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[J_Player]

I try to make MINEORO sounds with many device(car locked dors device) and this not make the MINEORO beep...
One metal detector switched ON,can make MINEORO sounds but not more than 1m distance.
The mobile the same,but only when is receiving.

Hi Morgan,

This is interesting. I think Geo reported his Mineoro will beep when he pushes the transmitter button to make a garage door open. When we check the garage door button transmitters, we find they are made to work at frequencies from 300 MHz to 400 MHz, and can be different in different countries. Even in the same country we can see a lot of different transmitters that can be used. For example, in the USA, the Genie garage door opener company will sell you any of these frequencies:
290, 295, 300, 305, 310, 315, 320, 325 or 390 MHz

http://www.geniedoor.com/faq.htm#f

And there are a lot more frequencies for garage door transmitters used in this range. If Geo sees his Mineoro locator beeping at a garage door transmitter, then maybe it is sensitive to short bursts in the 300-400MHz range. Or maybe it is picking up some modulation from this burst. Maybe it depends on the digital code that is programmed to open the door.

Here is another experiment to try:
Get a piezoelectric cigarette lighter that makes a spark when you light it. Let's see how far the Mineoro can detect this spark.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

In Europe they all are working at 433.92 mhz, and more recently in the 800mhz band.
Anyway looking at the video i could not find any evidence of someone using such a transmitter.

[J_Player]

In Europe they all are working at 433.92 mhz, and more recently in the 800mhz band.
Anyway looking at the video i could not find any evidence of someone using such a transmitter.

Hi Fred,

If we think about it, Alonso and other factory workers know how to build a small VLF transmitter that sends a signal at the same frequency as the Mineoro locator loop is tuned to.
And I am sure they know how to make this transmitter as small as a garage door opener transmitter that they can hide in thier shoe or pocket.
The question is whether this is what they did.
Did they do this to make Mineoro locators beep for demonstration videos?
Did they do it to help sell Mineoro locators?
Did they do it in the videos we are watching?

I couldn't find any evidence of someone using such a transmitter either.
Could it be that Qiaozhi is right?
Maybe the guy holding the camera is operating the transmitter?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Could it be that Qiaozhi is right?
Maybe the guy holding the camera is operating the transmitter?

I'm not saying that this is actually what's happening in the video. It was just one possible method that could be used to trick a potential customer into thinking the device was able to detect treasure at long range.

The problem is that no-one else seems to be able to duplicate what happens in the videos when the Mineoro people are not present. Perhaps it's just the difference between a demo and real life?

[J_Player]

I'm not saying that this is actually what's happening in the video. It was just one possible method that could be used to trick a potential customer into thinking the device was able to detect treasure at long range.

The problem is that no-one else seems to be able to duplicate what happens in the videos when the Mineoro people are not present. Perhaps it's just the difference between a demo and real life?

Hmmm...

Connie said she really got a brain wash from Brazil...
She went to the factory and saw a demonstration in real life, and then she went home with a Mineoro LRL in real life.
Then she was not able to see the performance she saw at the demonstration in real life.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Hi JP,
Yes technically it is very easy, and you can find super small TX modules everywhere on ebay for example and on different frequencies.
But that doesn´t explain why the detector beeps in those particular videos, and it is what i would like to understand , like i said.
In fact it can pinpoint very well, but we can reject the fact that it works on a regular MD principle, because when wandering over watches, rings, cellphones and cameras, it doesn´t beep at all. This is why i observed that it only beeps when one gives attention to it and expect it to do so.
There are more strange behaviors i remarked, but details only.

Hi Fred,
If we think about it, Alonso and other factory workers know how to build a small VLF transmitter that sends a signal at the same frequency as the Mineoro locator loop is tuned to. J_P

[Morgan]

CONNIE

Hmmm...

Connie said she really got a brain wash from Brazil...
She went to the factory and saw a demonstration in real life, and then she went home with a Mineoro LRL in real life.
Then she was not able to see the performance she saw at the demonstration in real life.


Best wishes,
J_P

I was in Garopaba at the same time as Connie. She was with Damasio and write all the informations about Mineoro in the notebook. She was very persistent at the point to ask all the informations about LRL distance,umidity conditions etc etc,i was near and laugh,i said we dont need all this instruments to measure umidity,just go out for TH in a suny day,but she said what Damasio tell is very IMPORTANT for a sucessful treasure find with MINEORO.
After all ,she only get a brain wash from Brazil and heavy sun in her red hair and withe skin...

[Morgan]

MINEORO em França

Hi JP,
Yes technically it is very easy, and you can find super small TX modules everywhere on ebay for example and on different frequencies.
But that doesn´t explain why the detector beeps in those particular videos, and it is what i would like to understand , like i said.
In fact it can pinpoint very well, but we can reject the fact that it works on a regular MD principle, because when wandering over watches, rings, cellphones and cameras, it doesn´t beep at all. This is why i observed that it only beeps when one gives attention to it and expect it to do so.
There are more strange behaviors i remarked, but details only.

