Searching for schematics

[WM6]

I am searching for schematics of this two old but world most successful LRL devices:

First one was most successful LRL device ever.
Second one was second most successful LRL device ever.
I would be very thankful for any hint.

PS: antennas and power supply are missing.

[kt315]

schematics??? you need due repeat the every detail in one-in-one copy. otherwise you will not get working prototype

good luck

[Götz von Berlichingen]

These look like simple mechanical Choppers, designed to generate higher Voltage from Batteries.
Part of simple Electric Fences and old Tube Radios, also popular for "Electrotherapy".
Whats the Source of these Pictures ?

[WM6]

otherwise you will not get working prototype

There is no goal to get working prototype - no one LRL was working as claimed. I wish only to re-commercialize such devices for about $7,990 (or better in €).

Whats the Source of these Pictures ?

I got this pictures in confidential from late LRL master, but without schematics.

Suppose that electric fences was not known so far back.

I only know that devices was patented, but which patent - who knows?

[Götz von Berlichingen]

There is no goal to get working prototype - no one LRL was working as claimed. I wish only to commercialize such devices for about $7,990.



I got this pictures in confidential from late LRL master, but without schematics.

Suppose that electric fences was not known so far back.

Wikipedia says: "Electric fences were used to control livestock in the United States in the early 1930s".
Of course, Electrotherapy is much older, probably since 1855.
Look here, this looks very much like your "LRL":
http://chss.montclair.edu/~pererat/imquack.htm

So, the left picture is a "W.C. & J. NEFF ELECTRO MAGNETIC MACHINE",
the right is a "DR. S. B. SMITH'S TORPEDO MAGNETIC MACHINE".
Damm, I'm good at google searching, eh ?

[WM6]

Of course, Electrotherapy is much older, probably since 1855.
Look here, this looks very much like your "LRL":
http://chss.montclair.edu/~pererat/imquack.htm

Great, problem solved. You say "Torpedo magnetic machine"? It must be fine as LRL. Congratulation.

Thank you. But I still didn't get schematic.

[Qiaozhi]

How about this?
I want one to help stimulate my ideomotor efect.
.
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[WM6]

How about this?
I want one.
.

Is this about remote sensing?

[Qiaozhi]

Is this about remote sensing?

I'm reliably informed that wearing this device for a few minutes every day will transform anyone into a dowsing master. In the interests of science, and keeping an open mind (which it probably will be after using it ) I'm willing to give it a go. Then I can confidently post numerous amounts of pseudo-scientific gobbledygook in the RS Forum, without feeling guilty, and firmly believing that I'm informing ignorant skeptics of the truth.

Or alternatively, I might not bother.

[WM6]

I'm reliably informed that wearing this device for a few minutes every day will transform anyone into a dowsing master.

Definitely a beautiful design. Perhaps it could work out well in the workplace too?

[Götz von Berlichingen]

Dammit... sometimes it seems like this Forum is about Remote Sensing,
as much as http://www.landoverbaptist.net/?is about Christianity.

[goldfinder]

LRL and high voltage ???

Very interesing - so how did the high voltage generator get used as an long range metal (gold) detector. It seems the high voltage circuit was only part of the total system. The unknown old parts have been identified as a high voltage generator. So did the doctor tell you how to use it as an LRL??

BTW - my wife has one of those electreat devices. She used it to restore badly burned hand back to normal condition. She has used the the Electreat for many other nerve maladies and it does restore normal nerve conditions. The Russians did extensive testing of using high voltage low current in many medical situations and found that the HV does help restore and heal the body. The American drug cartel has been very effective in keeping many very good alternative treatments off the market in favor of using high priced drugs to cause more problems than they help.
Goldfinder

[Götz von Berlichingen]

...The American drug cartel has been very effective in keeping many very good alternative treatments off the market in favor of using high priced drugs to cause more problems than they help.
Goldfinder

This is the favorite Conspiracy Theory of Snakeoil Salesmen. OK, in Fact, a TENS might be useful, there is controversy about this Matter.
The same could be said in Metal Detecting - of course, a certain, well known Developer at White's can't be honest, if he says that LRLs are not working.
(in fact, he wrote LRL Reports when he was not yet working at White's)

[J_Player]

Very interesing - so how did the high voltage generator get used as an long range metal (gold) detector. It seems the high voltage circuit was only part of the total system. The unknown old parts have been identified as a high voltage generator. So did the doctor tell you how to use it as an LRL??

BTW - my wife has one of those electreat devices. She used it to restore badly burned hand back to normal condition. She has used the the Electreat for many other nerve maladies and it does restore normal nerve conditions. The Russians did extensive testing of using high voltage low current in many medical situations and found that the HV does help restore and heal the body. The American drug cartel has been very effective in keeping many very good alternative treatments off the market in favor of using high priced drugs to cause more problems than they help.
Goldfinder

Hi goldfinder,

electreat?
I looked it up, and it seems to have an interesting history, similar to dowsing.

It seems the principle of using high voltage stimulation to treat nerve problems began back in ancient Mesopotamia to treat transient pain. Pain victims were exposed to torpedo fish (electric eels) to numb their nerves where it hurts. Then after batteries were invented, experimenters tried inducing currents under the skin to numb nerves. Up until this time, electricity was used as an anasthetic. But by the middle 1800s people were manufacturing electric stimulators which were claimed to cure all kinds of maladies. It was the beginning of the snake oil era. By 1919 the electreat version was patented by Charles Willie Kent and sold (estimated 250,000 units) for home remedy of a number of ailments. Following passage of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act in 1938, Kent was the first individual prosecuted by the U.S. government for making unsubstantiated medical claims and the Electreat company was then forced to limit their claims to pain relief alone.

Today, the electrical stimulators are still being manufactured and used by private citizens as well as in hospitals. Apparently the medical community considers they have some anasthetic value. But these are also used by alternative medical practitioners which include acupuncturists who sometimes attach electrodes to their acupuncture needles. And home users often swear by the great theraputic results they see from using these electric stimulators. From what I can see, it looks like these electric stimulators have a history which runs parallel to the history of dowsing, and they have a similar controversy today, as they are still being used by small numbers as an alternative to mainstream medical treatments. And we also see similar opposing viewpoints about the medical value of these stimulators.

Sources:

http://www.burtonreport.com/infspine/NSHistNeurostimPartI.htm

http://shop.ebay.com/sis.html?_nkw=ANTIQUE+UV+VIOLET+RAY+MACHINE+WAND+Quack+MEDICAL+DEVICE

http://nolindan.com/lindancollection/lindancollectionmain.html

Best wishes,
J_P

[goldfinder]

High Voltage for LRL - ???

The medical use is fine and I believe it has helped my wife and some other people I know - however, this being a alternative aspect of long range detection -

Lets get back to the LRL question of using high voltage for long range metal detection. Are there any of you wizards out there like Esteban, Hung, or ??? who have done anything in this area of research and gotten some kind of indications useful for detection ?

We live in an electric universe and metals certainly play a strong role in various electric phenomena. ???

Goldfinder