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[J_Player]

Hi J_P

...But what i saw in MINEORO field test WAS DIFERENT,well acording to weather conditions Damasio told i can get 50cm,1m,2m or even 20m in the gold objects hide in his field test.BUT EVEN IN SUNNY DAYS I NEVER GET MORE THAN 1m to 4m IN MINEORO FIELD,SO HOW MINEORO CLAIM THE FG80 CAN FIND SMALL OBJECT 30m--300m ???,A COMPLET NONSENSE !!!

Connie´s husband is spanish and talk directly to Alonso,ask this question,Alonso said MINEORO as LIMITED distances as LRL and Damasio EXTEND THIS LIMITATIONS to a promotional and marketing process TO INCREASE SALES.~
Of course ALONSO is not inocent,he can tell the true in MINEORO SITE,but he stay quiet.

MINEORO LRL´s are very EXPENSIVE,they not work as advertised,so they must reduce the price,or stop sales !!!

OTHER IMPORTANT INFORMATION,i know a french man who bougth one MINEORO,i think the FG80,he told me have found one treasure 40m distance,umidity 20%,depth 60cm,GREAT NEWS,at the same time he was in the same area and not get signals with MINEORO in other gold objects that he recovered later with his Pulse Induction detector...

So,MINEORO NOT LOCATE ALL GOLD ALLOYS ??? IT NEEDS SPECIAL GOLD ?

Regards

Hi Morgan,

This is another explanation that can make sense.
Since the Mineoro has a VLF receiver some ways similar to a geologists loop, it is believable it could detect something 1-4 meters or maybe farther depending on soil conditions and RF conditions.
I doubt it can tell only gold, but maybe can detect VLF absorbance like geologists measure.

Maybe a manufacturer can start making geologist loops optimized to find small metal and sell for 7500 eu after putting many pictures of treasure on ther website.
Don't bother to tell the detection will depend on the ground, moisture, RF receoption, and understanding geology.
Simply say it is a gold machine that detects gold ion clouds in the air.
If customers are lucky, then they will find some metal a few times.
This will be good to post on the website to prove your VLF loops find only treasure.
Then you can be a rich LRL manufacturer with people sending you money from all over the world, instead of a slave building geologist tools which they demand highest precision.

Still, I wonder how Damasio can get 50cm,1m,2m or even 20m in the gold objects hide in his field test?
Does this require he tilts the LRL slightly to the ground when nobody notices, because he knows where the treasure is?
Would Alonso find the same treasures that you try to find in Portugal when he does not know where they are buried?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

MINEORO FACTORY

Hi Morgan,

This is another explanation that can make sense.
Since the Mineoro has a VLF receiver some ways similar to a geologists loop, it is believable it could detect something 1-4 meters or maybe farther depending on soil conditions and RF conditions.
I doubt it can tell only gold, but maybe can detect VLF absorbance like geologists measure.

Maybe a manufacturer can start making geologist loops optimized to find small metal and sell for 7500 eu after putting many pictures of treasure on ther website.
Don't bother to tell the detection will depend on the ground, moisture, RF receoption, and understanding geology.
Simply say it is a gold machine that detects gold ion clouds in the air.
If customers are lucky, then they will find some metal a few times.
This will be good to post on the website to prove your VLF loops find only treasure.
Then you can be a rich LRL manufacturer with people sending you money from all over the world, instead of a slave building geologist tools which they demand highest precision.

Still, I wonder how Damasio can get 50cm,1m,2m or even 20m in the gold objects hide in his field test?
Does this require he tilts the LRL slightly to the ground when nobody notices, because he knows where the treasure is?
Would Alonso find the same treasures that you try to find in Portugal when he does not know where they are buried?


Best wishes,
J_P

I was two times in MINEORO factory,and experiment a lot the MINEORO LRL´s models in the FIELD TEST,i can say there is a trick there. Each target as one yellow PLASTIC mark over the ground,and each time i touch the PLASTIC i get much more distance with mineoro,Damasio(R.I.P.) not like ,and order me to stop,he said i damage the IONIC FIELD.
I never go to the beach to try MINEORO with Damasio,he said ionic field is very low,impossible to find something...

well,i have many LRL stories from Brazil. I decide to buy MINEORO LRL becouse after long talking with Damasio i believe he and Alonso are realy cientists who found LRL technology.
I´m still waiting for better results with my mineoro to prove they are good at LRL´s.

