PD Discussions

[Morgan]

!!!

I see videos of good Mineoro performance only when Alonso and other people from the factory are in the video.

Maybe it is better to use dowsing rods.
With dowsing rods you can also watch them point to the direction of power lines and empty holes.
But at least the dowsing rod does not give you a wallet washing.

When you hunt for treasure the idea is to look at your wallet at the end of the year and see how your wallet has more money, not less.



Best wishes,
J_P

Yes,the ideia is :

Become rich or get out of treasure hunting

[Morgan]

Alonso´s FG90

I see videos of good Mineoro performance only when Alonso and other people from the factory are in the video.

Maybe it is better to use dowsing rods.
With dowsing rods you can also watch them point to the direction of power lines and empty holes.
But at least the dowsing rod does not give you a wallet washing.

When you hunt for treasure the idea is to look at your wallet at the end of the year and see how your wallet has more money, not less.



Best wishes,
J_P

Anyway i believe if Alonso is doing some trick in this FG90 video ,is only to convice people to buy MINEORO products. I know some models work and can find gold,but the propaganda for the performance is allways EXAGERATE.

[J_Player]

Yes,the ideia is :

Become rich or get out of treasure hunting

Hi Morgan,

Thank you for answering my post.
I am happy to see your idea of many gold coins.
I have discovered that it is a hard life for me to work for paying bills.
The economy is bad, and it is difficult for me to make any progress in these troubling times.

I see the gold coins you show and I am happy for you.
I am wondering if you need a house pet?
I can travel to where you are, and I can be an excellent house pet for you.
But that's not all....
I am clean..!
I will polish all your gold treasures every day.
And I will count all your coins to make sure none of them get lost.
I can even polish your gold statues.

Do you need a house pet that helps with your treasures?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hello

And do you think the ICONOS is locating the ancient tombs or maybe some powerline???

I see big diference between PDC210 Super and the later Mineoro models,the first one is much more sensitive to power lines,this is why we not try this model when you was in my country. If i turn ON the PDC start beeps imediatly,to test this LRL i need more than 100m away from any electrical source.

Hello Morgan.
At those case Iconos located the ancient tombs. Of course it was very sensitive to power lines but i know it. Now about the PDC210... it was the only Mineoro that i owned so i can't compare it with other models except an older PDC205 from a friend. Both mineoro.... no results.

Regards

[J_Player]

...Both mineoro.... no results.
Regards

What? No resuts?

I want my money back..!


Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

What? No resuts?

I want my money back..!

Hi J_P

Look carefully at answer of mineoro team:

[Qiaozhi]

Anyway i believe if Alonso is doing some trick in this FG90 video ,is only to convice people to buy MINEORO products. I know some models work and can find gold,but the propaganda for the performance is allways EXAGERATE.

Hi Morgan,

How do you know this? From your own personal experience, and the results of others, the evidence seems to deny this claim.

[Morgan]

House Pet

Hi Morgan,

Thank you for answering my post.
I am happy to see your idea of many gold coins.
I have discovered that it is a hard life for me to work for paying bills.
The economy is bad, and it is difficult for me to make any progress in these troubling times.

I see the gold coins you show and I am happy for you.
I am wondering if you need a house pet?
I can travel to where you are, and I can be an excellent house pet for you.
But that's not all....
I am clean..!
I will polish all your gold treasures every day.
And I will count all your coins to make sure none of them get lost.
I can even polish your gold statues.

Do you need a house pet that helps with your treasures?

Best wishes,
J_P

Well,i already have Gollum as a pet and to clean all the treasures,but this is a question of time,he is thinking travel to Brazil,he saw Hung´s GOLD RING !!!

[Morgan]

MINEORO

Hi Morgan,

How do you know this? From your own personal experience, and the results of others, the evidence seems to deny this claim.

I know people who found values.

And i found a few objects with DC2008,only this model work for me.

BUT RESULTS ARE VERY BAD,NO PINPOINT ABILITY,COMPLETLY DIFERENT FROM WHAT WE SEE IN ALONSO´S FG90 VIDEO .

