What similarity ?, what differences ?

[Morgan]

ICONOS

Hi FrankoItaly
Yes , my intention was this system "Absorption type PD with transmitter ."
Thanks for your opinion , as there are some LRL expert here , maybe didn't
Like saying more in the matter , any way …… .
Best regards.

I supose the ICONOS is also Absorption LRL with RX/TX ,only the gold sample is in diferent position for better resonance.

[Esteban]

I supose the ICONOS is also Absorption LRL with RX/TX ,only the gold sample is in diferent position for better resonance.



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This pic aren't Iconos...

[Morgan]

ICONOS

This pic aren't Iconos...

Maybe this one...

[Morgan]

ICONOS

This pic aren't Iconos...

I see you know very well each part of the ICONOS...

Can you show better resonating chamber to adapt in this LRL ?

Regards

[aft_72005]

Hi Morgan
Yes, I know dch85 . are you know "what is transmitter working frequency" ?
Other thing, the blue coil housing isn’t dch85 , it is pistol
Detector which built by Esteban .
Best regards .

[Esteban]

I see you know very well each part of the ICONOS...

Can you show better resonating chamber to adapt in this LRL ?

Regards

Mmmmm!!!! The resonating chamber is OK. Improve electronics? Maybe, always can be improved.

[FrancoItaly]

Some considerations on Iconos' pic

Hi All
1- 4 wires to head, red= +power, black= -power, the others not shielded then DC signals, one perhaps = V/2 power.
2- Tr coil it has many turns, then the frequency may be 1 Mhz, to the
maximum.
3- In appearance it seems that there isn't a Rx coil and the ionic sensor, located near and out of Tx coil, it's the only generator for Rx signal.
4- The loop around the head, with a single turn, it's tuned with small inductor e capacitor, then his resonating frequency is at
least 10 Mhz or more, surely a harmonic frequency of Tx stage.
5- The loop it is connected with nothing but a change in inductance
or a change in the surround electric/magnetic fields it
may change some parameters in Tx coil or in the sensor.
6- There are few electronic components, surely a transistor oscillator for Tx coil, a sensor amplifier and a germanium diode (high frequency rectifier) and IC (a DC amplifier).
Some other ideas?
Best Regards

[Esteban]

Hi All
1- 4 wires to head, red= +power, black= -power, the others not shielded then DC signals, one perhaps = V/2 power.
2- Tr coil it has many turns, then the frequency may be 1 Mhz, to the
maximum.
3- In appearance it seems that there isn't a Rx coil and the ionic sensor, located near and out of Tx coil, it's the only generator for Rx signal.
4- The loop around the head, with a single turn, it's tuned with small inductor e capacitor, then his resonating frequency is at
least 10 Mhz or more, surely a harmonic frequency of Tx stage.
5- The loop it is connected with nothing but a change in inductance
or a change in the surround electric/magnetic fields it
may change some parameters in Tx coil or in the sensor.
6- There are few electronic components, surely a transistor oscillator for Tx coil, a sensor amplifier and a germanium diode (high frequency rectifier) and IC (a DC amplifier).
Some other ideas?
Best Regards

The circuitry you can see in pics is only a part. There are main PCB into pistol box.

About point 5. the tune coil connected with nothing is an accelerator of the detection. This is not critic. The accelerator was discovered by Alonso and Toto Coronel in 1959, 60 or 61, don't remember very well. When detector use this, we say: "Totorized".

[Morgan]

DCH 85

Hi Morgan
Yes, I know dch85 . are you know "what is transmitter working frequency" ?
Other thing, the blue coil housing isn’t dch85 , it is pistol
Detector which built by Esteban .
Best regards .

Well,this one build by Esteban works more sensitive than DCH 85 Mineoro.

No,i dont know the frequencies...

[FrancoItaly]

Hi Esteban
Surely there are many other PCB, but the heart it's the head with coils, the other circuits I think they work with DC signal, perhaps there is only a coil, the Tx coil, or other ferrite coils in the control box?
You say that the loop is not critic but it's surely tuned.
Best Regards

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban
Surely there are many other PCB, but the heart it's the head with coils, the other circuits I think they work with DC signal, perhaps there is only a coil, the Tx coil, or other ferrite coils in the control box?
You say that the loop is not critic but it's surely tuned.
Best Regards

There are not TX in this machine, except the stimulator coil for the loop.

[FrancoItaly]

Hi Esteban
For Tx I mean a oscillator that drives a coil and then there is a magnetic field near the instrument. I think that it's necessary to have a stable Rx signal with a single operative frequency.
Best Regards

[Morgan]

Resonating chamber

Hi Esteban
For Tx I mean a oscillator that drives a coil and then there is a magnetic field near the instrument. I think that it's necessary to have a stable Rx signal with a single operative frequency.
Best Regards

What you are studing and discovering now,was done sucessful by Damasio and Alonso long time ago...

[FrancoItaly]

Hi Morgan
I do not expect to discover nothing, I want only to realize a working lrl and for this purpose I try to understand the operation principles. I have much respect to Alonso, Damasio and also to Esteban, that he has introduced us to lrl'world
Best Regards

[Morgan]

Damasio and the Mineoro

Hi Morgan
I do not expect to discover nothing, I want only to realize a working lrl and for this purpose I try to understand the operation principles. I have much respect to Alonso, Damasio and also to Esteban, that he has introduced us to lrl'world
Best Regards

When i was visiting Mineoro in Brazil,Damasio gave me one book about his studing and LRL discoverie,the book "Fenomenos do sub-solo,experiencias com ouro e prata" this book teach a lot,maybe you can get one of this in english traduction...
In this book he explain how the precious metals create electromagnetic fields when underground many years,and what kind of devices can detect them and the real distances,METERS NOT KILOMETERS

Regards