PISTOL DETECTOR SCHEMATIC

[Rudy]

Hi Geo,

You remember the Ivconic electrostatic detector and zahori electrostatic detector.
Do you think these electrostatic detectors can locate treasure as well as a Mineoro locator?


Best wishes,
J_P

A strict parsing of that paragraph leads one to say that yes, they can locate treasure as well as Mineoro.

[J_Player]

A strict parsing of that paragraph leads one to say that yes, they can locate treasure as well as Mineoro.

Hi Rudy,
This is also my opinion, that the performance of the zahori and Ivconic electrostatic detectors is about the same as a Mineoro LRLs.
But I am looking for some believable reports from people who tried both when treasure hunting. People who have seen how they compare with hands-on experience.
I think Geo tells true stories about his treasure hunting experiences. And Morgan too.
Maybe Morgan also knows how the Mineoro LRLs compare to the Zahori and Ivconic electrostatic detectors for finding treasure.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

MINEORO

Hi Rudy,
This is also my opinion, that the performance of the zahori and Ivconic electrostatic detectors is about the same as a Mineoro LRLs.
But I am looking for some believable reports from people who tried both when treasure hunting. People who have seen how they compare with hands-on experience.
I think Geo tells true stories about his treasure hunting experiences. And Morgan too.
Maybe Morgan also knows how the Mineoro LRLs compare to the Zahori and Ivconic electrostatic detectors for finding treasure.


Best wishes,
J_P

What i know about MINEORO ,some people tell me they found treasures,amount of 1kg to 17 kg,distances from 40 m to 400 m,but i only believe if i get the same results.
I already sent many emails for the mineoro propaganda,the people who found big treasures or single gold objects ,but no answer...
My experiences with MINEORO, 1,5 V battery spark--1 m , TV screen --3 m ,economy lamp 14 w -- 2m . Note that i have even better results using the last project PD passive receiver, and is low cost 10 Euro material, but MINEORO cost BIG MONEY !!!!
I´m sure if MINEORO can found big treasure at 400m the PD receiver can do the same.

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
You believe the ion chamber of Mineoro is not working?
You think Mineoro ion chamber does not detect ions of long time buried treasure?

I also think ion chamber is not detecting ions of long time buried treasure.
But I have not taken Mineoro LRL into the field for testing to see if the ion chamber is working or not.

You remember the Ivconic electrostatic detector and zahori electrostatic detector.
Do you think these electrostatic detectors can locate treasure as well as a Mineoro locator?


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.

I don't believe to ion champer of Mineoro for a simple reason. All you have proved many times that there are not ion gold above of the ground (as Mineoro says).
I never tried Zahori or Ivconic ion detector so i can't compare them with Mineoro.
For me the Mineoro works with the internal loop and a simple "receiver" and all the other (champer... AVR etc) are only for to seem a very complex detector and to ask a lot of money.
Also Esteban said that Zahori needs some mods to work as LRL.

Regards

[Geo]

What i know about MINEORO ,some people tell me they found treasures,amount of 1kg to 17 kg,distances from 40 m to 400 m,but i only believe if i get the same results.
I already sent many emails for the mineoro propaganda,the people who found big treasures or single gold objects ,but no answer...
My experiences with MINEORO, 1,5 V battery spark--1 m , TV screen --3 m ,economy lamp 14 w -- 2m . Note that i have even better results using the last project PD passive receiver, and is low cost 10 Euro material, but MINEORO cost BIG MONEY !!!!
I´m sure if MINEORO can found big treasure at 400m the PD receiver can do the same.

When i was own of the PDC210 i tried it in the lab giving signal with the Signal generator. It received a lot of frequencies..... (very bad receiver or it wanted to receive at a big band of frequencies)
I had a video of it ( no good quality), if i will find it i will post here.

Regards

[J_Player]

Here we have the answers from people who actually made the tests... see what they saw:

What i know about MINEORO ,some people tell me they found treasures,amount of 1kg to 17 kg,distances from 40 m to 400 m,but i only believe if i get the same results.
I already sent many emails for the mineoro propaganda,the people who found big treasures or single gold objects ,but no answer...
My experiences with MINEORO, 1,5 V battery spark--1 m , TV screen --3 m ,economy lamp 14 w -- 2m . Note that i have even better results using the last project PD passive receiver, and is low cost 10 Euro material, but MINEORO cost BIG MONEY !!!!
I´m sure if MINEORO can found big treasure at 400m the PD receiver can do the same.

