Coils for LRL

[Mike(Mont)]

I finally got the air-core coil wound yesterday. Anyone who has ever wound a coil knows what I went through for a learning curve! First step I would suggest is to wind your wire onto a bigger spool. I used an old bicycle tire rim without spokes, etc. AFTER I tried to wind it from the small spool. The wire gets pinched into the other spool wires, and it's a huge hassle. Once I used the tire rim things went MUCH smoother. More later.

[Theseus]

I finally got the air-core coil wound yesterday. Anyone who has ever wound a coil knows what I went through for a learning curve! First step I would suggest is to wind your wire onto a bigger spool. I used an old bicycle tire rim without spokes, etc. AFTER I tried to wind it from the small spool. The wire gets pinched into the other spool wires, and it's a huge hassle. Once I used the tire rim things went MUCH smoother. More later.

Was that a 26 or a 27" rim?

[Mike(Mont)]

I must admit this air-core coil is very fragile. For starters, I used just a pound or so pull on the wire as I did the winding and now I realize the 1" x 2" wood frame is just barely adequate. Stiffer wire (thicker) is going to have even more strain on the frame. And the thin wires are so delicate, I'm glad I didn't go any thinner for the first time project. Anyway from what I take the thin wire is okay for lower frequencies.

So what I did was to turn on the frequency generator, tune the coil for peak voltage, then use uA meter and look for anomolies. Also I tuned frequency started at 59.5 KHz and went up until I found something the coil liked.

Would I suggest anyone build this project? No way! You should have seen the mess I had on the first attempt. I had half the wire on after a couple hours and numerous tangles of the wire on the small spool when i realized the first few turns were slack. So I tried to tighten them and they just started to fall off the frame. Then everything got tangled. So after untangling and winding a large part back on another small spool I finally realized that I needed to wind the wire on the bike rim first.

[Mike(Mont)]

I want to thank Esteban for all the good info he posted.

[detectoman]

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[goldfinder]

Capacitor has no ions

JPlayer is right,Capacitors don't have ions. They can have an electrical charge. The charge is explained as electrons. The dielectric holds the field energy. Basically a stress in the dielectric when there is charge across the capacitor plate.

If is possible for sensitive people to feel the charge on a capacitor and perhaps Mont Mike is able to do this. I myself can do this and have been tested in very controlled situations by competent scientists. I can also sense when a wire is energized with a voltage. I don't know the mechanism of this but it is an ability some have. My brother also has it. We can both look at a circuit and tell what parts of the circuit are energized with voltage.

As far as dowsing goes, I flunk of in that arena for finding treasure but can locate water. Maybe because the body is 80% water is why. If we were 80% gold then it might be a different story.

Goldfinder

[Mike(Mont)]

Not only can I feel the ion charge as a slight breeze, my ion counter reads there are negative ions, and near the coil I have even smelled ozone or ozium, or whatever it's called. No doubt about it. Yes, I suppose it is possible it came from another source, even a resonance within my own cells but not at all likely. My senses narrowed it down to within an inch or two. I don't know it you read that link I posted. An antenna can produce high voltage when in resonance. For that matter so can human cells or a human antenna. High voltage is one way to produce ions.

[J_Player]

... I don't know it you read that link I posted. An antenna can produce high voltage when in resonance...

I read that link you posted.
And I think you are spreading propaganda that the author did not state. He talked about a theoretical high voltage that couldn't exist unless some impossible conditions could be created. The high voltage he talked about was only a hypothetical example he used to try to explain how small antennas can tune long wavelengths. His point was that if a zero resistance circuit with infinite Q could be built, then hypothetically, it could develop a high ac voltage under certain conditions. He was quick to point out that this high voltage does not exist in the real world for small resonant loop antennas:
"Note: the above phenomenon can only occur for an ideal LC circuit, where the resistance of the coil is zero and where the Q of the circuit is infinite".
"...Keep in mind that this device is a relatively small affair sitting in your back yard. It's not a 1KHz quarter-wave dipole tower 25 miles tall. There's no huge antenna, so we would not expect to find any huge level of electric power appearing in the circuit". Read it here for yourself: http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html

Do you really believe this author was saying there is high voltage in your non-powered backyard loop and capacitor, or that they can generate ions in the air?
Do you expect us to believe he was telling us your back yard loop and capacitor is generating some high voltage or ions?

I think it is easier to believe goldfinder's explanation than an explanation that spreads false propaganda and relies on misquoting what others say.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Not only can I feel the ion charge as a slight breeze, my ion counter reads there are negative ions, and near the coil I have even smelled ozone or ozium, or whatever it's called. No doubt about it. Yes, I suppose it is possible it came from another source, even a resonance within my own cells but not at all likely. My senses narrowed it down to within an inch or two. I don't know it you read that link I posted. An antenna can produce high voltage when in resonance. For that matter so can human cells or a human antenna. High voltage is one way to produce ions.

Sorry, Mike, but you are sadly mistaken. Better get your 7th grade science text out and give it some study.

If your statement had any hint of truth to it, there would be no reason to spend so much money building elaborate power generating plants.

[Mike(Mont)]

Yes, I have an ongoing education here. The ions are coming from somewhere, I mentioned it could be from the human cells as a product from the antenna. My hand was near the ion counter and it is true I feel the ion breeze on my hands when locating. It's not like I'm the only person in the world who has experienced the ion breeze. I'll bet most people have and never realized it. Probaly the easiest way to experience it is put your hand near a negative ion generator. I know a guy who burned his hand on a exhaust pipe and he used the ion generator said the cool breeze helped relieve the pain and claimed it helped with the healing.

But back to the coils, yes there have been difficulties with my experiments but like one guy said "pretty soon there won't be anything else left to go wrong". LOL. I haven't had time to do anything with it lately.

[Mike(Mont)]

Been messing with the coil in my yard (near power lines). Not really sure much about anything. I hooked up a frequency counter to it and had to get near to the transmitter before it was pulled off the 60Hz reading to the tuned frequency 59.5K in this case. So I realize the transmitter antenna is not supposed to work like a typical radio antenna (tuned).

When measuring microamps the meter reading will smoothly increase as I approach the power lines, but when there is a signal line it is like there is a slight delay --the meter will flatten then jump to catch up to where it was headed. It almost feels like the signal line is pulled along a couple feet or so as I walk through it. So I wonder if the coil is picking up some capacitance or whatever from me (sort of like grabbing a TV antenna and changing the tuning). There's no doubt the power lines are the dominant force, but if there is an underlying frequency from the transmitter in the coil I don't know how to measure it. I need to get out away from the 60Hz and see what happens. Got more things to try out.

[Mike(Mont)]

I ordered another capacitor for the coil I built. No, I don't know what I'm doing and hope I don't hurt myself LOL. Anybody here worked with coil building/tuning the SLF or ELF frequencies? It seems to me if you don't much of a coil you need a big capacitor and that is not going to be easy to tune to an exact frequency.