Montauk Illusions

[Funfinder]

Hi Morgan,

very cool that you visited already OKM. And seems your tests already have shown that their Bionic stuff is for the bio-trash-bin.

We know one video of a italian metal-detector shop where the Bionic detects a non buried object from a distance but I doubt that this "show" has any usage for real treasure hunting.


Morgan, I have an important question for you:

Please answer it as good as you can because this is very crucial concerning if LRL really works or is just a huge illusion:


Let's assume the LRL can find gold. Very good, but first we need an exact answer to: What kind of gold!?!?!


I ask this because I find it very suspicious the LRL can't find any other metals.

Can the LRL find coins where the gold alloy just contains 1/3 or 50% of Gold? If yes, are you shure?

If you tune the LRL a little bit back or further - what kind of metal comes directly after the gold-area? Is the LRL more sensitive to red-gold or white-gold?

If the LRL really can detect gold principally it must be possible that it can detect also other kinds of metals. Gold cannot make any magic tricks to the LRL compared with other metals. If the LRL can't be tuned to detect other metals this is a proof it does not work at all!

If we can adjust the LRL to find other metal we know where to search for the solution how it works at all.


But I guess we'll know nothing and we won't find any clues why our "sorry, gold only LRL" refuses the detection of other metals....

[Morgan]

LRL experiments

Hi Morgan,

very cool that you visited already OKM. And seems your tests already have shown that their Bionic stuff is for the bio-trash-bin.

We know one video of a italian metal-detector shop where the Bionic detects a non buried object from a distance but I doubt that this "show" has any usage for real treasure hunting.


Morgan, I have an important question for you:

Please answer it as good as you can because this is very crucial concerning if LRL really works or is just a huge illusion:


Let's assume the LRL can find gold. Very good, but first we need an exact answer to: What kind of gold!?!?!


I ask this because I find it very suspicious the LRL can't find any other metals.

Can the LRL find coins where the gold alloy just contains 1/3 or 50% of Gold? If yes, are you shure?

If you tune the LRL a little bit back or further - what kind of metal comes directly after the gold-area? Is the LRL more sensitive to red-gold or white-gold?

If the LRL really can detect gold principally it must be possible that it can detect also other kinds of metals. Gold cannot make any magic tricks to the LRL compared with other metals. If the LRL can't be tuned to detect other metals this is a proof it does not work at all!

If we can adjust the LRL to find other metal we know where to search for the solution how it works at all.


But I guess we'll know nothing and we won't find any clues why our "sorry, gold only LRL" refuses the detection of other metals....

I´m not one expert in LRL electronics,but i made a lot of tests with LRL´s and modifications in LRL circuits.
I come to conclusion : each metal is emiting one specific electromagnetic field when underground,located by LRL with electromagnetic resonance. Alterations in this resonance make the LRL more or less sensitive to specific metals,gold ,silver,copper...
With resonance for gold,you can find all the gold alloys and silver also.
With resonance for copper,you will find all copper alloys,including bzonze,brass.
With resonation for iron,you will find all iron alloys,and steel.
Each metal vibrates in is own frequency.

This is all theory...

[Morgan]

LRL experiments

Hi Morgan,

very cool that you visited already OKM. And seems your tests already have shown that their Bionic stuff is for the bio-trash-bin.

We know one video of a italian metal-detector shop where the Bionic detects a non buried object from a distance but I doubt that this "show" has any usage for real treasure hunting.


Morgan, I have an important question for you:

Please answer it as good as you can because this is very crucial concerning if LRL really works or is just a huge illusion:


Let's assume the LRL can find gold. Very good, but first we need an exact answer to: What kind of gold!?!?!


I ask this because I find it very suspicious the LRL can't find any other metals.

Can the LRL find coins where the gold alloy just contains 1/3 or 50% of Gold? If yes, are you shure?

If you tune the LRL a little bit back or further - what kind of metal comes directly after the gold-area? Is the LRL more sensitive to red-gold or white-gold?

