was an astrophysicist who used dowsing to find gold nuggets in California, Alaska, Mexico, and many other places.
But he did not use a metal detector for pinpointing. He used only dowsing to recover gold nuggets.
I know what it looks like when a person is dowsing.
And I can tell you that my "guess" method to locate buried coins at the beach is much easier than dowsing, and it gives better success rate.
This is a fact!

You can come to my beach and show your dowsing... at the same time I will show my guessing...
I will guess the exact direction to look for buried coins in less than 2 seconds and I will guarantee that you will find at least 5 coins in the direction that I guess.
How long will it take for you to dowse for the same success as I can find in 2 seconds?

I can also guess the exact direction to find very large treasures located more than 100 miles distance...
How long will it take for you to dowse to find these same treasures?

I can also use my guess method in the mountains.
I was able to locate a very large iron deposit when I was in the mountains at 5300 feet altitude (1.6Km altitude).
The center of this large iron deposit was located about 4000 miles distance from where I was standing when I made my guess, and it is the largest iron deposit contained on the planet earth.
I cannot prove this by recovering all the iron, but I have read that scientists also agree the iron is located in the same place where I located it by my guess method, and they also say it is the largest iron deposit contained on the planet earth. So I am thinking my guess method works very well in the mountains.

I think my guessing is a more efficient method to locate treasures at long range than your dowsing.
Maybe if you practice more, then you will be able to dowse better than I can guess.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
I never told that i am better than your friend.
My friend who teached me the dowsing don't use metal detector, only the lrods.
Now about "guess".... it is not a good idea me to come to your beach to see your method. I think it is better solution you to came at Greece to locate a big treasure and to take the half. So you will gain the half treasure, the travel to Greece and one friend, me!!!

Regards