[J_Player]

Hi Morgan,
I am happy to see Gollum is taking good care of your treasures.
He seems like a very nice and friendly house pet.

I know people who found values.
And i found a few objects with DC2008,only this model work for me.
BUT RESULTS ARE VERY BAD,NO PINPOINT ABILITY,COMPLETLY DIFERENT FROM WHAT WE SEE IN ALONSO´S FG90 VIDEO.

The answer may be simpler than a hidden transmitter.
If you read back in the history of Mineoro users posts here at Geotech, you will find some clues.

If we look back to the year 2006, hung was telling everyone how wonderful Mineoro locators are, and especially the new FG80 model which detects fresh gold, and has longer range and better precision.
At the same time when we were reading hungs propagandas, michael, neronc, and several others bought new FG80s. Even Carl bought one to test.

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=47357#post47357

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=47382#post47382

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=44933#post44966

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=44592#post44592

Then we began to hear some real field reports of how they work.
At first, we were hearing the buyers of the FG80 were confused because these detectors did not work like they saw in the videos.
We heard stories that they are not detecting the gold plate that Mineoro sent for a test sample.
And we heard reports they do not detect other gold even when it has been buried a long time, which was easily detected by other machines like metal detectors.
They even dug up these gold targets to prove the gold was there.

It is hard to read these posts, because they are sad.
You begin seeing how treasure hunters are reading hung's posts and are asking to hear more good things about the Mineoro locators.
Then hung tells them more good things, while at the same time Qiahozi, Carl, vcrb, Ivconic, SWR, Robert, and many others are telling them Mineoro does not work.
But these treasure hunters were hoping everyone else is wrong and hung is right, because they want to get a locator to find treasures from long range.

mosha: "I bought DC2007 before two months but there is no success yet!"

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=45337#post45337

Qiaozhi: "There are a few fanatical, closed minded members in the Dowsing/LRL group irrationaly preaching Pseudoscience, just as there are in every religeon."
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=49445#post49445

Robert: "
Haow many more lies from you Hung!?????
Why dont you tell to people here what is your salary at mineoro!?
Stop spreading lies and nonsence advertisments here!
Drop dead!
"

http://www.geptech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44665#post44665

Next we read posts from treasure hunters saying they believe the stories of wonderful long range detection, and they send their money to Mineoro.
They are excited while they wait for their new FG80s to arrive.

michael: "...Hung, Of course you are professional, know these and no need to remember them.It's only a suggestion and am sure you will forgive my impudence with your greatness....
...Thank you Hung for your explanations. Of course you are right, but this case is a little different of automobiles.
you are the only man at least I can have a reliable connection to mineoro by him and have daily and reliable info of their latest acts...
...Yes, you are right. it's obvious. but I mean it would be better you enter to digging phase...
...Hung, good and encouragous news. I hope is so. Of course your own test or founds are another thing and as a document for us (at least for me cose I believe in you)..."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44652#post44652

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44810#post44810

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44952#post44952

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44965#post44965

Then we read posts when their new FG80 arrives...
It seems the treasure hunters are confused because they do not see their FG80s work like they saw in the videos, and like hung told them they would work.
We read how Mineoro is not answering their emails, and we begin to see posts where they are asking someone to help to get their Mineoro locators to work like they saw in the videos.
We begin to read reports of random beeping, or not beeping when gold is placed near.
The actual field results they report are beginning to sound like the same warnings we heard from Qiaozhi, Carl, vcrb, Ivconic, SWR, Robert, and the others...

