Alonso PD modification

[J_Player]

Interesting proposal, dear Geo.

I am not retired yet and september is otherwise out of my annual leave, but it is not excluded to obtain small additional holyday. Dowsing or not, for me it would be very interesting to meet esteemed TH colleague and excellent MD designer Geo and some of his friends.

Regarding dowsing test, Greece is not my terrain and I cannot prepare adequate field test condition to be scientifically valid. I may be present at such field test, no problem, but just as valid test can not be considered (I do not believe in tests, in which the same person hides and finds the target).

Of course I am very interested in dowsing test: like the implementation in sort of "Randy" test, and I can make all arrangements needed for such test (say 8 visually equal boxes one of those with gold target):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOsCnX-TKIY

I hope your teacher are willing to undergone such test (video inclusive).

I would wonder, if I could on the way to Greece to join our common dear friend ivconic.

Hi WM6,
You have made an excellent decision.
I am sure you will have a wonderful holiday when you visit Croatia and Greece.
Be sure to take photos of the scenery so we can see the places you visit on your holiday.

Also, you will be able to make actual dowsing observations, so you will know what you are talking about when you observe if Geo can dowse or not.
You will be able to make forum posts with authority and facts when you talk about what you see happen when the Greek dowsers show you how they dowse.
Everyone will know you are stating facts, not opinions. And nobody can tell you your facts are wrong. Especially if you show videos.

I congratulate you for an excellent decision to make field observations.
I will be watching for when you return from your trip and make reports of what you see.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Hi WM6,
You have made an excellent decision.
I am sure you will have a wonderful holiday when you visit Croatia and Greece.
Be sure to take photos of the scenery so we can see the places you visit on your holiday.

Also, you will be able to make actual dowsing observations, so you will know what you are talking about when you observe if Geo can dowse or not.
You will be able to make forum posts with authority and facts when you talk about what you see happen when the Greek dowsers show you how they dowse.
Everyone will know you are stating facts, not opinions. And nobody can tell you your facts are wrong. Especially if you show videos.

I congratulate you for an excellent decision to make field observations.
I will be watching for when you return from your trip and make reports of what you see.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P

Croatia is in my neighbourhood, 1 hour by car to croatian beach.

But Greece is quite far, by car I ned first to pass Croatia, Serbia and Macedonia to reach Greece. Mentioned continental route mean at least 10 hour of driving. There are beach route Croatia, Bosnia & Hercegovina, Montenegro, Albania, Greece too but more unpleasant and is not my choice.

I am very interested to do such tests so I hope seriously that we (Geo and I) can to negotiate adequte period, if not in comming september then once later.

[Funfinder]

Hung, thx alot for all your explanations
and we came now to a very important topic:

What other - always available - things besides fresh or long time ago buried treasures forces the Mineoro device to react?!?!

Because if we exactly know that, everyone in the whole world can control if his Mineoro really works, if it also really would detect buried gold etc.!

An example:
The solar charger works in pure sunlight but also if you hold it close to some bright lamp, even at night.

The same way it should be possible that the Mineoro outputs special or even strong signals.


btw. this with the TV detection could be misleading!
We have to know exactly the diameter of the TVs screen and if its cathode-ray-tube or LCD.

And if the usual "electrostatic" noise detection doesn't indicate if the Mineoro is capable in finding gold because or even is "contra-indicative" we need some other unmisleading possibility to test it.

Is there something reliable?

Is it possible buiding some simple electronical device that radiates on a special "gold" frequency so the Mineoro at least can be tested with this?

Is the Mineoro's circuit very sensitive to changing temperature? 'Cause in Europe sometime it's much colder, compared to brazil! But the temperature in Greece should be almost the same...

However - remember the solar charger... - is there also a similar way how to test the Mineoro that it is really working without errors???

And maybe ANDREAS' unit now is "overmodified" so it doesn't detect Gold any longer? At least for ANDREAS we need a shure indicator if the Mineoro works or not!

And it would also of great help for any potential buyers, because those could directly test after shipping in their home-country if the unit still and really works flawless!

