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[Morgan]

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What about INSIDE THE DIGITAL CAMERA ???

i believe mineoro can give some solid beeps in a large target,never in small earring,i have my experiences with mineoro and many stories of people using mineoro all over the world.

[Morgan]

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i believe mineoro can give some solid beeps in a large target,never in small earring,i have my experiences with mineoro and many stories of people using mineoro all over the world.
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In the picture ,note Alonso holding the camera.
This was the first time those buyers found something with mineoro. After buy and take LRL´s to their country they not have again this performance.This happens very often,this happens to me.
what i´m saying is just my imagination,i dont know nothing,but i found both videos suspicious.I´m wondering,Maybe i´m wrong???

[Morgan]

CONCLUSION

In the picture ,note Alonso holding the camera.
This was the first time those buyers found something with mineoro. After buy and take LRL´s to their country they not have again this performance.This happens very often,this happens to me.
what i´m saying is just my imagination,i dont know nothing,but i found both videos suspicious.I´m wondering,Maybe i´m wrong???

MY CONCLUSION

I HAVE CONFIRMATION THAT SOME MINEORO MODELS WORK AS LRL ONLY WITH LARGE AMOUNT OF PRECIOUS METALS,THIS INCLUDES SOME APRECIATED PINPOINT ABILITY.

ALL THE OBJECTS I HAVE FOUND WAS ONLY WITH MODEL DC2008,ALLWAYS WITH SPARZED SIGNALS IN THE AREA NEAR THE OBJECTS;AND NEED ALL THE TIME CONVENTIONAL MD TO PINPOINT THE TARGETS.

FINAL CONCLUSION:
MINEORO MAYBE USE SOME TRICK TO CONVINCE POTENTIAL BUYERS TO MAKE BUSINESS WITH THEM.
WHEN I LEFT BRAZIL WITH MY MINEORO I WAS CONVINCED THAT I BOUGT A REAL LRL;BUT AFTER EXTENSIVE SEARCHING OF POTENTIAL GOLD AREAS AND MOST OF THE BEST BEACH (THE MORE PRODUTIVE IN GOLD RINGS)I CANT GET GOOD RESULTS, I CONCLUDE MINEORO USE SOME KIND OF A TRICK TO DECEIVE.
OF COURSE SOME OF THE MINEORO MODELS WORK AS LRL,BUT NEVER WITH THE PERFORMANCE THEY SHOW IN THE FIELD TEST, IN GAROPABA:
I SENT EMAILS FOR MINEORO USERS IN MINEORO SITE,AND NEVER RECEIVE ANSWER.

I CHALLENGE ALL MINEORO USERS(EXCEPT HUNG) TO POST HERE THEIR EXPERIENCES AND TELL ME IF I`M WRONG.

[J_Player]

In the picture ,note Alonso holding the camera.
This was the first time those buyers found something with mineoro. After buy and take LRL´s to their country they not have again this performance.This happens very often,this happens to me.
what i´m saying is just my imagination,i dont know nothing,but i found both videos suspicious.I´m wondering,Maybe i´m wrong???

Hi Morgan,

For me it is only my imagination of how it could be done too.
But I think a lot of the videos we see from Mineoro are made for demonstation only. I think some of them are for treasures they already recovered, then they make the video after, so they are only showing the technique of making adjustments for beeping. Maybe sometimes when we hear the beeping, it is made to beep artificially only to demonstrate when we expect to hear beeps.

I think it would be better to see a Mineoro beep at a real treasure detected from 840 meters or 1200 meters distance that you can dig and keep in your collection of treasures.
Not a demonstration video only to show how factory people use the detector.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Personally i would simply put a garage door opener in my shoe

But honestly in those videos i don´t think anyone that appears on the images is doing this.

[Qiaozhi]

Personally i would simply put a garage door opener in my shoe

But honestly in those videos i don´t think anyone that appears on the images is doing this.

That was my initial thought, except you only need to put the switch in your shoe.

In the picture ,note Alonso holding the camera.
This was the first time those buyers found something with mineoro. After buy and take LRL´s to their country they not have again this performance.This happens very often,this happens to me.
what i´m saying is just my imagination,i dont know nothing,but i found both videos suspicious.I´m wondering,Maybe i´m wrong???

The idea of putting the transmitter inside the video camera would be a clever trick, as no-one would be suspicious of the camera man. To make the demonstration convincing, you would need to have all the Mineoro employees working together. The camera man triggers the beeping, Alonso (in conjunction with the potential customer) operates the FG90, and the assistant does the sleight of hand by dropping the small target into the hole. They've obviously had plenty of practice.

[J_Player]

MY CONCLUSION

I HAVE CONFIRMATION THAT SOME MINEORO MODELS WORK AS LRL ONLY WITH LARGE AMOUNT OF PRECIOUS METALS,THIS INCLUDES SOME APRECIATED PINPOINT ABILITY.

ALL THE OBJECTS I HAVE FOUND WAS ONLY WITH MODEL DC2008,ALLWAYS WITH SPARZED SIGNALS IN THE AREA NEAR THE OBJECTS;AND NEED ALL THE TIME CONVENTIONAL MD TO PINPOINT THE TARGETS.

FINAL CONCLUSION:
MINEORO MAYBE USE SOME TRICK TO CONVINCE POTENTIAL BUYERS TO MAKE BUSINESS WITH THEM.
WHEN I LEFT BRAZIL WITH MY MINEORO I WAS CONVINCED THAT I BOUGT A REAL LRL;BUT AFTER EXTENSIVE SEARCHING OF POTENTIAL GOLD AREAS AND MOST OF THE BEST BEACH (THE MORE PRODUTIVE IN GOLD RINGS)I CANT GET GOOD RESULTS, I CONCLUDE MINEORO USE SOME KIND OF A TRICK TO DECEIVE.
OF COURSE SOME OF THE MINEORO MODELS WORK AS LRL,BUT NEVER WITH THE PERFORMANCE THEY SHOW IN THE FIELD TEST, IN GAROPABA:
I SENT EMAILS FOR MINEORO USERS IN MINEORO SITE,AND NEVER RECEIVE ANSWER.