Hi Fred

If you want i can give to you the contact for you to speak with the french man,this one from the LRL videos,and maybe you can learn more about what hapens there in the forest.
He is a metal detector dealer,he ask Alonso for demonstrate his LRL products in Europe. I dont know if they make a deal or not.
Also see the thread from Gibon.

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi Fred

If you want i can give to you the contact for you to speak with the french man,this one from the LRL videos,and maybe you can learn more about what hapens there in the forest.
He is a metal detector dealer,he ask Alonso for demonstrate his LRL products in Europe. I dont know if they make a deal or not.
Also see the thread from Gibon.

Regards

Hi Mprgan,

When you test the best Mineoro locators that you have used in Europe, for an average sunny day of treasure hunting, did you find the same detection performance as you see in the French videos?

Do you see better performance than you see Alonso and the French treasure hunters finding?
Do you see worse performance as you see Alonso and the French treasure hunters finding?
Do you see the same performance as you see Alonso and the French treasure hunters finding?

Which of the Mineoro locators you used with your own hands in Europe finds the best performance?
Which of the Mineoro locators you used with your own hands in Europe finds the worst performance?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi.

I'll tell you an experience with my Mineoro PDC210 Super. There is a point on the roadside in a village where there are many ancient tombs. In one of these points i took a mark with Iconos. Depending on the temperature and humidity could find the point by a distance of 3 .... 80 meters. Tried two different days to locate the point with the Mineoro but not succeeded even above the point. Although for me they are both electrostatic detectors do not understand why Iconos locates the point while the Mineoro not.

Regards

[Geo]

Hi Mprgan,

When you test the best Mineoro locators that you have used in Europe, for an average sunny day of treasure hunting, did you find the same detection performance as you see in the French videos?

Do you see better performance than you see Alonso and the French treasure hunters finding? No
Do you see worse performance as you see Alonso and the French treasure hunters finding? Yes
Do you see the same performance as you see Alonso and the French treasure hunters finding? No

Which of the Mineoro locators you used with your own hands in Europe finds the best performance?
Which of the Mineoro locators you used with your own hands in Europe finds the worst performance?



Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
Red letters are my answer from my experience.

Regards

[Morgan]

MINEORO

Hi Mprgan,

When you test the best Mineoro locators that you have used in Europe, for an average sunny day of treasure hunting, did you find the same detection performance as you see in the French videos?

Do you see better performance than you see Alonso and the French treasure hunters finding?
Do you see worse performance as you see Alonso and the French treasure hunters finding?
Do you see the same performance as you see Alonso and the French treasure hunters finding?

Which of the Mineoro locators you used with your own hands in Europe finds the best performance?
Which of the Mineoro locators you used with your own hands in Europe finds the worst performance?


Best wishes,
J_P

Here is the list of MINEORO MODELS i try in Europe in good sunny day:

PDC210

DCH85

DC2006

DC2008

FG80


No one detect target like we see in the Mineoro video,and with DC2006 model i never find any signals,is a quiet LRL.
FG80 belongs to Connie,and she did not find any targets...

This is why i find the FG90 with some tricky transmiter operating somewere.

[Morgan]

Mineoro

Hi Mprgan,

When you test the best Mineoro locators that you have used in Europe, for an average sunny day of treasure hunting, did you find the same detection performance as you see in the French videos?

Do you see better performance than you see Alonso and the French treasure hunters finding?
Do you see worse performance as you see Alonso and the French treasure hunters finding?
Do you see the same performance as you see Alonso and the French treasure hunters finding?

Which of the Mineoro locators you used with your own hands in Europe finds the best performance?
Which of the Mineoro locators you used with your own hands in Europe finds the worst performance?


Best wishes,
J_P

Same performance NO,but the small gold earing i can locate with PD not more than 2 meter,is very small object.With FG90 i see maybe 5 m ?

[Morgan]

ICONOS

Hi J_P.
Red letters are my answer from my experience.

Regards

Hello

And do you think the ICONOS is locating the ancient tombs or maybe some powerline???

I see big diference between PDC210 Super and the later Mineoro models,the first one is much more sensitive to power lines,this is why we not try this model when you was in my country. If i turn ON the PDC start beeps imediatly,to test this LRL i need more than 100m away from any electrical source.

[J_Player]

Hello

And do you think the ICONOS is locating the ancient tombs or maybe some powerline???

I see big diference between PDC210 Super and the later Mineoro models,the first one is much more sensitive to power lines,this is why we not try this model when you was in my country. If i turn ON the PDC start beeps imediatly,to test this LRL i need more than 100m away from any electrical source.

I see videos of good Mineoro performance only when Alonso and other people from the factory are in the video.

Maybe it is better to use dowsing rods.
With dowsing rods you can also watch them point to the direction of power lines and empty holes.
But at least the dowsing rod does not give you a wallet washing.

When you hunt for treasure the idea is to look at your wallet at the end of the year and see how your wallet has more money, not less.



Best wishes,
J_P