[WM6]

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maybe ANDREAS' unit now is "overmodified" so it doesn't detect Gold any longer?

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Yes or it is "overmodified", or humidity is to high, or humidity is to low, or it is to cold, or it is to hot, or grass is to high - or to wet, or there was unproper vegetation, or highway was to close, or near church make influence, or soil vibrate, or river was to rush, or dowser has bad feelings, or, or , or , or, ........... there was always tausands of excuse why mineoro expensive crap is not working.

[ANDREAS]

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And maybe ANDREAS' unit now is "overmodified" so it doesn't detect Gold any longer? At least for ANDREAS we need a shure indicator if the Mineoro works or not!............

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Funfinder i don't make "overmodified", but a make a "servis" for better results. I don't open clasifier-box and don't open "general-PCB with protection". Only very delicate mods. You must be sure now, this device work perfect (inside laboratory). In practice we see .
I present my tests new thread by j_player.
best regards

[Morgan]

PDC 210

There are two important points in your information.

First, you claim the original device did not detect in your arquelology area. I presume you mean it did not beep even with edge calibration.
Assuming this device was working fine and it was not deffective, its silence apparently would indicate the absence of gold there. But...

But you mentioned that this device originally detected TV screen from only 1 meter. And this is the first evidence that this device could have had a problem.
My PDC and many I have tested here, reacted to TV screen from 5 to 6 meters. If your device did this from only a meter, something definitely was not right.

OK, you claim to have modified this machine to be more sensitive. Fine. But this brings us to my second point.

Just because you make it sensitive to TV, electrical powerlines, 1.5 battery sparks, etc. absolutely does not mean that it will be more sensitive to gold.
I already stated this many times in the past when discussing the PD. Making it sensitive to the examples above only means it is more sensitive to many electric and ionic fields, but not necessarily that of gold's.

My PDC reacted to a 1.5 battery spark from 1.7 meters. The FG80 Tyon for instance only from 30 cms. But the Tyon would pick a fresh real small gold target from about 1.5 meter while the PDC from only 1 cm.

Making it sensitive to electric fields does not mean you will enhance the gold detection performance. In many cases, it might just be the opposite.

And most important. A working PDC will never be able to detect powerlines from 300 meters distance. Believe me, I owned the PDC for 5 years doing all the tests possible and dozens of field excursions. Only long time buried gold made this machine react at long range. And even if close to powerlines, which required reducing the calibration knob, it could still pick a gold target as the frequencies and phase are different. Although it would have to be a very big target actually.

Hello

I have one MINEORO PDC 210,modificated in Damasio´s Garopaba factory,it detect TV 5meters,spark 1,5 V 1meter,and not detect gold coin or ring even 1 cm from the ionic chamber...As i can see your PDC can detect...WHY ?

Here whe are in PD modification threads,so i present one good modification,and now the PD can work more accurate.The INTENSITY METER and the multiturn Pot. make it very good to work,and allways calibrated into limits.

Regards

[detectoman]

dear brodhy morgan, mm, if you pd need work in limit, isnt good, these seems how you need stabilice major you cacharro may be whit other component, or need any modifications what i soon can say you, but these is the alonso pd? how you had disarm and expand, these not of property? what happ whit you pd prototipe? is in wastepapers?
an embrace at you and all members

[Morgan]

PD

dear brodhy morgan, mm, if you pd need work in limit, isnt good, these seems how you need stabilice major you cacharro may be whit other component, or need any modifications what i soon can say you, but these is the alonso pd? how you had disarm and expand, these not of property? what happ whit you pd prototipe? is in wastepapers?
an embrace at you and all members

The Alonso´s PD is already mine some time ago,i buy it,is better than my PD clone,and this improvments only make it better for searching.
I buy this PD becouse is a true LONG RANGE LOCATOR

[J_Player]

The Alonso´s PD is already mine some time ago,i buy it,is better than my PD clone,and this improvments only make it better for searching.
I buy this PD becouse is a true LONG RANGE LOCATOR

Hi Morgan,
I am happy for you. You are now the owner of the famous Alonso PD.

