MFD "reflections"

[Mike(Mont)]

Here again, "reflections" as used to mean a reflection from an MFD frequency device is probably a misnomer. A piece of aluminum may actually act as a transmitter as the MFD signal is absorbed into the field around the aluminum and pulsed. It's not the same as the clean MFD signal but I'm certainly not that good at differentiating. So I sort of thought if you want to check to see if you have a reflection, maybe use some different frequencies for other elements that are rare to your area and see if they all give a signal it might be a reflection.

[Mike(Mont)]

The frequencies that come off aluminum really seem to have a multitude of harmonics and I just felt that I was not even able to sense beyond a certain point. But it's like there is some light frequencies coming out with it. For some reason people think there is a cut-off frequency when you can no longer feel or sense the wave. Start with sunlight. Most people will agree they can feel sunlight.

[Jim]

A piece of aluminum may actually act as a transmitter as the MFD signal is absorbed into the field around the aluminum and pulsed. It's not the same as the clean MFD signal but I'm certainly not that good at differentiating.

Please describe what a "MFD signal" is. Be specific.

[WM6]

A piece of aluminum may actually act as a transmitter as the MFD signal i

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You mean transmitter or reflector of signals?
And, as Jim ask, please explain your mean of term "MFD signal"!

[Mike(Mont)]

Just wanted to share this experience I had. There was a 10' piece of aluminum rain gutter lying sideways on the ground so the top opening was facing the transmitter and angled maybe 120 degrees. I unknowingly walked maybe eight feet away and the receiver started to pick up some strange, eery sounds. Now here's the part you want to quote, I swear when I looked at the alum gutter and listened to the receiver I could almost see the waves like I was looking at a spectrum analyzer!!!! Somehow I could hear the waves off the aluminum like light waves going through a prism. Hope you have some fun with this one!

[Qiaozhi]

Just wanted to share this experience I had. There was a 10' piece of aluminum rain gutter lying sideways on the ground so the top opening was facing the transmitter and angled maybe 120 degrees. I unknowingly walked maybe eight feet away and the receiver started to pick up some strange, eery sounds. Now here's the part you want to quote, I swear when I looked at the alum gutter and listened to the receiver I could almost see the waves like I was looking at a spectrum analyzer!!!! Somehow I could hear the waves off the aluminum like light waves going through a prism. Hope you have some fun with this one!

Are you making this stuff up?
Even if you're having a laugh, I bet Hung believes it hook line and sinker, without even a shred of evidence.

[Mike(Mont)]

Just an edit to my previous post.

I rechecked the angle of the alum gutter and it was very near to ninety degrees from the transmitter (not 120). Also, I was about four feet away (not 8 feet).

[Mike(Mont)]

Maybe this is the answer?

http://www.mixsig.net/

[fenixdigger]

This stuff does sound crazy, doesn't it???

I can't blame you guys for some of the questions, but some of them are just to start an argument.

We use common words to describe something we see or find and it doesn't make sense to anyone not there.

ie; signal line--- no such thing. It's a reaction from a source to a target. What is it really??
Who knows, it's a guess at best. It's like the coat hanger/ water line thing on a stretched out version.

A lot of stuff like this goes on in the field. we would post a lot more, but the screaming would get too loud. We do it e-mail and p/m between us. Too bad you get cut out of it, dam interesting.
Think of this;Mike and I are doing the same sort of thing and we're looking to get better at the discrimination. (just pretend ) Why would I lie to him and vice versus? Not going to do it.
Nothing to accomplish by that. He tells me something, do you think I'm asking for proof???
Why, I'm already seeing something close to what he is saying to start with.

I understand a critical point of view as I was there once, but what I cannot grasp is how
a rational person can imagine they know and understand what goes on with our crew or other people in the field. I guess that word (rational) is the key.

Mike; try raising the freq. 8% and put a heavy duty magnet on the ground 5 ft from transmitter. Is this the 5,000 you are using?

I have 3 alum. cans with probe holes in them. All have some sort of gold anodizing on them.
The freq. shift knocked them out, as we keep all trash targets we find to refine setup.

[WM6]

Nothing to accomplish by that. He tells me something, do you think I'm asking for proof???
Why, I'm already seeing something close to what he is saying to start with.

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It is not about someone self-conscious and beliefs.
Religion is a private matter, and everyone can believe what he wants.

It is about crime scam. It is a scam that exploited people's beliefs for profit.
It is about very danger crime scam causing even unnecessary human casualties (i.e. Iraq).

[Qiaozhi]

Maybe this is the answer?

http://www.mixsig.net/

Synesthesia may be a fascinating condition in some people, but the condition you have is something else. Besides, I don't think synesthesia includes such symptoms as self-delusion, selective memory, and the ability to exclude scientific evidence that proves dowsing is nothing more than a trick of the mind.

[fenixdigger]

Uh,,,Religion ? Crime spree ? Human causalities ? OK, I guess Not versed enough to combine into metal detecting discussion.

[Qiaozhi]

Uh,,,Religion ? Crime spree ? Human causalities ? OK, I guess Not versed enough to combine into metal detecting discussion.

The fact is that none of us here really care that much that you, Art, Hung, Mike (Mont) and the rest, believe in the medieval practices of dowsing. You have clearly made up your minds to believe whatever mystical stuff you want, despite any evidence to the contrary. As long as none of you are putting other people's lives at risk, then I guess it's only your own time and energies that are being wasted.

So why do the skeptics here continue to "debate" this nonsense with the dowsing and LRL believers?
There are two main reasons:

1. Because we can, and it provides us with some amusement.
2. Other members, who are sitting on the sidelines and reading these forums, need to have a balanced view of the subject.

Keep posting ... and we will be here to give a skeptical (and factual) response.

As H3Tec are fond of saying: "You can't hide from the Geotech skeptics".
(or something similar)

[J_Player]

...So why do the skeptics here continue to "debate" this nonsense with the dowsing and LRL believers?
There are two main reasons:

1. Because we can, and it provides us with some amusement.
2. Other members, who are sitting on the sidelines and reading these forums, need to have a balanced view of the subject.

yup
Hahahahaaaaaaa

[Saturna]

You have clearly made up your minds to believe whatever mystical stuff you want, despite any evidence to the contrary.

Never underestimate the want, or even need to believe.