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47567#post47567

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=48814#post48814

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50278#post50278

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50315#post50315

neronc: "I received mine one month ago and not middle to make operate it. I made my tests to 40% of humidity.
Besides I made the tests in a land where I found a lot of gold Gallic pieces. I even make the test with the cool gold and always nothing.
Can you tell myself if there is one special way to adjust it because I don't know what i'm doing bad. "
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44988#post44988

Then we read forum posts from the same treasure hunters who are saying they do not believe their Mineoro loctors are helping them to find treasure, and they sell their FG80s.
What is sad is they believed people who told them these are wonderful working long range locators, and they believed so strongly that they spent 8000 eu, only to learn they believed the wrong stories.
They could have saved their 8000 eu to use for other treasure hunting equipment that really does work.

from michael: "...at this day sometimes FG80 was unstable, behaved crazily; went out of adjustment and beeped continuously or randomly, what was the real reason, I don't know.
I think this device is somehow faulty and behaves like what had read about FG78..."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50278#post50278

from neronc: "...Mineoro sent me an automatic Fg80 and this one doesn't react anymore of the all.
They explain that it sounds on the electric circuits and on the grooves provided gold with......... nothing, more of reaction of the all.
I find incredible that Mineoro provides you a device that doesn't work.
Does this device have of the to be tested before its departure of the factory????..."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p-50315#post50315

from Seeker: "Poor, poor neronc ! To spend 7500 Euro for nothing !
For that money you can buy 5 excellent MD or one GPR !
So, what deal !"

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50318#post50318

from michael: "...If I hadn't seen found treasures by LRLs ,I would never have bought FG80, anyway it is a new experience albeit maybe thoroughly useless..."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47738#post47738

This appears to be a case where we can see it does not matter if you warn people or not.
When the element of treasure enters the picture, people are anxious to believe things and take chances that they will not take if treasure is not part of the formula to decide.


But what about the mystery of the beeping in the videos?
How can the videos show a different performance than these treasure hunters found with the same locators?
I see no signs of a transmitter in the videos.
What made the locators beep at the times when they did?

An answer can be found from Alexismex back in 2006 during one of his treasure hunting expeditions....
"...For the Mineoro Fg80 we make many test: east west north south , trim the control another and another and another time , waiting for warming electronic...,we have "fresh gold" to test ,from 1 inch to several feet no response , NEVER ONE TIME , sometime when you move the test card you have a beep ...
but shure when you want a beep you must lower towards to the earth, shure you have your beep...."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47559#post47559

We also see these clues in Carl's post:
"...I can hold the FG80 horizontal and adjust the threshold to where the beeping just stops. Then, no matter where I'm at, if I point it downward, it starts beeping. Same thing with pointing it upward"....

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47488#post47488

We also see a clue in hung's post:
"...2 - Bad calibration. You have to practice..."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47478#post47478

What?
The trick is to turn the FG80 toward the ground to get it to beep?
Does this mean that with some practice, you could adjust the sensitivity control to a point where you could get it to beep when you tilt your hand slightly to capture more of the ground influence?

Maybe a hidden transmitter is not needed to make it beep?
Maybe gold is not needed to make it beep?
Maybe only the ground is needed to make it beep, after some careful adjustments and hand movements?

It looks like Alexismex did a lot of testing with the Mineoro locators at a treasure site where he had 3 GPRs and other detectors.
And it looks like he told us the same things that Morgan is telling us.
Maybe he and Carl figured out how to cause Mineoro locators to beep in a way that nobody will notice...


Best wishes,
J_P

p.s. Say hi to Gollum for me.

[J_Player]

Hi J_P

Look carefully at answer of mineoro team:

Hi WM6,
You are right. All answers are given by the Mineoro team. We only need to look carefully:

[Geo]

Hi J_P

Probably the test device may not be the same as those that sells the Mineoro. A UHF 2BOX could detect these objects at a very small depth (10..20cm) as at the test.

Regards

[Morgan]

PD & MINEORO discussions

Hi Morgan,
I am happy to see Gollum is taking good care of your treasures.
He seems like a very nice and friendly house pet.

The answer may be simpler than a hidden transmitter.
If you read back in the history of Mineoro users posts here at Geotech, you will find some clues.

If we look back to the year 2006, hung was telling everyone how wonderful Mineoro locators are, and especially the new FG80 model which detects fresh gold, and has longer range and better precision.
At the same time when we were reading hungs propagandas, michael, neronc, and several others bought new FG80s. Even Carl bought one to test.

