When Honesty and Truthness Hit Hard on Skepthic's Heads

[Rudy]

Alo again J_P, you posted -->When we read how the California H3Tec rep is too poor to travel to the big upcoming H3Tec event
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Shucks, I can't go the the next Explorers club presentation dinner and they only want
$ 1,000 Us per Member, sniff But I 'believe' in the recipients claims.

Incidentally, I once met a young computer genius that wanted to sell me a computer that he was cobbling out of parts from the trunk of his car, I believe his name was DELL. He now owns the present DELL computer co. But I noticed that he was sleeping in his car, not enough $$ for a room.

SO?????

Don Jose de La Mancha

Two non sequiturs in one post. This is getting interesting.

[Qiaozhi]

At the risk of repetition:

You don't argue with True Believers, be it in politics, religion, or pseudoscience. You just try to save the uninformed from being sucked into the vortex."

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Good morning: I am a bit surprised, both were obviously specifically applicable, however in the future I will definitely specify to which point I am addressing. I assumed incorrectly that it was obvious, my appol gentlemen.

A) was in answer to the suggestion that a new post on the possible theories would be a good idea. Unfortunately I used archaic military radio terms which were used when I was flying in WW-2.

I read you 5 x 5 - "I hear you loud and clear" on a scale of 5.

Wilco = "I understand and will comply".


B) Was in reference to the H3Tec rep not having enough money to attend the sales event. It was an example that while I am a duly elected, active member of the Explorers club a $1000 dinner was a bit steep for me.

www.explorers.org

So it could easily be for the rep. just as with DEll, while he had belief in himself, he wasn't actually doing more than barely making a living on a device that later proved to be a success.


Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s. If you want To attend The dinner, let me know and I can send you as my proxy.

I exist to live , not live to exist.

[Jim]

Two non sequiturs in one post. This is getting interesting.

Oh...it get worse! Believe me.

They will spin-off about all of their great accomplishments (all non-verifiable of course) various jobs of importance, unbelievable discoveries (lost mines, lost city of Atlantis) and it NEVER stops! Add it all up, and they are over 250 years old

(Dell slept in his car....good grief)

[J_Player]

Good morning: I am a bit surprised, both were obviously specifically applicable, however in the future I will definitely specify to which point I am addressing. I assumed incorrectly that it was obvious, my appol gentlemen.

A) was in answer to the suggestion that a new post on the possible theories would be a good idea. Unfortunately I used archaic military radio terms which were used when I was flying in WW-2.
I read you 5 x 5 - "I hear you loud and clear" on a scale of 5.
Wilco = "I understand and will comply".

B) Was in reference to the H3Tec rep not having enough money to attend the sales event. It was an example that while I am a duly elected, active member of the Explorers club a $1000 dinner was a bit steep for me.
www.explorers.org
So it could easily be for the rep. just as with DEll, while he had belief in himself, he wasn't actually doing more than barely making a living on a device that later proved to be a success.

Don Jose de La Mancha
p.s. If you want To attend The dinner, let me know and I can send you as my proxy.

I exist to live , not live to exist.

Errr... It appears you did not read all the words in Rudy's post:

Two non sequiturs in one post...

This means one of your two posts contained two non sequiturs. It appears obvious that your post about the Explorers club and the owner of Dell Computers has little to do with the topic of honesty and truthfulness displayed by hung's example of an "honest and innocent" forum member who we later discovered is an H3Tec representative. This is when we uncovered what hung was concealing... how he was not honest in his representations, nor was the "honest and innocent" forum poster so honest and innocent. In fact this H3Tec rep admitted he is prejudiced to tell people the H3Tec works because he "just knows" it does without testing it.

Michael Dell does not compare to this prejudiced LRL salesman. The products that Dell sold were fully tested and found to work by most people who used them. They were not products that the manufacturers refused to submit to real testing done by independent test companies. They were not products that the manufacturers required their customers to sign confidentiality agreements before they could purchase. And they were not products that most people say do not work at all.
Further, it does not seem likely that Michael Dell was sleeping in his car or tried to sell you parts that he kept in his car. His income was more than his teachers when he was in high school, and when he began assembling computers for sale, he was a student in medical school. But maybe he did try to sell you a computer made from parts he kept in his car, and slept there too. Somehow, this does not seem relevant to an LRL salesman trying to get someone to buy a $10,000 electronic dowsing rod that most people say does not work so he can afford to drive to his company's big sales event to help sell more of them, or pretending he knows they work when he does not.