[J_Player]

I was two times in MINEORO factory,and experiment a lot the MINEORO LRL´s models in the FIELD TEST,i can say there is a trick there. Each target as one yellow PLASTIC mark over the ground,and each time i touch the PLASTIC i get much more distance with mineoro,Damasio(R.I.P.) not like ,and order me to stop,he said i damage the IONIC FIELD.
I never go to the beach to try MINEORO with Damasio,he said ionic field is very low,impossible to find something...

well,i have many LRL stories from Brazil. I decide to buy MINEORO LRL becouse after long talking with Damasio i believe he and Alonso are realy cientists who found LRL technology.
I´m still waiting for better results with my mineoro to prove they are good at LRL´s.

HAHAHAHaaaaa...

"Damasio(R.I.P.) not like ,and order me to stop,he said i damage the IONIC FIELD".

Damasio(R.I.P.) not like, and order you to stop, he think you will discover the trick to make the Mineoro beep at the test field.


Thank you for true stories from Mineoro factory


Best wishes for you and your pet Gollum
J_P

[Morgan]

???

HAHAHAHaaaaa...

"Damasio(R.I.P.) not like ,and order me to stop,he said i damage the IONIC FIELD".

Damasio(R.I.P.) not like, and order you to stop, he think you will discover the trick to make the Mineoro beep at the test field.


Thank you for true stories from Mineoro factory


Best wishes for you and your pet Gollum
J_P

This kind of trick react with hand friction on the plastic,so what kind of TRANSMITER they have in the field test ???

[Morgan]

MINEORO

Respect!

Yes,i want respect for mineoro clients wallet.

If the MINEORO devices are expensive becouse of the 24 K GOLD inside the tube,they can make it more cheap using TUMBAGA gold alloy

[J_Player]

Yes,i want respect for mineoro clients wallet.

If the MINEORO devices are expensive becouse of the 24 K GOLD inside the tube,they can make it more cheap using TUMBAGA gold alloy

Originally posted by Carl-NC
"... the FG80 does not detect the gold test sheet (actually, gold-plated brass, I think) that was included with the detector. It also does not detect my 10-ounce gold bar...

...Last night, I took a closer look at the "gold" sample provided with the FG80. At one corner I noticed a slight separation... I discovered that the gold facing is an adhesive foil. I peeled it back slightly, and the foil is far more rigid than gold should be. I'm wondering if there is any gold in this sample at all. I plan to do some acid tests..."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47468#post47468

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47488#post47488

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Well,i already have Gollum as a pet and to clean all the treasures,but this is a question of time,he is thinking travel to Brazil,he saw Hung´s GOLD RING !!!

Hi Morgan,

I have a message for your house pet, Gollum:
It is not necessary for him to go to Brazil to get a gold ring. I hear rumors they have fake Tumbaga gold in Brazil that has too much copper.

There are better treasures in the USA. If Gollum went to Oregon in the USA, he would find many rivers which have gold nuggets, maybe more than 90% pure gold.
The problem is how to find these nuggets. But there is a solution to find the nuggets in Oregon.
If Gollum travels to the town of Sweet Home, Oregon, he will find the White's factory that makes real metal detectors. And he will see the Carl-NC museum of LRLs inside.
Gollum can get a job to sweep the floor for White's factory, then borrow some LRLs to look for gold nuggets in the river when he is not busy polishing LRLs and sweeping floors.

He will certainly find many nuggets with better gold alloy than Brazilian Tumbaga alloy. But if he has problems to find nuggets with LRLs, then he can borrow White's metal detectors.
These are guaranteed, and owner of the factory will really answer emails and send new detector if it is not working ok to find treasure the same like you see in a video.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Gold nuggets

Hi Morgan,

I have a message for your house pet, Gollum:
It is not necessary for him to go to Brazil to get a gold ring. I hear rumors they have fake Tumbaga gold in Brazil that has too much copper.

There are better treasures in the USA. If Gollum went to Oregon in the USA, he would find many rivers which have gold nuggets, maybe more than 90% pure gold.
The problem is how to find these nuggets. But there is a solution to find the nuggets in Oregon.
If Gollum travels to the town of Sweet Home, Oregon, he will find the White's factory that makes real metal detectors. And he will see the Carl-NC museum of LRLs inside.
Gollum can get a job to sweep the floor for White's factory, then borrow some LRLs to look for gold nuggets in the river when he is not busy polishing LRLs and sweeping floors.

He will certainly find many nuggets with better gold alloy than Brazilian Tumbaga alloy. But if he has problems to find nuggets with LRLs, then he can borrow White's metal detectors.
These are guaranteed, and owner of the factory will really answer emails and send new detector if it is not working ok to find treasure the same like you see in a video.

Best wishes,
J_P

Ok,i will inform Gollum

[Fred]

This is interesting Morgan, what about the nice plastic sheet they use to search for the target, on the videos?

