GP 1 PISTOL DETECTOR

[Funfinder]

@ Morgan

>or better we say its a modified TR metal locator

Please could you explain this more detailed - what you do you mean with "modified TR"??

[Morgan]

Heatkit

@ Morgan

>or better we say its a modified TR metal locator

Please could you explain this more detailed - what you do you mean with "modified TR"??

Well,i tought the PD is one T(transmiter) R(receiver) metal detector mixed with other circuits...

Maybe i´m wrong ???

[Funfinder]

Thx Morgan for the info - we will find out.

btw. If Alonso does not like to "mass produce" this device it would be good if somebody else does.

Putting 50 or more hours into self-building and then sometimes it's lost, stolen or a special undetectable electronical part breaks would result in a really huge loss.

A relative theoretical question:
For how much money would you sell your PD, creating for yourself another one?

[Morgan]

Alonso detectors

Thx Morgan for the info - we will find out.

btw. If Alonso does not like to "mass produce" this device it would be good if somebody else does.

Putting 50 or more hours into self-building and then sometimes it's lost, stolen or a special undetectable electronical part breaks would result in a really huge loss.

A relative theoretical question:
For how much money would you sell your PD, creating for yourself another one?

What i think,all the Alonso´s detectors are diferent,he dont make two exactly the same. Why ? Dont know...
Why i know this ? I know many things...

[Funfinder]

The feeling of success not only for an inventor is achieved
by creating improvements or reaching the desired goal -
that's the main reason why no Mineoro is the same.

But you didn't answered the price-question...

[Morgan]

LRL artist

The feeling of success not only for an inventor is achieved
by creating improvements or reaching the desired goal -
that's the main reason why no Mineoro is the same.

But you didn't answered the price-question...

The price of any handmade PD must be the right price for one artistic object,Alonso not make copies becouse his work is *piece unique* compared to artistic masterpieces,he put the value of his work.
As to me i cant sell copies of alonso PD,i not found yet the correct freq. and i dont have osciloscope,i work in primitive conditions and my electronic knolenge is very basic...

[Funfinder]

OK, let me ask this question on another basis:

Morgan (or Geo, you can answer, too) - from your own experience since 1 or 2 years now with the Alonso PD (you know already well the performance, limitations, problems etc.) - for how much money would you buy this device if somebody sells it, how much do you think it's worth?

[WM6]

the Alonso PD ...- for how much money would you buy this device if somebody sells it, how much do you think it's worth?

Boys at waste landfill says that it is about $1.25 to pay as tax for destruction such poisonus things.

[Morgan]

The price for one working LRL

OK, let me ask this question on another basis:

Morgan (or Geo, you can answer, too) - from your own experience since 1 or 2 years now with the Alonso PD (you know already well the performance, limitations, problems etc.) - for how much money would you buy this device if somebody sells it, how much do you think it's worth?

If the price is important to know, the PD cost in material 25 E,and the wood box + coil it takes all the day to construct,and then all the PCB´s are hand made ,and after this is assembling of components and finaly the calibrations. All this process takes one week, or more if things not work as aspected. So the price for the PD can be the same as convencional metal detector,if is to sell for 500 E is already good money for this,but this PD as much more power than conventional MD´s ,so i think the price of 2000 Dollar asked by Alonso is not exagerated...That´s my point of view.

[Funfinder]

@ WM6
Your mind is poisoned, too - perhaps with too much selfburned Sliwovits!


Hi Morgan.

Thx for this very interresting answer because it shows the work behind and that's really a part of the whole value.

I asked all this because maybe in 2 or 3 year hopefully there will be some commercial company that produces this device - of course best with Alonsos permission and giving him some money per selled piece as tribute.

Or does Mineoro plans to "mass-produces" the PD ? - I don't think so.

2000 dollar is alot money but it would be a reasonable price if you think that you have warranty and most important - you can buy always very fast a replacement-device if your own is broken, stolen or smashed (some german guy 2 weeks ago really smashed his 2500 Euro expensive Garrett MD display while searching ).


OK Morgan, let's hope some of those LRL-Guys focus on the Alonso PD and produce them for a good price. This way they also would have a real working device and can stop producing electronical-dowsing-rods and other superstitious stuff.


One last question per favorite:
Do I remember correct that you need an additional MD for pinpointing or does the BFO-circuit got it directly?