I don't believe to ion champer of Mineoro for a simple reason. All you have proved many times that there are not ion gold above of the ground (as Mineoro says).
I never tried Zahori or Ivconic ion detector so i can't compare them with Mineoro.
For me the Mineoro works with the internal loop and a simple "receiver" and all the other (champer... AVR etc) are only for to seem a very complex detector and to ask a lot of money.
Also Esteban said that Zahori needs some mods to work as LRL.

From what we read from Morgan and Geo, it appears they believe they get medium range detection with their pistol detectors. But they think the Mineoro detectors do not help them find treasure very well.

Geo and Morgan say Mineoro LRLs will find some short range detection of sparks, but they never see real treasure detection from long range with Mineoro. When Morgan hears reports from people who say they find long range detection... these are fake reports because these people never answer their email to confirm their long range detection. Geo and Morgan confirm Carl-NC's findings to say the Mineoro can detect sparks from some small distance -- but they are not good for finding treasure.
Geo and Morgan say the Mineoro will cost BIG money, but will not detect as well as PD for cost of very small money.
See Morgan new PD complete project above... maybe $20 US for parts, not more than $5000 like Mineoro.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Here we have the answers from people who actually made the tests... see what they saw:


From what we read from Morgan and Geo, it appears they believe they get medium range detection with their pistol detectors. But they think the Mineoro detectors do not help them find treasure very well.

Geo and Morgan say Mineoro LRLs will find some short range detection of sparks, but they never see real treasure detection from long range with Mineoro. When Morgan hears reports from people who say they find long range detection... these are fake reports because these people never answer their email to confirm their long range detection. Geo and Morgan confirm Carl-NC's findings to say the Mineoro can detect sparks from some small distance -- but they are not good for finding treasure.
Geo and Morgan say the Mineoro will cost BIG money, but will not detect as well as PD for cost of very small money.
See Morgan new PD complete project above... maybe $20 US for parts, not more than $5000 like Mineoro.

Best wishes,
J_P

Ι believe that Mineoro is not good to locate a coin but it is able to locate a big treasure at 10... 30 meters distance

Regards

[J_Player]

Ι believe that Mineoro is not good to locate a coin but it is able to locate a big treasure at 10... 30 meters distance

Regards

Hi Geo,
How big of treasure do you think Mineoro can locate from 30 meters? Maybe treasure of the size of 30cm diameter?

Other question: Do you think you can build a simple radio receiver that will detect treasure with equal results of using Mineoro, or maybe better results from the radio receiver?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
How big of treasure do you think Mineoro can locate from 30 meters? Maybe treasure of the size of 30cm diameter?

Other question: Do you think you can build a simple radio receiver that will detect treasure with equal results of using Mineoro, or maybe better results from the radio receiver?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
1. At least at dimentions 20x30cm...
2. I don't know..... there are many parameters. The "(Ion champer)" and the main loop of the pcb are connecting to a simple amplifier and after it the signal go to AVR for compare and for out to the buzzer. Nothing special.....
If we will understand what exactly is happening then a good "radio" maybe to give better results.

Regards

[Morgan]

MINEORO

What i know about MINEORO ,some people tell me they found treasures,amount of 1kg to 17 kg,distances from 40 m to 400 m,but i only believe if i get the same results.
I already sent many emails for the mineoro propaganda,the people who found big treasures or single gold objects ,but no answer...
My experiences with MINEORO, 1,5 V battery spark--1 m , TV screen --3 m ,economy lamp 14 w -- 2m . Note that i have even better results using the last project PD passive receiver, and is low cost 10 Euro material, but MINEORO cost BIG MONEY !!!!
I´m sure if MINEORO can found big treasure at 400m the PD receiver can do the same.

Here we have the original DC 2008

And everyone can see the PD passive receiver inside,SO ,ITS THE SAME.