[J_Player]

This is interesting Morgan, what about the nice plastic sheet they use to search for the target, on the videos?

Hi Fred,

I think Morgan may know more clues to the mystery of the Mineoro performance. His stories of Mineoro locators shows us how they perform different during factory demonstrations than for customers who try to find the same detection away from the factory. He has more stories from the Mineoro factory we did not hear yet. But think about what he told us so far...

The plastic markers at the location of buried treasure is one clue. Already we know the Mineoro locators will beep when you tilt them toward the ground. Do you think this is partly because they are capacitively coupled to the ground? If so, this means they are feeling the electric field changing when you move them closer to the ground. If you put down a plastic marker and rub it, do you think you might be making a change to the local electric field where the plastic is placed? Could you be creating an anomaly?
Does anyone remember Estaban telling how it is important to wear cotton clothes because nylon or polyester fibers in clothes can cause false beeping from static electric charge close to the LRL?

But what if rubbing plastic for a static electric field is the wrong theory of how the Mineoro locators are made to beep at the test field?
Maybe the plastic markers are not changing thier static charge when you rub them.
Is there another way these plastic markers could be used to make the Mineoro locators beep only when they are at the Mineoro test field?

Imagine you are a treasure hunter visiting the Mineoro factory, and you see some yellow plastic markers showing where buried gold is located.
You see the factory workers show you Mineoro locators beep when they point to the plastic markers and move close to them.

How do you know there is treasure buried under these plastic markers?
Because people at the factory tell you there is?
Is there really treasure buried there?
Think about it....
How do you know the plastic markers are not marking the location where a signal generator is buried?
How do you know that the yellow marker is not part of a plastic connector you can move to adjust the power of the signal generator?

You don't know. You only believe what people tell you at the factory.
.... until you arrive home with your new Mineoro locator and then you learn you really had a brain wash at the factory...

Why did Damasio become angry when Morgan rubbed on the plastic markers? --
Was it because Morgan was making the static field stronger --- or because he was turning up the power on a buried signal generator?
Maybe the plastic markers have a thin wire at the bottom that you can disconnect from a buried transmitter antenna when you rub on it too hard?

Originally posted by connie
...I bought a DC2008 from mineoro. ( I really had a brain wash from Brazil )

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96087#post96087

We read stories like this in this forum.... also, we see all through this forum where people believe the stories they hear of wonderful treasures found from Mineoro, how they work perfectly.... then, after they buy Mineoro locators, they learn they believed the wrong stories. After they spend their money, they find out these LRLs do not detect any treasure even when they know the treasure is there after they dig it up. In the case of Mineoro, they are not even detecting the gold test plate for most buyers.

I think if a person wants a long range locator, they can have the same luck with building their own experimental locator instead of buying Mineoro. Maybe they will not have success at locating long range treasure, but they will not spend 7500 eu to find no success. If they build thier own experimental locator and they are lucky, then maybe they will find some treasure, and their wallet will have more money at the end of the year, not less.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Maybe we don't need to travel a long distance away from the factory to see it stops performing like factory workers show us at the test field demonstration....

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Morgan
"Each target as one yellow PLASTIC mark over the ground,and each time i touch the PLASTIC i get much more distance with mineoro,
Damasio(R.I.P.) not like, and order me to stop, he said i damage the IONIC FIELD".

Originally posted by Carl-NC
"...I can hold the FG80 horizontal and adjust the threshold to where the beeping just stops. Then, no matter where I'm at, if I point it downward, it starts beeping. Same thing with pointing it upward"....

Originally Posted by Morgan
This kind of trick react with hand friction on the plastic,so what kind of TRANSMITER they have in the field test ???

Hi Morgan,
You saw my answer that the trick is how you move the the Mineoro locator with small hand movements to make it beep.
It appears you can do this because the Mineoro will beep when the static electric field near it made to change.

Maybe when you touch this plastic marker, you are also changing the charge on the plastic, and on your body while you hold the Mineoro locator.
We see most people who tried using a Mineoro locator found they will beep when you move them to point more downward or upward, where we know the static electric charge is stronger and weaker.
This is a good way to explain how to make Mineoro beeping when you change the electric charge near the antenna.
This is also a good way to explain how to make beeping with some careful hand movements to point closer to the direction of charge at the ground, or to charged plastic targets.

But I was not the first person to think of this trick...
Carl-NC saw this false Mineoro beeping several years ago when he tested his FG80.
When I read further, I found this false Mineoro beeping was predicted by our metal detector friend and expert Kev, even before Carl-NC testing...

