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finaly this iconos not working at all? the owners want to add there axpierience?
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Iconos
Originally posted by takhslambos View Post
How you know the ICONOS not work as LRL ? Do you already try this LRL in your treasure place ?
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i dont now i m asking.i m thinking to bay one iconos.is someone now who is sell it?Comment
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Originally posted by takhslambos View Post
Yes,the ICONOS is your best choice,please buy one in your country Greece
I think is very cheap LRL ...Comment
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is someone else found something whith iconos or dch85m?Comment
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what do you mean that iconos is my best choise?is the best PD you ever test it?Comment
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@ takhslambos
Where can you still buy this device and what's the price?
I found out this info here
and that their formerly page no longer exists:
and here 2 years ago a customer from china was very unsatisfied:
@ Geo
If you read this can you tell us more about the Iconos and if it's possible to test this device also in air?Morgan wrote: According Geo,he found one gold fragment 4 m distance... I think he not lie to this forum.
I wonder why it's fixed to "gold only" - I don't hope because long time buried gold is so seldom almost noone can prove if the unit really works? Would be much better if it's able to select between different metals.Comment
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ICONOS
Originally posted by Funfinder View Post@ takhslambos
Where can you still buy this device and what's the price?
I found out this info here
and that their formerly page no longer exists:
and here 2 years ago a customer from china was very unsatisfied:
@ Geo
If you read this can you tell us more about the Iconos and if it's possible to test this device also in air?
I wonder why it's fixed to "gold only" - I don't hope because long time buried gold is so seldom almost noone can prove if the unit really works? Would be much better if it's able to select between different metals.
WHAT IS ICONOS ???
Long Range Locator,work electromagnetic resonance,head with Gold sample.The same is MINEORO DCH 85.
Some people buy this devices and want to find treasure in the garden,very funny,if not find,they become unappy...This need a lot of expeditions and tests,and probably in 500 places can be found one treasure.
About distances,this LRL´s can found treasure 80 meters,and gold coin (with sparzed signals) not more than 10 meters,always need metal detector for pinpoint. The great distances they put in their sites are ILUSION.
I not give advice here for people by this expensive detectors,i say better try to build similar device with low cost price (see my threads )and try in the fields,results will be the same.
Regards
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Hi Morgan,
Thanx for the answer. It is great that you have tested and selfmade such ionic detectors but there are some points generally very mysterious:
@ "Mineoro FG79 Price?" in Post #7 from 2008 you've been totally against them:
Is this because those devices doesn't work outside of Brazil - not in equation with different ionic-fields or something? If so, is there a Mineoro Model that works everywhere and do you still have some to sell?
Next:
@ LRL Ionic/Electrostatic energy field locator Page 5
hung in post #116 wrote:
Yesterday I saw at:The PDC project and the latest models are many times more powerful than the DCH. The DCH needed almost 100% of ionic emanations to detect. The PDC only 50%.
Testing both of them a couple of years ago in a ancient gold target, the PDC beeped clearly at 100 m distance. The DCH not a single beep even from 25 m.
http://www.mineoro.com/goldDetectors/finding_mexico.php#
that the PDC210 no longer is produced but replaced by the much more sensitive FG80.
What does this mean?
Was hung right with his test results or was it a lie and is the PDC210 better?
@ "new mineoro video" hung also found a piece of copper-tube in an ancient city - post 7 - just from a month ago:
Again with the PDC210.
I guess the PDC210 is much better because it also shows other metal-signals.
As you said, large and long time ago buried gold is very seldom - perhaps 1 out of 500 places, so it's stupid focussing on gold only and frustrating alot customers that throw away there LRLs because they find nothing at all!
I could built the ionic detector and because I found that LM324N opamp also the Gold Gun AL718 out of scratch with some mods and alot additional experimenting but when I read the info of "hung" and your formerly Mineoro statements I wonder what's really right or wrong now and why those devices should work under brazil conditions and not with european.
btw. thanx for the nice pic - under what circumstances and from which distance did you found this cache?Comment
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Hi F. finderOriginally posted by Funfinder View PostHi Morgan,
Thanx for the answer. It is great that you have tested and selfmade such ionic detectors but there are some points generally very mysterious:
@ "Mineoro FG79 Price?" in Post #7 from 2008 you've been totally against them:
Is this because those devices doesn't work outside of Brazil - not in equation with different ionic-fields or something? If so, is there a Mineoro Model that works everywhere and do you still have some to sell?
Next:
@ LRL Ionic/Electrostatic energy field locator Page 5
hung in post #116 wrote:
Yesterday I saw at:
http://www.mineoro.com/goldDetectors/finding_mexico.php#
that the PDC210 no longer is produced but replaced by the much more sensitive FG80.
What does this mean?
Was hung right with his test results or was it a lie and is the PDC210 better?
@ "new mineoro video" hung also found a piece of copper-tube in an ancient city - post 7 - just from a month ago:
Again with the PDC210.
I guess the PDC210 is much better because it also shows other metal-signals.
As you said, large and long time ago buried gold is very seldom - perhaps 1 out of 500 places, so it's stupid focussing on gold only and frustrating alot customers that throw away there LRLs because they find nothing at all!
I could built the ionic detector and because I found that LM324N opamp also the Gold Gun AL718 out of scratch with some mods and alot additional experimenting but when I read the info of "hung" and your formerly Mineoro statements I wonder what's really right or wrong now and why those devices should work under brazil conditions and not with european.
btw. thanx for the nice pic - under what circumstances and from which distance did you found this cache?
This cache was found not more than 20 m distance and deep was 60 cm.
