Does water conduct electricity?

[Ernie]

I'm just wanting to try and start an explanation of L rod movement.
Most L rod uses claim that they can find water. Yes/No?
So assuming Yes then does water conduct electricity? Yes/No?
From chemistry i've learnt that pure water (H20) (rainwater) cannot conduct electricity and therefor will have no magnetic fields but will be acted upon by gravity and so will have a weight. Yes/No?
But pure H2O very rarely exists below the ground in nature? And so H2O will have other conductive elements held in it as a suspended solution? Yes/No?
So an underground stream carrying conductive minerals such as gold will act as a type of conductor that can have a potential difference along its course? Yes/No?.
If the underground stream has potential and current flow then it should also have a magnetic field. Yes/No.?
If a gold element with a potential (amount) of energy (ability to do work) and a weight caused by a gravity force, travels down a hill stream to the ocean does it still have the same potential energy and weight? Yes/No?.
If No where did the difference in energy go?
If it was transfered into a strong magnetic energy or strong gravity force / weight enrgy in the stream can I detect it?
happy prospecting
Ernie

[Qiaozhi]

I'm just wanting to try and start an explanation of L rod movement.
Most L rod uses claim that they can find water. Yes/No?

The answer to your first question is "no" ... so the other questions are pointless.

The explanation of L-rod movement is the ideomotor effect. It's quite simply a trick of the mind.

Read it and weep ->
http://sites.google.com/site/dowsingtruth/

[hung]

The explanation of L-rod movement is the ideomotor effect. It's quite simply a trick of the mind.

Your statement is plain wrong, not to say it's a real stupidity.

Whenever you try to mislead people here on this subject, I will try to show up to avoid this might happen.

For those who want to know this info and others related to this subject, visit dowsing forums such as the dowsing section in the TNET forum. You will have plenty of material to learn about this subject. This forum does not cover dowsing.

[Geo]

The answer to your first question is "no" ... so the other questions are pointless.

The explanation of L-rod movement is the ideomotor effect. It's quite simply a trick of the mind.

Read it and weep ->
http://sites.google.com/site/dowsingtruth/

Hi Qiaozhi.
Really you never saw any dowser user to find water with Lrods???? It is the only easy and there are million of persons that can locate water with 100% success!!!

[Fred]

For those who want to know this info and others related to this subject, visit dowsing forums such as the dowsing section in the TNET forum.

You will also need to be narrow-minded.
It´s just like going into church to learn the truth about a religion.

[Fred]

Hi Qiaozhi.
Really you never saw any dowser user to find water with Lrods???? It is the only easy and there are million of persons that can locate water with 100% success!!!

If i may, Qiaozhi is not saying someone with l-rods cannot find water, he is just saying that it is not the L-rods that are detecting the water.

[Qiaozhi]

Your statement is plain wrong, not to say it's a real stupidity.

Whenever you try to mislead people here on this subject, I will try to show up to avoid this might happen.

For those who want to know this info and others related to this subject, visit dowsing forums such as the dowsing section in the TNET forum. You will have plenty of material to learn about this subject. This forum does not cover dowsing.

Is this what you call debunkering.

The ideomotor effect is so compelling to those with a pseudo-scientific mindset, that it's no wonder you are confused.
Even with all the hard evidence against dowsing, you still persist in promoting this medieval nonsense. Please stay on the dowsing forums where you can blissfully remain unaware of the real world, and indulge your penchant for fairytales.

As you rightly said, "This forum does not cover dowsing."
This may be the only true fact you have ever posted here.

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Qiaozhi.
Really you never saw any dowser user to find water with Lrods???? It is the only easy and there are million of persons that can locate water with 100% success!!!

If i may, Qiaozhi is not saying someone with l-rods cannot find water, he is just saying that it is not the L-rods that are detecting the water.

Thanks Fred. That's absolutely what I am saying.

[Qiaozhi]

Most L rod uses claim that they can find water. Yes/No?

In retrospect, I suppose I should have answered "yes" ... but they are deluded.

