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  • #16
    Originally posted by Qiaozhi View Post
    If you had bothered to read it, you would have known that this statement ("The Earth's magnetic field is variable and not fixed.") has already been made.
    I see...And despite of that he posts the 'frequencies' above?
    In that report he also insists that resistance is an absolute value too?

    Thanks, I don't need to read Mad magazine to know what to expect.


    PS. Besides being the 'administrator' you are also his talking puppet?
    "Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"

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    • #17
      Originally posted by hung View Post
      I see...And despite of that he posts the 'frequencies' above?
      It was in response to the question from Zocky-Zocky, where he asked for the frequencies at an average value of 50uT ... or did you miss that as well?

      Originally posted by hung View Post
      PS. Besides being the 'administrator' you are also his talking puppet?
      Actually, it was you that replied to Zocky-Zocky's question, which was specifically addressed to Carl. I was replying to the nonsense that you posted.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by hung View Post
        I see...And despite of that he posts the 'frequencies' above?
        He wanted the general equation, plus frequencies specifically for 50uT (assuming 0.5 was a typo). I gave him both. Was the equation or any of the frequencies wrong?

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        • #19
          Now, this is just over the top really. Lawyers are very strange form of life on Earth (and beyond), i just get US 7750634 (H3Tec), and i have to say this is one of the most pointless texts i have chance to read so far (ok. USPTO have lot to offer, but this is among top ten for sure).

          Frequencies given on page 19 are in MHz, not Hz, (and referenced to 2.3487 T field) it is easy to miss 6 orders of magnitude, just happens sometime. Nice figures of PCB, whit silkscreen and all, for something that can be cable modem or development system or...never mind. It uses "DSP processor chip, such as an AD 9850 chip in the SHARC series of chips produced by Analog Devices" (p.20), and "the frequency generator may be a chip such as an AD9850-CMOS, 125MHz Complete DDS Synthesizer manufactured by Analog Devices" (p.21). Somewhat unusual design choice, maybe just typo, or someone at AD drinks too much. But this is minor issue. Then goes this:

          "The detection module uses the generated signal to create an excitation field and then may monitor for a corresponding elemental response coming from the target substance" (p.20) Nice, it can create very small intensity rapidly diminishing electric field between rods, EM radiation at these low frequencies will take something sized like submarine communication facility. Maybe ten miles long dowsing rod can help, not exactly handheld, but who care...NMR stuff not working like this anyway! In this patent, one small secret is undisclosed, part of circuit that will:

          A. Produce switchable homogenous magnetic field of couple thousand Gauss over large area, to be used as a "polarizing field", or
          B. Some controlled method to turn off Earth's own magnetism, and then listen to precession frequency.
          (and, naturally, even then thing will not work)

          And so on... What is the average cost of US patent procedure anyway? (I need sponsors to patent WARP drive, but i guess guys at USPTO already have few dozens )

          Things like this will never end, ignorance is unbeatable, and its abundance starts to frighten me. Code red: C.R.A.P.

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          • #20
            Yeah, the AD9850 is not a SHARC chip. That's just minor evidence of guilt. The patent includes much better evidence than that.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Carl-NC View Post
              He wanted the general equation, plus frequencies specifically for 50uT (assuming 0.5 was a typo). I gave him both. Was the equation or any of the frequencies wrong?
              When the initial concept is wrong, then the rest is just pointless.
              You insist in using brute magnetic NMR to explain what happens to MFD type LRLs. This is non sense.
              NMR can be achieved by other means such as optical NMR and circularly polarized RF beam.
              In the case of this 'pumped' RF beam, NMR is achieved much more effectively because besides requiring very low homogeinity unlike the brute magnet aproach, it acts as the magnetizing agent interacting with the spinor of the electron. What trully happens in this case and in the resonance in the MFD's case is a kind of 'zeeman' effect. A radio frequency induced optical zeeman effect from one electron. This allows to get out of the H 100Mhz range in the standard concept.

              Over TNET, I posted some unusual magnetic behavior in factual cases. You seem to have ignored it and did not understand what was going on. Your loss.
              Understand now why I will never waste my time to read your report about the H3tec? What for?

              PS.
              In treasure hunting, we are looking for e.g. buried gold that is subjected to the Earth's natural magnetic field. This varies from place-to-place, but 50 microTeslas (uT) is a fair average strength.
              It's not only variable in space. But in time also.
              "Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"

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              • #22
                Originally posted by hung View Post
                W
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                Understand now why I will never waste my time to read your report about the H3tec? What for?

                But you are willing to waste your life to promote and defend, on fake science based, funny mineoro crappy boxes. I understand "what for": for many.
                Global capital is ruining your life?
                You have right to self-defence!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by hung View Post
                  You insist in using brute magnetic NMR to explain what happens to MFD type LRLs. This is non sense.
                  No, I don't. Other people do, such as Chuckie, but not me. NMR has nothing to do with LRLs.

                  NMR can be achieved by other means such as optical NMR and circularly polarized RF beam.
                  Doesn't matter how you achieve precession, the equation still applies. Also the end frequencies for a given ambient magnetic field. If this were not true, then proton precession magnetometers would not work.

                  If you don't like my answer to Zocky, you are free to provide a better answer instead of complaining about mine.

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                  • #24
                    Carl is right. Use the formula and calculate from this site using different magnetic fields.



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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Carl-NC View Post
                      NMR has nothing to do with LRLs.
                      It does for MFD type LRLs.
                      Not the way you think.
                      And much more than you think.

                      Doesn't matter how you achieve precession, the equation still applies.
                      No. It's well different for RF NMR.

                      F(res)= 1.532 x 10 power + 25 I / om (squared)

                      F(res)=probe resonance angular frequency
                      om = pump angular frequency
                      I = pump intensity(watts per square meter)
                      "Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"

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                      • #26
                        "If you don't like my answer to Zocky, you are free to provide a better answer instead of complaining about mine."

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                        • #27
                          I'm not complaining about your answer.
                          Now, answering your question, what Carl writes tough correct from a certain point of view, has nothing to do with the way the H3tec works.
                          I'm just saying that MFD type LRLs work on a different principle of NMR other than you think manufacturers claim and if your report on H3tec for some reason infers that the device cannot work as I imagine you stated, it simply might not reflect the truth and it's not accurate since the LRL is reported to be working fine by users.
                          "Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by hung View Post
                            I'm not complaining about your answer.
                            See posts #13 & #16 above. Res ipsa loquitur.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by hung View Post
                              It does for MFD type LRLs.
                              Not the way you think.
                              And much more than you think.



                              No. It's well different for RF NMR.

                              F(res)= 1.532 x 10 power + 25 I / om (squared)

                              F(res)=probe resonance angular frequency
                              om = pump angular frequency
                              I = pump intensity(watts per square meter)

                              Above formula makes no sense as written. Can you please add parenthesis where appropriate, to make it unambiguous?

                              HH Rudy,
                              MXT, HeadHunter Wader


                              Do or do not. There is no try.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Rudy;129926 - in reference to Hung's posted formula.
                                Above formula makes no sense as written. Can you please add parenthesis where appropriate, to make it unambiguous?
                                The problem is that he doesn't know anything about Latex or NMR.

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