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
1. At least at dimentions 20x30cm...
2. I don't know..... there are many parameters. The "(Ion champer)" and the main loop of the pcb are connecting to a simple amplifier and after it the signal go to AVR for compare and for out to the buzzer. Nothing special.....
If we will understand what exactly is happening then a good "radio" maybe to give better results.

Regards

Then you are not certain we understand exactly what is happening with the signal in the Mineoro locator?
We see several ordinary amplifier functions in the Mineoro, and ordinary receiving loops, also an oscillator and a crystal to drive a digital signal processor on some models.
But as far as I know, nobody knows what this signal processor is set to do... maybe not simple comparator. You can see it has a connection to one of the ion chamber conductors.

From all appearances, I found nothing in the Mineoro circuitry which could detect treasure from any distance except possibly by using the method that geologists use to probe VLF anomalies for identifying things in the ground.
What I see in the Mineoro circuitry does not appear to be optimized for finding treasure by this method, so I suspect a simple radio receiver would perform better than the Mineoro for finding treasure.
And a well designed VLF receiver could do much better (maybe C-Scope or other like PD).

However, if we knew exactly what the signal processor was doing, then maybe some of the other circuitry would begin to make some sense.
Even if the theory of detection was wrong, the electronics might become understandable.


Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Here we have the original DC 2008

And everyone can see the PD passive receiver inside,SO ,ITS THE SAME.

Hi Morgan,
We see a passive receiver is only part of the DC 2008. This receiver is not the same as the PD receiver.
It operates on different frequency and has a much different ferrite connected along with a large loop, and it has other things connected, such as ion chamber and IR LED circuit, etc.

This is not the same as the PD, and we have heard it does not perform the same either.
I wonder why Mineoro added the extra parts and circuits in the DC 2008 when we can easily see the PD works better without these extra parts and circuits?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Here we have the original DC 2008

And everyone can see the PD passive receiver inside,SO ,ITS THE SAME.

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Hi Morgan.
This magnet receiver (PCB5 of the pd) there is not in the original DC2008. Look it, it has different color, the wires are diferent etc.... i think Esteban with it wanted to hide the original magnet detector from us.

Regards

[Geo]

Then you are not certain we understand exactly what is happening with the signal in the Mineoro locator?
We see several ordinary amplifier functions in the Mineoro, and ordinary receiving loops, also an oscillator and a crystal to drive a digital signal processor on some models.
But as far as I know, nobody knows what this signal processor is set to do... maybe not simple comparator. You can see it has a connection to one of the ion chamber conductors.

From all appearances, I found nothing in the Mineoro circuitry which could detect treasure from any distance except possibly by using the method that geologists use to probe VLF anomalies for identifying things in the ground.
What I see in the Mineoro circuitry does not appear to be optimized for finding treasure by this method, so I suspect a simple radio receiver would perform better than the Mineoro for finding treasure.
And a well designed VLF receiver could do much better (maybe C-Scope or other like PD).

However, if we knew exactly what the signal processor was doing, then maybe some of the other circuitry would begin to make some sense.
Even if the theory of detection was wrong, the electronics might become understandable.


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
The processor is doing nothing!!!
It takes the signal from amplifiers so to compare it and to give output to the beeper, and also it gives a pulse 10Hz to the middle electrode of the "Ion Champer". Nothing else.
I have a schematic, but i want to edit it (to avoid known problems)
For me the way that the Mineoro can find a treasure is the electrostatic and magnetic fields.....

Regards

[Geo]

Hi Morgan,
We see a passive receiver is only part of the DC 2008. This receiver is not the same as the PD receiver.
It operates on different frequency and has a much different ferrite connected along with a large loop, and it has other things connected, such as ion chamber and IR LED circuit, etc.

This is not the same as the PD, and we have heard it does not perform the same either.
I wonder why Mineoro added the extra parts and circuits in the DC 2008 when we can easily see the PD works better without these extra parts and circuits?


Best wishes,
J_P

PD is not Mineoro. PD is from Alonso..... and inside the DC2008 it makes the same work.... simple it works at a different frequency (not very big difference).
But i want your opinion about the second small loop that there is on the pcb of every model of Mineoro.