If not, eventually we could tweak the BFO?


btw. yesterday I modded my new mini world receiver with a "huge" bnc-jack. And some grounded 20m am/sw antenna is really much stronger as the little ferrite-coil.

[WM6]

Do I remember correct that you need an additional MD for pinpointing or does the BFO-circuit got it directly?

Not for pinpointing, but for detecting buried things at all. Without MD you can detect nothing by mineoro astronomical overpriced funny box.

[Funfinder]

Morgan and Geo have found already alot stuff with their own PDs if you shouldn't have noticed!

But afaik it depends alot on the weather situation, the humidity in air and the ground condition.

And if you ask me the Mineoro devices need much more fine-tuning knobs because of the different
magnetic- and electrostatic-field situation in other countries. Those units are perfectly adjusted to the
Mineoro-testfield and may work in latin-america but not or seldom in north America, Asia or Europe.

[J_Player]

Morgan and Geo have found already alot stuff with their own PDs if you shouldn't have noticed!

But afaik it depends alot on the weather situation, the humidity in air and the ground condition.

And if you ask me the Mineoro devices need much more fine-tuning knobs because of the different
magnetic- and electrostatic-field situation in other countries. Those units are perfectly adjusted to the
Mineoro-testfield and may work in latin-america but not or seldom in north America, Asia or Europe.

I think you have it right. The Mineoro machines appear to work as advertised at the Mineoro factory and at places they test them in Brazil, and even in other countries of South America. But as you move farther away from the Mineoro factory, the response seems to diminish to the point where people are not finding treasures. We see evidence of this from the reports from people who tried the Mineoro machines in North America, Europe, Mediterranean, and Middle East. While some report some minimal response, these detectors seem to not work as advertised, or not work as they were demonstrated to work at the Mineoro factory test grounds.

What is interesting is we have heard no reports of the Mineoro machines from Scandinavia, Russia, China, the Pacific Rim, Australia, India, Antarctica, Patagonia, or Canada. I wonder why we do not hear field reports from these places? Could it be the people who live there are not interested in buying Mineoro machines for treasure hunting? Or maybe they did buy them, but have no news to report? Maybe they found tons of treasure, and do not want others to know about it...

Best wishes,
J_P

[Funfinder]

If Mineoro wants to sell their detectors worldwide (and they do!), they have to make it shure that those also will work worldwide.

But perhaps this isn't in their budget or makes too many circumstances. No personel or infrastructure for important stuff like that. Maybe so far there weren't enough complains from far country customers?


But a point where we have to start is the "detection-limitation" directly in brazil!

Bad weather, humidity in air, thunder and lightning, nearby high-voltage lines, cell phones in the pocket, plastic bags, gold ring on your finger or what ever!!!

If these factors are known we would have a much more realistic picture of the Mineoro device capabilities.

Because this is really no longer funny if an european or north american customers reads the super fantastic optimistic claims of their website, decides to buy such unit for several thousands of bucks and after this has no success at all, just only some random beeps or perhaps the relative worthless "fresh (and very near) gold" feature (that every usual MD has).


> I wonder why we do not hear field reports from these places? Could it be the people who live there are not interested in buying Mineoro machines for treasure hunting?

My opinion: There aren't thousands of worldwide Mineoro customers but just a few and the treasure hunt is concentrated to special countries with relative rich people that can afford such expensive Mineoro equipment. And not everyone directly searches for "Geotech Forum" for writing his own test-review.

Another reason why is that Mineoro isn't the only LRL-producer. So people buy alot nonworking nonsense and lose there interest in the whole topic because they think it's all the same sh*t.

I guess the Mineoro also could work in Australia and a report about nuggets-search there is really missing so far!

> Maybe they found tons of treasure, and do not want others to know about it...

Not really, but the most for shure like to work discreet and don't tell everyone about their findings. Not even in the relative anonymous internet. Most customers only will inform the MD or LRL company / reseller if they are successful / happy with the new device or not - if at all.

That's why we can find such amazing treasure-finding-stories on the OKM or Mineoro pages but not here...

But wait, perhaps this will change now with the new topic we have right now.

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16926

[WM6]

The Mineoro machines appear to work as advertised at the Mineoro factory and at places they test them in Brazil, and even in other countries of South America.

Scam promotional SA tale stories - nothing else.

All LRL findings are falsed (usually buried and dig up by same person) or found after random LRL beep... beeep ... beeep, by usual MD on rich locations.

But, as we can see, man's hope needs belives .... so I am LRL believer.