[Ernie]

So far! So good

Thanks for the input so far. This is a bit like building a family tree. So far Hung wants to plant a seed but dislikes the ground we’re wanting to plant in. So has taken his seed elsewhere to grow and may possibly return at a later date with a cutting to show us, hopefully his tree won’t die and have to be recycled at a later date for firewood. Quiaozhi’s tree almost died from dehydration, “You can lead a camel to water but you can’t make it drink”, thank goodness he decided to accept a drink of water at the last minute and keep growing.
So far we can conclude that out of 100% of the population A% cannot use the dowsing method to find water, B% can use the dowsing method to find water and c% say dowsing what's that? I am interested in the B% that claim they can and what possible forces (gravity/magnetic, etc) could explain this so that i can concentrate on building a real life remote sensing machine, the subject of which, is covered in this forum/thread. Out of the B% I would also agree that 100% of the B% of the population can use the divining method for finding water and so now to question number 2 for my tree.
No.2 - Does water conduct electricity?
happy prospecting
Ernie

[Geo]

If i may, Qiaozhi is not saying someone with l-rods cannot find water, he is just saying that it is not the L-rods that are detecting the water.

Hi Fred.
Don't play with the words.
Ernie wrote "Most L rod uses claim that they can find water. Yes/No?"
and Qiaozhi answered
"The answer to your first question is "no"".
So, what Qiaozhi said?????
Regards

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Fred.
Don't play with the words.
Ernie wrote "Most L rod uses claim that they can find water. Yes/No?"
and Qiaozhi answered
"The answer to your first question is "no"".
So, what Qiaozhi said?????
Regards

My meaning was simply that L-rods do not detect anything but gravity.
However, later I re-read the question, and answered as follows:

In retrospect, I suppose I should have answered "yes" ... but they are deluded.

The question was not asking whether L-rods work, just whether the L-rod users believed in their delusion or not. Of course, the answer is that most L-rod users do have an unshakable belief in their dowsing abilities. Such is the power of self-delusion and selective memory. Target location using dowsing is linked to psychology, not physics.

[J_Player]

Thanks for the input so far. This is a bit like building a family tree. So far Hung wants to plant a seed but dislikes the ground we’re wanting to plant in. So has taken his seed elsewhere to grow and may possibly return at a later date with a cutting to show us, hopefully his tree won’t die and have to be recycled at a later date for firewood. Quiaozhi’s tree almost died from dehydration, “You can lead a camel to water but you can’t make it drink”, thank goodness he decided to accept a drink of water at the last minute and keep growing.
So far we can conclude that out of 100% of the population A% cannot use the dowsing method to find water, B% can use the dowsing method to find water and c% say dowsing what's that? I am interested in the B% that claim they can and what possible forces (gravity/magnetic, etc) could explain this so that i can concentrate on building a real life remote sensing machine, the subject of which, is covered in this forum/thread. Out of the B% I would also agree that 100% of the B% of the population can use the divining method for finding water and so now to question number 2 for my tree.
No.2 - Does water conduct electricity?
happy prospecting
Ernie

Hmmm... Interesting point of view.
I think I would get on the camel and ride him away from where the trees are planted until I arrive at the local pub where I can quench my thirst without relying on digging a questionable hole.

To answer your question No.2, no... water does not conduct electricity. But things dissolved in water can. I suspect most ground water has a lot of stuff dissolved in it, and would be somewhat conductive, but not as conductive as copper wire.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

So far we can conclude that out of 100% of the population A% cannot use the dowsing method to find water, B% can use the dowsing method to find water and c% say dowsing what's that?

In fact, you cannot arrive at such a conclusion ... unless you are also self-deluded.

The reality is that 100% of the population are unable to use dowsing to locate water. Note that this is subtly different to saying that dowsers have never been successful, as even a blind man on a dark foggy night can sometimes find water.

You should really be saying that B% of the population believe they can use the dowsing method to find water. You are currently making an erroneous assumption. As I stated previously, the other questions are pointless.

[mts]

The problem with all of this is that in the end you are going to make some giant leap to assuming that L-rods can detect magnetic or electrical fields which they cannot. Hung will no doubtedly come back on me and declare me to be an idiot and then throw a bunch of unfounded pseudoscience at me that simply doesn't make any sense. In the end we'll be right back where we started from.

So I applaud the effort, but the end result will be the same. The believers will continue believing and the skeptics will shake their heads in amazement.