Is earth NMR and dowsing related?

[Theseus]

I don't think we should lose sight of certain facts and reality.

Carl stated it very well- "It's fun to think that there is a possibility we can transmit a signal and cause a target to "ring" at some characteristic frequency. And proton mags actually do this. But only at distances of 1 inch or so. Medical NMR, with its kilowatt-level excitation coil, can detect at distances up to a foot or so. Can we make a handheld EFNMR locator that detects buried gold a mile away? 100 feet away? 1 foot away? Sorry, ain't happening."

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

HI gentlemen: to the point that you are discussing mechanical / electronic indicating devices, you are partially correct. May I ask is there a portable instrument that measures the physical movement of an object subjected to the Lunar, or other interplanitary force?

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to LIve, not live to exist".

[Tim Williams]

Ok, then without starting a debate, what you are saying is not that the earth field is causing precession in the elements scattered across the landscape.

As I understand it you are saying is you can set up a signal generator adjusted close to the frequencies that the elements would precess in a strong enough magnetic field. And when sending (broadcasting) this signal to a field where you dowse, you find a dowsing response for different materials which correspond to a precession frequency the signal generator is set to (if the material is present in the field where the signal generator is set up). Is this correct?

Or maybe you were saying the signal generator set near a material's precession frequency could be substituted for the material, and would cause a dowsing response the same as if the material were present?

Best wishes,
J_P

OK the generator sets up a like field as the element you are searching for. This is nothing new. If any targets are in the field a pattern of lines and rings like a pattern. Looks like patterns on metal of it is vibrated water or sand whatever will display according to the vibration frequency.

[J_Player]

OK the generator sets up a like field as the element you are searching for. This is nothing new. If any targets are in the field a pattern of lines and rings like a pattern. Looks like patterns on metal of it is vibrated water or sand whatever will display according to the vibration frequency.

Hi Tim,
Thanks for the explanation. Maybe it is nothing new if you knew about it from before, but it is new for anyone who hasn't read it yet. So far I have only heard vague comments of "ring theory", but never an explanation of how this theory works.

In any case, the ringing that is reported can be detected by a dowsing response, and not by electronic instruments which indicate an accurate location of the hidden object (I presume). It seems to me this method of locating things would be limited to people who receive a dowsing response when a signal generator is nearby. It would be interesting to see someone with this dowsing ability actually find objects that someone else hides.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Tim,
Thanks for the explanation. Maybe it is nothing new if you knew about it from before, but it is new for anyone who hasn't read it yet. So far I have only heard vague comments of "ring theory", but never an explanation of how this theory works.

In any case, the ringing that is reported can be detected by a dowsing response, and not by electronic instruments which indicate an accurate location of the hidden object (I presume). It seems to me this method of locating things would be limited to people who receive a dowsing response when a signal generator is nearby. It would be interesting to see someone with this dowsing ability actually find objects that someone else hides.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.

The "ring phenomenon" is detectable only at big objects at big depth and for many years burried. At small objects as coins etc i never saw the ring phenomenon. But i saw it once at big object. But the strange is that every dowser has a little different theory about it.

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.

The "ring phenomenon" is detectable only at big objects at big depth and for many years burried. At small objects as coins etc i never saw the ring phenomenon. But i saw it once at big object. But the strange is that every dowser has a little different theory about it.

Regards

Hi Geo,
This is the reason why we must hear all theories so we can archive them for future reference when the ring theory becomes part of real science.
Nobody knows when the ring theory will become part of real science, but when it does, we can use the archives we make today to separate the mistaken theories from the correct theories.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

OK the generator sets up a like field as the element you are searching for. This is nothing new. If any targets are in the field a pattern of lines and rings like a pattern. Looks like patterns on metal of it is vibrated water or sand whatever will display according to the vibration frequency.

That is pure pseudo or wish science, and has never been validated by conventional measuring instruments.

[Tim Williams]

That is pure pseudo or wish science, and has never been validated by conventional measuring instruments.

You are correct and I state that fact on my site. But that does not stop me from using a generator. It's my choice.

Tim

[Theseus]

You are correct and I state that fact on my site. But that does not stop me from using a generator. It's my choice.

Tim

Since(*) you are a dealer and manufacturer of those pseudoscience items, it might be a good idea if you always include some kind of disclaimer or statement of information stating that the "ring theory" and associated ideas are pure conjecture on your part. That way innocent folks, not knowing any better, will not come away with the notion these "rings" you talk about are based on scientific fact.

(*) since; Incidentally, in almost every instance, in your writing, and the text on your site, you mis-spell - or interchange the word "sense", when in fact you really mean "since". At first, I thought it was just a random error, but the frequency with which you do it indicates either you really don't know the difference between the two words (just because they sound similar) or you really don't know how to spell the correct word. In either case, whenever you are trying to sell a product or write a "position paper", the credibility of the writer will always suffer if they constantly display poor grammar and spelling practices. (Here is your most recent example; "I've been doing this sense 1985 and have...") Take Art for example; his credibility is zero, due almost entirely from poor writing skills, being repeatedly caught fabricating false info and accusations and in general making a complete fool of himself. Very sad... Even if he had something of a worthwhile contribution, it is totally lost in his self-made labyrinth of obfuscation and willful deceit.

[Tim Williams]

I know my spelling sucks. I'm working on it.

Tim

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Evening theseus: You posted -->That is pure pseudo or wish science, and has never been validated by conventional measuring instruments.
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and just what are you measureing and with what conventional instruments?

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[J_Player]

Evening theseus: You posted -->That is pure pseudo or wish science, and has never been validated by conventional measuring instruments.
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and just what are you measureing and with what conventional instruments?

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

Ummm...
We all know that Theseus uses conventional instruments to measure things.
What things? I don't know.
But I do know he uses instruments to measure them on account of he told stories about his years of experience in the testing industry.
If you can't believe what Theseus says about his testing experience, then what can you believe? ... HungScience?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Tim Williams]

I know why many can't see how lrl's work. I understand completely. I started out in 1985 to prove the same. I saw that there was more to this. I just got word that a cement vault was located using the lrl500. Many will say that's chance. They are clearing the vault and do have metal inside. Not to further rule out chance how deep would you dig if you were that person? 3 ft how about 80 ft! This is why I say they work. Because there's no way you can walk across the face of the earth and point to the ground and say dig here. That would be chance!

[Jim]

I know why many can't see how lrl's work. I understand completely. I started out in 1985 to prove the same. I saw that there was more to this. I just got word that a cement vault was located using the lrl500. Many will say that's chance. They are clearing the vault and do have metal inside. Not to further rule out chance how deep would you dig if you were that person? 3 ft how about 80 ft! This is why I say they work. Because there's no way you can walk across the face of the earth and point to the ground and say dig here. That would be chance!

Many can't see how LRLs work because the theory is so lame, it makes you sick to the stomach. Others can't see how LRLs work because they have seen the insides of these gimmicks, and nothing in there can physically cause a specimen to resonate.

Tim...I honestly can't believe you are so gullible that you actually believe someone found a cement vault that was NOT constructed of metal. Dollars to doughnuts...this cement vault is located in the Philippines. Add to those doughnuts...and the Filipino treasure hunters cannot break open the Japanese cement.

[Tim Williams]

Jim don't be upset because a find like this is against your belief system. I'm just saying there are people that use lrl's and are happy. I can tell by your post you know this was not chance. Jim your missing the point 80 ft deep! An anomaly was found using the lrl500 at 80 foot deep.