A $1000/plate dinner does not sound like the same as paying to drive to a non-working LRL company sales event either.
Nor does it have anything to do with H3Tec rep Jeff Haslett's honesty and innocence when he said:
"I don't have the slightest doubt now the H3tec works. Don't even need to test one. I simply know".

Thus we wasted another non sequitur post to explain what a non sequitur post is.
I did insert a few tidbits of the H3Tec comparison to try and keep it relevant.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Rudy]

Good morning: I am a bit surprised, both were obviously specifically applicable, however in the future I will definitely specify to which point I am addressing. I assumed incorrectly that it was obvious, my appol gentlemen.

They are non-sequiturs designed to deflect and derail J_P's central points.

Specifically: Jeff Haslett's statement that the H3Tec works, without ever testing it; and Hung's portrayal of same as that of an "honest and truthful" person, but who is actually an H3Tec representative.

Wether Dell sold PCs out of the trunk of his car, or wether you had the money to attend a fancy dinner are non-sequiturs/

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

good morning gentlemen: both replies went down nicely for a bit of humor with my morning coffee, especially swr's he he he he he.

However if you cannot connect the posts then "Es la vida, no es mi problema. C'est la Vie".
i
Incidentally, is swr posting his life's references? It certainly sounds like his life. quote -->

They will spin-off about all of their great accomplishments (all non-verifiable of course) various jobs of importance


I think that this is going to be a fun series, if this is to be an example, even if nothing of great intelligence is posted..


Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist"

[Rudy]

good morning gentlemen: both replies went down nicely for a bit of humor with my morning coffee, especially swr's he he he he he.

However if you cannot connect the posts then "Es la vida, no es mi problema. C'est la Vie".
i
Incidentally, is swr posting his life's references? It certainly sounds like his life. quote -->

They will spin-off about all of their great accomplishments (all non-verifiable of course) various jobs of importance


I think that this is going to be a fun series, if this is to be an example, even if nothing of great intelligence is posted..


Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist"

So, we have more non-sequiturs and a mild ad hominem about SWR. I am glad it helped you drink your cafe con leche but isn't it time to engage in reasonable LRL theories?

[Jim]

good morning gentlemen: both replies went down nicely for a bit of humor with my morning coffee, especially swr's he he he he he.

However if you cannot connect the posts then "Es la vida, no es mi problema. C'est la Vie".
i
Incidentally, is swr posting his life's references? It certainly sounds like his life. quote -->

They will spin-off about all of their great accomplishments (all non-verifiable of course) various jobs of importance


I think that this is going to be a fun series, if this is to be an example, even if nothing of great intelligence is posted..


Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist"

yeppers..... nothing of great intelligence here.

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

HOLA Rudy: D'accord, Estoy en acuerdo agreed. I believe that I attempted to start it off that way, no? But a certain gentleman, as usual, attempted to turn it personal.

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist"

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Gentlemen:A confirmation and parroting of my last post-->

-swr- yeppers..... nothing of great intelligence here


Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to live, not live to exist"

[J_Player]

...I think that this is going to be a fun series, if this is to be an example, even if nothing of great intelligence is posted..

Hi Mr. Don,

Maybe you missed it. Something of intelligence was posted here.
This entire thread was started by hung when he decided to show what impression the Geotech forum causes in an honest innocent outsider.
We see a post he cited from the H3Tec forum that shows how this honest innocent outsider criticizes the Geotech forum.
Then we discover this "honest innocent outsider" is actually Jeff Haslett, the H3Tec representative!