I CHALLENGE ALL MINEORO USERS(EXCEPT HUNG) TO POST HERE THEIR EXPERIENCES AND TELL ME IF I`M WRONG.

Hi Morgan,

A lot of users of Mineoro already posted their experiences here. You can read them in the forum here:

Here is what you and Geo reported from Portugal to be convinced Mineoro LRLs are not detecting long range:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=118690&postcount=78

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=122223&postcount=111

Here is Carl-NCs report of how he could not detect anyting with his Mineoro LRL including the gold plate that came with the locator or his 10 oz gold bar:

http://geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=47468&postcount=32

Here is one of neronc's posts saying he bought a Mineoro LRL that never detected anything at all, not even the gold plate they sent with the locator, and the factory never answered his emails... http://geotech1.com/forums/showpost....&postcount=119

Here is where Connie said she really had a brain wash from Brazil when she bought a Mineoro LRL. Maybe she wonders if the Mineoro LRLs only work when they are being demonstrated at the factory...

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96087&postcount=86

Here is what vcrb posted. He said his Mineoro LRL does not work in any weather condition on any day...

http://geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=47501&postcount=49

Here is one of Michael's reports of how he found no detection at all with Mineoro LRLs after one year of trying...

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96118&postcount=90

Here is where we finally learn the real reason why Gibon sold his Mineoro LRL...

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=116404&postcount=107

Here is what Alexismex wrote about his experience with Mineoro LRLs before he made photos of what is really inside...

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12061

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12165

Maybe these people can come back and give us newer updates to tell if they found any good detection with Mineoro LRLs recently.
Or maybe they can see if their Mineoro will beep when they push the button on their keychain to unlock the door for their car.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

That was my initial thought, except you only need to put the switch in your shoe.

Thank you to be so kind when telling me how i lack imagination

The idea of putting the transmitter inside the video camera would be a clever trick, as no-one would be suspicious of the camera man. (...)

Yes , but I rejected it after seeing the detector beeping while Patricia was looking elsewhere and talking with someone.That would let only the guy shooting the video to be the culprit ...

Or maybe they can see if their Mineoro will beep when they push the button on their keychain to unlock the door for their car.
Best wishes,J_P

Personaly i am more interested i knowing why it does beep in those videos.

[Qiaozhi]

Thank you to be so kind when telling me how i lack imagination

I was only thinking of your well being. It would be very uncomfortable to walk around with a garage door opener in your shoe.

Yes , but I rejected it after seeing the detector beeping while Patricia was looking elsewhere and talking with someone. That would let only the guy shooting the video to be the culprit ...

Yes - that would make him the beeping culprit.
But the others are there to enhance the illusion, such as surreptitiously planting the "treasure" in the hole and helping with the search.

[J_Player]

...Personaly i am more interested i knowing why it does beep in those videos.

Hi Fred,

If you remember the circuit Geo posted for the FG79 had a VLF loop tuned at about 260 KHz feeding to the first stage transistor. Then when this signal reached the collector of the next stage, there is what looks like a 60 KHz collpitts oscillator. Any noise coming in to the first stage can set this thing off.
But what noise?
Ion chamber?
Doubtful.... it can only respond to radiation, not a distant ion neutralizing. And if it did respond to radiation, the impedance is not right to pass a signal to Q1.
So what's left?

The big loop tuned to 260 KHz can collect noise, and the conductors around the base of Q1 might be able to. ---- and the positive feedback and the oscillator at the next stage which feed back.
But what would cause this kind of stray noise?
Maybe a VLF transmitter used to open a garage door?
Or a transmitter used to unlock a car door from the key ring?

Or maybe airborne electrical noise in the vicinity?

The FG79 has this odd VLF receiver with a lower frequency VLF oscillator, but other Mineoro designs have actual modified metal detector circuits in them. It begins to seem similar to the Alonso pistol detector, except with an ion chamber to reduce the performance. Could it be that whatever caused the Alonso PD to beep at Morgan's gold medal from 2 meters also caused the FG90 to beep at a nearby ear ring?

And what would that be?
An unshielded metal detector that picks up more sensitive signals at a farther range, at the expense of picking up a lot of faint noise signals? And we also see how it begins to beep more when they hold a metal antenna pointed down at the location where the treasure is buried. Could it be there is some VLF broadcast interference that is being picked up as an electric signal which is normally shielded on a normal metal detector?
Possibly a distant thunder storm, hundreds or thousands of miles away which is detected as small spikes in the RF? Then the nearby metal helps to boost the signal up enough to register a beep?

So far, all of the Mineoro detectors I have seen work on VLF frequencies. It seems they all have a VLF oscillator inside, and a VLF receiver, which appears to be responsive to broadband noise. But this is simply how it seems to me. It could actually be some rocket science we are looking at behind those BC548 transistors.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

I SENT EMAILS FOR MINEORO USERS IN MINEORO SITE,AND NEVER RECEIVE ANSWER.

I CHALLENGE ALL MINEORO USERS(EXCEPT HUNG) TO POST HERE THEIR EXPERIENCES AND TELL ME IF I`M WRONG.

[J_Player]

[Qiaozhi]

[J_Player]

[Morgan]

MINEORO

I try to make MINEORO sounds with many device(car locked dors device) and this not make the MINEORO beep...
One metal detector switched ON,can make MINEORO sounds but not more than 1m distance.
The mobile the same,but only when is receiving.