If the LRL really can detect gold principally it must be possible that it can detect also other kinds of metals. Gold cannot make any magic tricks to the LRL compared with other metals. If the LRL can't be tuned to detect other metals this is a proof it does not work at all!

If we can adjust the LRL to find other metal we know where to search for the solution how it works at all.


But I guess we'll know nothing and we won't find any clues why our "sorry, gold only LRL" refuses the detection of other metals....

Think about this:

7 master colours

7 master metals

7 musical notes(do,re,mi,fa,sol,la,si)

I think in the end of the Rainbow(7colors) is suposed to be found the pot with GOLD

[Qiaozhi]

And not to forget:

1. Break a mirror ... and get 7 years bad luck.
2. Snow White had 7 dwarves.
3. Pure water has a pH of 7.
4. There are 7 days in a week.
5. There is a 1960's film called "The Magnificent Seven".
6. There are 7 wonders of the Ancient World.
7. There are supposedly 7 deadly sins - avarice, envy, gluttony, lust, pride, sloth and wrath. (All related to LRLs at various times).
8. And finally, I will leave you with this:

As I was going to St Ives,
I met a man with seven wives,
Each wife had seven sacks,
Each sack had seven cats,
Each cat had seven kits:
Kits, cats, sacks and wives,
How many were going to St Ives?

[vali]

7 regular full sky.Thank you

[J_Player]

... Don't forget one thing:
Germany is not Brazil! In Germany there exist very critical and thorough working persons and there is a very high standard concerning reliability of electronical or technical products. Sometime up to 3 years of warranty. OKM will go to jail or pay many many thousands of Euros if someone finds out that they are betraying their customers. And it is so easy to find out, believe me!

This is not true.
OKM has found a way to prevent electronic experts from exposing them as a fraud. Thier locators have a long history of failure with most customers who buy them. But the customers cannot complain that they do not locate gold, because they contain a gradiometer which will show the location of a large mass of gold if it is buried in soil which is mineralized. Any electronics tech will recognize the cheap fluxgate magnetometer(s) inside the enclosure, and can testify in a court of law that it can locate gold and other substances if the conditions are right.

But the fact is the OKM locators fail miserably when they are used by people who are not associated with the OKM manufacturers.
See what Morgan reported about this:


This girl told me better invest the money in a second hand Mercedes...
Seems the BIONIC 01 is a bad investment - [Morgan]

The percentages of fail for actual users of OKM detectors is very high.
Yet we don't see these users receiving any money refunded from their OKM purchases when they complain.

Why?
Because of the fluxgate magnetometers OKM puts inside their locators.



The OKM argument is they have secret circuitry which allows these magnetometers in conjunction with other internal devices to locate gold. If it doesn't work, they can blame it on the soil, magnetic field, or whatever... when the fact is it will only work if conditions are right for the magnetometer to detect a void in the soil.
If you don't believe that, then you must buy one and watch it find gold for you.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Funfinder]

And not to forget:

1. Break a mirror ... and get 7 years bad luck.
2. Snow White had 7 dwarves.
3. Pure water has a pH of 7.
4. There are 7 days in a week.
5. There is a 1960's film called "The Magnificent Seven".
6. There are 7 wonders of the Ancient World.
7. There are supposedly 7 deadly sins - avarice, envy, gluttony, lust, pride, sloth and wrath. (All related to LRLs at various times).
8. And finally, I will leave you with this:

As I was going to St Ives,
I met a man with seven wives,
Each wife had seven sacks,
Each sack had seven cats,
Each cat had seven kits:
Kits, cats, sacks and wives,
How many were going to St Ives?

Better get the 777 at the slotmachines...

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Funfinder,

Nice analysis, but completely wrong.

The answer is 1.
Try re-reading it again carefully ... "As I was going to St. Ives ...".

[Funfinder]

Yeah, I know what you think, the "met" means that what "I"
met just was standing at the wayside and did not went with
"me" to St. Yves.

And the rest of the question just has to mislead the reader.

However this riddle makes absolutly no sense at all if it's not
a mathematically task.

If a salesman would write such stupid jokes this would
bring him to jail because this is fraud and he would be
guilty as a deceiver!