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=47357#post47357

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=47382#post47382

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=44933#post44966

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=44592#post44592

Then we began to hear some real field reports of how they work.
At first, we were hearing the buyers of the FG80 were confused because these detectors did not work like they saw in the videos.
We heard stories that they are not detecting the gold plate that Mineoro sent for a test sample.
And we heard reports they do not detect other gold even when it has been buried a long time, which was easily detected by other machines like metal detectors.
They even dug up these gold targets to prove the gold was there.

It is hard to read these posts, because they are sad.
You begin seeing how treasure hunters are reading hung's posts and are asking to hear more good things about the Mineoro locators.
Then hung tells them more good things, while at the same time Qiahozi, Carl, vcrb, Ivconic, SWR, Robert, and many others are telling them Mineoro does not work.
But these treasure hunters were hoping everyone else is wrong and hung is right, because they want to get a locator to find treasures from long range.

mosha: "I bought DC2007 before two months but there is no success yet!"

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=45337#post45337

Qiaozhi: "There are a few fanatical, closed minded members in the Dowsing/LRL group irrationaly preaching Pseudoscience, just as there are in every religeon."
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=49445#post49445

Robert: "
Haow many more lies from you Hung!?????
Why dont you tell to people here what is your salary at mineoro!?
Stop spreading lies and nonsence advertisments here!
Drop dead!
"

http://www.geptech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44665#post44665

Next we read posts from treasure hunters saying they believe the stories of wonderful long range detection, and they send their money to Mineoro.
They are excited while they wait for their new FG80s to arrive.

michael: "...Hung, Of course you are professional, know these and no need to remember them.It's only a suggestion and am sure you will forgive my impudence with your greatness....
...Thank you Hung for your explanations. Of course you are right, but this case is a little different of automobiles.
you are the only man at least I can have a reliable connection to mineoro by him and have daily and reliable info of their latest acts...
...Yes, you are right. it's obvious. but I mean it would be better you enter to digging phase...
...Hung, good and encouragous news. I hope is so. Of course your own test or founds are another thing and as a document for us (at least for me cose I believe in you)..."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44652#post44652

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44810#post44810

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44952#post44952

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44965#post44965

Then we read posts when their new FG80 arrives...
It seems the treasure hunters are confused because they do not see their FG80s work like they saw in the videos, and like hung told them they would work.
We read how Mineoro is not answering their emails, and we begin to see posts where they are asking someone to help to get their Mineoro locators to work like they saw in the videos.
We begin to read reports of random beeping, or not beeping when gold is placed near.
The actual field results they report are beginning to sound like the same warnings we heard from Qiaozhi, Carl, vcrb, Ivconic, SWR, Robert, and the others...

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47567#post47567

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=48814#post48814

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50278#post50278

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50315#post50315

neronc: "I received mine one month ago and not middle to make operate it. I made my tests to 40% of humidity.
Besides I made the tests in a land where I found a lot of gold Gallic pieces. I even make the test with the cool gold and always nothing.
Can you tell myself if there is one special way to adjust it because I don't know what i'm doing bad. "
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44988#post44988

Then we read forum posts from the same treasure hunters who are saying they do not believe their Mineoro loctors are helping them to find treasure, and they sell their FG80s.
What is sad is they believed people who told them these are wonderful working long range locators, and they believed so strongly that they spent 8000 eu, only to learn they believed the wrong stories.
They could have saved their 8000 eu to use for other treasure hunting equipment that really does work.

from michael: "...at this day sometimes FG80 was unstable, behaved crazily; went out of adjustment and beeped continuously or randomly, what was the real reason, I don't know.
I think this device is somehow faulty and behaves like what had read about FG78..."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50278#post50278

from neronc: "...Mineoro sent me an automatic Fg80 and this one doesn't react anymore of the all.
They explain that it sounds on the electric circuits and on the grooves provided gold with......... nothing, more of reaction of the all.
I find incredible that Mineoro provides you a device that doesn't work.
Does this device have of the to be tested before its departure of the factory????..."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p-50315#post50315

from Seeker: "Poor, poor neronc ! To spend 7500 Euro for nothing !
For that money you can buy 5 excellent MD or one GPR !
So, what deal !"