I would be interested to see a video if you have time to make one. I would like to see on a very dry day (less than 30% humidity) the distance the Alonso PD can detect the known gold medal you have buried for many years. And in the same video, I would like to see the distance you can detect the same medal with your best Mineoro locator. It would be good to measure the maximum distance in meters from the known location of the medal when you begin to hear definite beeps of the treasure.

If you have time to make this video on a dry day, it can show the difference between detection of the Alonso PD and other Mineoro locators in Portugal.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

PD and MINEORO

Hi Morgan,
I am happy for you. You are now the owner of the famous Alonso PD.

I would be interested to see a video if you have time to make one. I would like to see on a very dry day (less than 30% humidity) the distance the Alonso PD can detect the known gold medal you have buried for many years. And in the same video, I would like to see the distance you can detect the same medal with your best Mineoro locator. It would be good to measure the maximum distance in meters from the known location of the medal when you begin to hear definite beeps of the treasure.

If you have time to make this video on a dry day, it can show the difference between detection of the Alonso PD and other Mineoro locators in Portugal.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P

I will find some time to make a video.

The PD not as problems with umidity. The problems are with rain days or very hot days up to 45 degree,its where the distances reduce a lot.

About the mineoro DC 2008 is the one i can trust,but catch the medal not everytime,it was very lucky detect the medal when Geo was here,anyway it start some beeps only above the medal,but PD detection is 2m-3m.


Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P

I will find some time to make a video.

The PD not as problems with umidity. The problems are with rain days or very hot days up to 45 degree,its where the distances reduce a lot.

About the mineoro DC 2008 is the one i can trust,but catch the medal not everytime,it was very lucky detect the medal when Geo was here,anyway it start some beeps only above the medal,but PD detection is 2m-3m.

Regards

Thank you Morgan.
You can post in the new survey section if you don't have time now for making videos (Mineoro survey here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16967 ).
You can tell what model Mineoro and what maximum distance you found from the medal. This will help people to know the detection you found in Portugal for your DC 2008.

I will also wait to see your video of the DC 2008 detecting on a day with low humidity.
Thank you for making true posts of what you see.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Mineoro

Thank you Morgan.
You can post in the new survey section if you don't have time now for making videos (Mineoro survey here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16967 ).
You can tell what model Mineoro and what maximum distance you found from the medal. This will help people to know the detection you found in Portugal for your DC 2008.

I will also wait to see your video of the DC 2008 detecting on a day with low humidity.
Thank you for making true posts of what you see.

Best wishes,
J_P

Actualy i have here 20% Humidity and 38 degree temperature(in shadow) its very hot,and MINEORO DC 2008 can not detect the gold medal.
But a few days ago it detect only with sparzed beeps. This as nothing to compare with the clear signal we saw in videos from Brazil,i realy dont know what to say about this ...

[WM6]

No,only long time ago buried metals can be located at this big distances,becouse during many years underground they create some kind of electromagnetic field, and the PD or maybe other LRL can detect this phenomenon.

Hi Morgan,

you mean this:

http://www.aemr.net/publications/spm/spm.pdf ?

[J_Player]

Actualy i have here 20% Humidity and 38 degree temperature(in shadow) its very hot,and MINEORO DC 2008 can not detect the gold medal.
But a few days ago it detect only with sparzed beeps. This as nothing to compare with the clear signal we saw in videos from Brazil,i realy dont know what to say about this ...

Hi Morgan,
This is excellent information of Mineoro DC2008 performance seen in Portugal. Can you put your post again in the Mineoro survey for people to read here? : http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16967

I like your report because we know it it true information.
Other users of Mineoro will also be posting in this survey to show what they see at their location for the Mineoro detection.

Best wishes,
J_P

[detectoman]

hello brodhy morgan, to respect of mineoro cacharro detection in the beach, is because the salinity is conductive, and the water remained as we can see in the video of hung help, hung and esteban say in the past, why for we is most easy these detection have iner salt, due the fiel is most extended and exist the big field
then you where go to detection put salt in the soil whit water for major detection