"...I worked out how the mineoro detects a gold ring moving on a hand at 2 metres. ESD theory shows that raising your arm can generate a 5kV static charge, and if the person is wearing garments constructed of man-made fibers, up to 10kV (ten thousand Volts). Does the mineoro manual tell you not to detect while wearing a crimpolene suit, or while Mormon ministers are in the vicinity?

Yes these bogus devices don't "beep" at the gold ring, but at the movement of the persons arm. Mineoros might make a really good movement sensor for a burglar alarm, so long as the burglars aren't naked and you're cat doesn't rub over your nylon carpet or furniture..."

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47305#post47305

Kev figured out this Mineoro trick back in 2006 when the FG80 was released.
He figured no special static transmitter was needed.
It can be done simply with hand movements and where you walk and things you touch.
Even rubbing the clothes you wear can adjust the static charge and beeping.

Is it any wonder why Damasio ordered you to stop touching the plastic markers he had placed on the ground?
What would have happened if you continued with your testing of the plastic markers?
Would you discover Mineoro is a good locator to beep for charged plastic markers you put on the ground?

If Mineoro FG locators are claimed to find fresh gold, then maybe we should see a true demostration of them finding fresh gold that you bury, not plastic markers at the surface of the ground.
Maybe the next time when you visit the Mineoro factory, you can ask them find gold which you hide in dirt that has no plastic markers.
Maybe we should see a true video where factory workers locate your gold when they don't know the location you buried it (See my idea in the picture above).


Best wishes,
J_P

[goldfinder]

Static from movement

Thanks JP. That is what I found w/ all the static detection machines I built to test all this static "stuff". Even walking on the ground where there is sand causes my detector to detect the pulse from static generated from walking. Scuffing my feet in a sandy area makes my detector go nuts with all the ion detection.

The other thing I found that was very disconcerting was that many trees and bushes have a high electrostatic charge and there is no way to compensate for this.

I do think there is a higher detection field around long time buried metals simply because the metals do break down (not much for gold) and makes for a larger ionic field in the ground. However, to this date I have never detected this above ground. It seems to be localized just around the buried metal. Iron rust is probably the most noticeable.

Electrostatic fields are all over and vary considerably even in a small area. So to use this as a metal detection methodology is to me not the way to go.
Goldfinder

[Morgan]

MINEORO FACTORY

Maybe we don't need to travel a long distance away from the factory to see it stops performing like factory workers show us at the test field demonstration....

I see the picture,but remember one thing,the gold(or silver) must be underground for many years to create the Phenomenon.
Ok,next time i travel to Brazil,i plant one silver ring out side of the MINEORO factory.

[J_Player]

I see the picture,but remember one thing,the gold(or silver) must be underground for many years to create the Phenomenon.
Ok,next time i travel to Brazil,i plant one silver ring out side of the MINEORO factory.

Hi Morgan,

You are not remembering correctly.
The gold must be underground for many years only for older Mineoro LRLs.
After they invented the new FG series, it was no longer necessary to have the gold buried a long time.
This is why they call it FG... for Fresh Gold.
We remember hung checked with the factory to make sure the FG detectors will not have a problem to detect fresh gold....

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=42165#post42165

I finally got to talk to Damasio after days of seclusion in his lab...

...As I said, the FG is able to detect gold with humidity rates of over 70%. He told me that this morning, Alonso in Paraguay tested the FG with the new IC and he could pick the governor's treasure (see site) from 400m away with 70% humidity. This is a buried treasure. Remember, for the fresh gold to be picked up by the new FG, that is, gold which is not buried, humidity has to be low, around 40 to 60%.
This kind of humidity rate is difficult to be reached close to the seashore here in Rio, but I will give it a try. That's why in their site there's a mention of a new model to be launched which will detect fresh gold with higher humidity tipically found in the litoral...

Here hung says another time...
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...6436#post46463

I'm sure if conditions allow, we will be willing to demonstrate fresh gold detection with the FG80 and FG79.

I also see where your house pet gollum made forum posts over at Tnet to tell the truth about what he found to make the Mineoro beep...

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,181406.msg1354205.html#msg1354205

"...I hit a button on the TV remote. It set the Mineoro off. BEEEEEEEEEEEP! It sounded off as long as I held the button down. HMMMMMMMMM? ..."

Now you know for certain the next time you go to Brazil, hung will demonstrate for you the FG79 and FG80 to find the fresh gold you hide.
He will find it easily using the FG80, as long as the humidity is low - 40 to 60% or less.
And the factory workers will also find the fresh gold you hide.
Don't you think so?

But the factory workers did not demonstrate locating fresh gold when you visited with Connie.
They only demonstrated locating plastic markers and wallet washings...