Was found with Pistoldetektor prototype ,one copy of the original,this you can see in yootube working as demonstration.Comment
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Originally posted by Funfinder View PostHi Morgan,
Thanx for the answer. It is great that you have tested and selfmade such ionic detectors but there are some points generally very mysterious:
@ "Mineoro FG79 Price?" in Post #7 from 2008 you've been totally against them:
Is this because those devices doesn't work outside of Brazil - not in equation with different ionic-fields or something? If so, is there a Mineoro Model that works everywhere and do you still have some to sell?
Next:
@ LRL Ionic/Electrostatic energy field locator Page 5
hung in post #116 wrote:
Yesterday I saw at:
http://www.mineoro.com/goldDetectors/finding_mexico.php#
that the PDC210 no longer is produced but replaced by the much more sensitive FG80.
What does this mean?
Was hung right with his test results or was it a lie and is the PDC210 better?
@ "new mineoro video" hung also found a piece of copper-tube in an ancient city - post 7 - just from a month ago:
Again with the PDC210.
I guess the PDC210 is much better because it also shows other metal-signals.
As you said, large and long time ago buried gold is very seldom - perhaps 1 out of 500 places, so it's stupid focussing on gold only and frustrating alot customers that throw away there LRLs because they find nothing at all!
I could built the ionic detector and because I found that LM324N opamp also the Gold Gun AL718 out of scratch with some mods and alot additional experimenting but when I read the info of "hung" and your formerly Mineoro statements I wonder what's really right or wrong now and why those devices should work under brazil conditions and not with european.
btw. thanx for the nice pic - under what circumstances and from which distance did you found this cache?
About MINEORO
Yes,i´m against the huge prices of mineoro products and the propaganda of LRL performance are not true.
Until now i get results with my DC2008 model,thats becouse i stop sell my MINEORO,i find that it can work but NOT AS THEY PUT IN THE SITE. Mineoro DC2008 work very defective when is to find objects in gold.
My finds with DC2008 :
Large silver coin 4 meters distance (only sparzed sounds around the target,impossible to pinpoint)
Golden buckle (similar distance,sparzed sounds around,not possible to pinpoint)
A few objects in the beach (the same behavior)
treasure i never found with MINEORO,but i think is possible.
So you can build one LRL project,i think results will be the same,and you save your money.Comment
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Thx morgan and it's very good you bring the important facts up: "Not working as described".
Sparzed sounds from a detector that costs 1000s of dollars... - even if 4m for a coin is a respectable distance!
But what you do if the sounds vanish in thin air or the pinpointing with an usual MD fails...
We need reliable equipment and signals - we also don't use shovels made out of cardboard - we have to analyze the real potential and "quality" and don't rely on "good looking" advertisment infos!
What I'm missing is the shielding in other directions! I built a cantenna for WLan WiFi and worked alot with antennas and ant.amps and have 3 sat-dishes on the roof and they all work directional!
So how a LRL should work properly if it receives "ball-like" the EM-disturbances from all directions? And this is even if the antenna has some "directive form" as long as it is not properly shielded or housed in a metal-tube like my USB Stick cantenna below, which still has a 45° working field.
The Mineoro is in a wooden box because of reducing static electricity-fields and I doubt it has a directional shielding inside at all.
Before I will put many hours in electronical building, engineering, testing and finetuning work:
Please tell me if the ionic-electrostatic field detector from 2008 found here:
is the best choice or do exist better schematics meanwhile? The same question about the Alonso PistolDetector (is this the same as Gold Gun AL718?) you and Geo prefer.
Of course I will tell you in return if I'll find out any improvements (of course I will make them), because I can put really exTreme huge effort into something and can make excessive tests, too.Attached FilesComment
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My opinion is that if you want directivity by electromagnetic fields in these LRL's it is difficult to acomplish because the frequencies involved are too low with huge wavelengths, therefore the best way to have precise directivity as an LRL is by infrared detection, like Esteban has shown.
Regards
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@ Morgan
Oh - now I see there is a first post concerning the cache (btw. the main post from me also is above) - 20m is really fantastic!
Is the pistol you used the same system Geo found the mine a few weeks ago?
Hi Astrodetect,
infrared already uses a very short wavelenght between light and microwaves so I don't know what you exactly mean.
Could it be some of these LRLs are just simple EM-Field Meters? Using FETs and gold as electrode just because it has near same electrostatic attributes like air?
However at least the magnetic flux between the earth-caps is directional and the gravitation also.
btw. I wanna try out that: "ic burns near treasure"-circuit or schematic. Where can I find it?
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Originally posted by Funfinder View Post@ Morgan
Oh - now I see there is a first post concerning the cache (btw. the main post from me also is above) - 20m is really fantastic!
Is the pistol you used the same system Geo found the mine a few weeks ago?
Hi Astrodetect,
infrared already uses a very short wavelenght between light and microwaves so I don't know what you exactly mean.
Could it be some of these LRLs are just simple EM-Field Meters? Using FETs and gold as electrode just because it has near same electrostatic attributes like air?
However at least the magnetic flux between the earth-caps is directional and the gravitation also.
btw. I wanna try out that: "ic burns near treasure"-circuit or schematic. Where can I find it?
Hello
The LRL i post schematic in 2008,is experimental Zahori for beginers,anyway i experiment some LRL results with big metals underground,but the BFO should be very stable,unfortunatly it drift time to time,also the Antennas configuration are not the best,it can be better(just ask Detectoman,he build good antennas for this project). Actualy i adapt special ionic chamber to this project,that i think can work fine without BFO dtector,its more simple,but i need to try on field.
About PD,yes its the most efective LRL i ever use,but it needs critical adjustments in the LIMIT,as you can see Geo travel to my country just to see,and we make the video films.
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