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50318#post50318

from michael: "...If I hadn't seen found treasures by LRLs ,I would never have bought FG80, anyway it is a new experience albeit maybe thoroughly useless..."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47738#post47738

This appears to be a case where we can see it does not matter if you warn people or not.
When the element of treasure enters the picture, people are anxious to believe things and take chances that they will not take if treasure is not part of the formula to decide.


But what about the mystery of the beeping in the videos?
How can the videos show a different performance than these treasure hunters found with the same locators?
I see no signs of a transmitter in the videos.
What made the locators beep at the times when they did?

An answer can be found from Alexismex back in 2006 during one of his treasure hunting expeditions....
"...For the Mineoro Fg80 we make many test: east west north south , trim the control another and another and another time , waiting for warming electronic...,we have "fresh gold" to test ,from 1 inch to several feet no response , NEVER ONE TIME , sometime when you move the test card you have a beep ...
but shure when you want a beep you must lower towards to the earth, shure you have your beep...."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47559#post47559

We also see these clues in Carl's post:
"...I can hold the FG80 horizontal and adjust the threshold to where the beeping just stops. Then, no matter where I'm at, if I point it downward, it starts beeping. Same thing with pointing it upward"....

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47488#post47488

We also see a clue in hung's post:
"...2 - Bad calibration. You have to practice..."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47478#post47478

What?
The trick is to turn the FG80 toward the ground to get it to beep?
Does this mean that with some practice, you could adjust the sensitivity control to a point where you could get it to beep when you tilt your hand slightly to capture more of the ground influence?

Maybe a hidden transmitter is not needed to make it beep?
Maybe gold is not needed to make it beep?
Maybe only the ground is needed to make it beep, after some careful adjustments and hand movements?

It looks like Alexismex did a lot of testing with the Mineoro locators at a treasure site where he had 3 GPRs and other detectors.
And it looks like he told us the same things that Morgan is telling us.
Maybe he and Carl figured out how to cause Mineoro locators to beep in a way that nobody will notice...


Best wishes,
J_P

p.s. Say hi to Gollum for me.

Hi J_P

First of all thanks for this complete explanations about MINEORO products,and i´m sorry to talk about mineoro in a thread about PD discussions,anyway both LRL are Alonsos invention,so,they are connected.
Maybe you are rigth,and pointing MINEORO (when very sensitive )to ground horizontaly WE GET THE BEEP,then a magical HAND MOVEMENT insert the SMALL OBJECT in the REMOVED GROUND,et voilá ,ah ah ah,GREAT ALONSO this is one possibility.

But what i saw in MINEORO field test WAS DIFERENT,well acording to weather conditions Damasio told i can get 50cm,1m,2m or even 20m in the gold objects hide in his field test.BUT EVEN IN SUNNY DAYS I NEVER GET MORE THAN 1m to 4m IN MINEORO FIELD,SO HOW MINEORO CLAIM THE FG80 CAN FIND SMALL OBJECT 30m--300m ???,A COMPLET NONSENSE !!!
Connie´s husband is spanish and talk directly to Alonso,ask this question,Alonso said MINEORO as LIMITED distances as LRL and Damasio EXTEND THIS LIMITATIONS to a promotional and marketing process TO INCREASE SALES.~
Of course ALONSO is not inocent,he can tell the true in MINEORO SITE,but he stay quiet.

MINEORO LRL´s are very EXPENSIVE,they not work as advertised,so they must reduce the price,or stop sales !!!

OTHER IMPORTANT INFORMATION,i know a french man who bougth one MINEORO,i think the FG80,he told me have found one treasure 40m distance,umidity 20%,depth 60cm,GREAT NEWS,at the same time he was in the same area and not get signals with MINEORO in other gold objects that he recovered later with his Pulse Induction detector...

So,MINEORO NOT LOCATE ALL GOLD ALLOYS ??? IT NEEDS SPECIAL GOLD ?


Regards

[WM6]

MINEORO LRL´s are very EXPENSIVE,they not work as advertised,so they must reduce the price,or stop sales !!!

Respect!

[Fred]

Works fine on the videos, what do they need more?