Where is the intelligence?
Hung displayed questionable intelligence to try to trick people into thinking Jeff is an "honest innocent outsider" instead of an H3Tec representative.
He tried to convince people that Geotech skeptics cause a bad impression on "honest innocent outsiders", without mentioning his example was far from being an "honest innocent outsider".
Jeff's post in the H3Tec forum looks like his defense and an explanation for why he refused to allow a double blind test of an H3Tec locator to see if it really works.
His post also looks like an excuse for why he cannot attend the big H3Tec event, as well as a lot of criticism of Geotech.
As an H3Tec representative, do you suppose he had reasons to be biased against allowing a skeptic to conduct a real double blind test, rather than watching a factory demo?
Do you suppose the H3Tec factory would allow Tim Williams or Carl-NC to hide silver coins or bars that the H3Tec cannot find again?
Since the time when the H3Tec factory reps failed to find Carl's and Tim's hidden silver at their factory demo, the owners of H3Tec have refused all offers of double blind testing done outside thier organization.

Since hung started this thread, we would expect he would show enough intelligence to choose a better example of an "honest innocent outsider" than H3Tec rep Jeff Haslett.
hung knows skeptics usually check the facts to see if they are being presented with trutful information.
Is it possible hung thought skeptics wouldn't discover that Jeff is the same H3Tec factory rep who declined Carl's test and $25,000 prize?
I doubt it.
But who knows?
Maybe hung doesn't have the intellect to figure that out.

Actually I think hung began this thread so he could post for a different reason than he stated.
But why make this post if as hung says: "I don't have hope this will reach all skeptics. Not even a few. But if by chance it reaches only one, then it will have been worth it"?
It appears he did not intend to address this post to skeptics.
It appears to be written for the benefit of the H3Tec fan boys to help bolster thier illusion that they are winning the propaganda war to convince people that the H3Tec works.
It appears he is trying to tell H3Tec worshipers that the facts Geotech posters told about H3Tec equipment are not believed by innocent outsiders who read Geotech.

While the ethics of doing this seem questionable, there is some degree of intelligence displayed.
At least an illusion of security and well-being was temporarily portrayed for the benefit of H3Tec fan boys at the time of hnug's opening post.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Morning J_P: Interesting post. I must admit to being lazy, so I haven't gone back to the first post in each series, but just picked up where I entered.

A double blind study is two edged sword. Perhaps that is why none of the Medical establishments approved Cancer treatments have 'ever' been submitted to one.

I have seen many double blind studies, almost all, being extremely flexible in wording and conditions, are effectively worthless since they can be heavily weighted towards the wishes of the interpretator for or against the object of the test..

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[J_Player]

Morning J_P: Interesting post. I must admit to being lazy, so I haven't gone back to the first post in each series, but just picked up where I entered.

A double blind study is two edged sword. Perhaps that is why none of the Medical establishments approved Cancer treatments have 'ever' been submitted to one.

I have seen many double blind studies, almost all, being extremely flexible in wording and conditions, are effectively worthless since they can be heavily weighted towards the wishes of the interpretator for or against the object of the test..

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

Hi Mr. Don,
A medical study has nothing to do with the honesty and innocence of Jeff Haslett's representations of the H3Tec LRL.
A double blind test for an LRL is a simple test where the LRL is used to find some silver that someone else hides.
It answers the question "can the H3Tec find the hidden silver or not"?
There are no control groups to go awry.
The only control is to let the factory rep confirm the H3Tec is locating silver in a known location to insure the equipment is working correctly before locating the silver in the unknown locations.

No two edge sword of interpretation here... either find the hidden silver or not.

We already saw the H3Tec was not able to find the silver that Carl-NC and Tim Williams hid during their demonstration at the Texas show.
Is it any wonder they are not interested in repeating a test they already failed?

Best wishes
J_P

P.S. Maybe you could get the idea that irrelevant examples do not work to excuse H3Tec from passing a test that any toy metal detector can pass (just a hint).

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

HIO J_P, my new friend: May I remind you that I initially stated that I have no idea if any of the devices work or not. I am not in here to prove any of them, but to discuss the potential and theories behind them. In theory they should work, but are we in a situation similar to aircraft design in 1902? None flying yet?

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist:.