You cannot suggest to anybody something is inclusive
like the St. Yves riddle does and finally it is not.


edit:
And the same applies to / is valid for LRL sellers -
if they try to be*ss me with manipulating stuff I will find it out!

[Funfinder]

I´m not one expert in LRL electronics,but i made a lot of tests with LRL´s and modifications in LRL circuits.
I come to conclusion : each metal is emiting one specific electromagnetic field when underground,located by LRL with electromagnetic resonance. Alterations in this resonance make the LRL more or less sensitive to specific metals,gold ,silver,copper...
With resonance for gold,you can find all the gold alloys and silver also.
With resonance for copper,you will find all copper alloys,including bzonze,brass.
With resonation for iron,you will find all iron alloys,and steel.
Each metal vibrates in is own frequency.

This is all theory...

Interresting answer, thank ya!

Are you really shure this is just pure theory?

At least all your many tests, tries and modifications are clearly reality.

But let's go now a step ahead:

May it be resonance or not - it's obvious that the / your LRL must have a spot, variable resistor, changable capacitor or tunable coil to make the device especially very sensitive to the "gold region" (like a notch-filter or discriminator, even if those leave the sensitivity for different kind of metals on the same level but cut off the signals).


First question: have you discovered already how much percentage in sensitivity the gold region is better as the detection level for rusty iron? Gold 100% and rusty Iron 1% or is it really worse - maximum Gold sensitivity but still 50% for rusty iron?

Second question: Do you think that the axis of the search coil really is precise enough for long range pinpointing? I fully doubt this, especially if that coil is just very small and the used frequency range has many meters of wavelenght!


Not to mention that any metal that you carry nearby and even electronically parts the LRL needs like the heavy metallic battery has much stronger influence as a little small coin many meters away and under ground.

And I guess this is the reason why the LRL must have been tuned extremly exactly to the "gold only resonance" or whatever it is because otherwise the metal parts of the detector and the stuff you are carrying like shovel, watch, moneybag, knife, mobile phone, flashlights and alot other things would extremly distort the signal or give wrong positives.

But if it is possible to adjust such device that exact to gold it has to be possible to adjust it to much easier findable metals, too. Or even better - to the whole spectrum of every metal that exists!

The "Gold only feature" is just a cunning disguise! With this mean tactic potential customers shall get no chance for testing this stuff really because gold is so rare! And if these have hidden gold somewhere the sellers came up with excuses like: not long enough buried or soil mineralisation.


Morgan, before you "go for gold" the first I really would like to
"add to your heart" (an's Herz legen) is the following:

Tune your LRL to iron, go into some region without disturbance
and find iron objects from a real good distance. And this has nothing to do with magnetometer, because you should find this simple and all over available iron stuff from distances no magnetometer can find it anymore. Can you do this?

Or is your LRL a "non adjustable Gold only" thingy that does what it likes without any control and if it has a "bad hair day" it even can't find a gold coin from 10cm distance?

Believe me, this is the only way to get a real working and satisfying LRL. Don't play with a gold detector that doesn't work most of the time if you can work with an all the time working LRL iron detector and find out what are the crucial points to make this device really reliable!

I wish you very good luck.
You know now what you can do and if you don't like it or refuse it don't blame us if we can't accept those on and on and on going not really convincing test-results and claims about real detection results!


Finally I'll tell you a very basic example that makes it clear:

If I want to fly over the ocean first I need a plane that is able to carry me over land. Reliable! The same with LRL! First find iron stuff from 20 meters distance or large objects from even more and next find little gold stuff from 100meters! And not the vice versa
way!

I really hope you are able to tune your LRL to iron and then you are able to make serious tests, I hope it for the sake of all of us!

Morgan, you're our only hope! I guess hung or esteban won't or can't do this - so please don't disappoint us!!

[Funfinder]

Hi Funfinder,

Nice analysis, but completely wrong.

The answer is 1.
Try re-reading it again carefully ... "As I was going to St. Ives ...".

Oh and by the way even if 1 would be correct it is grammatically not the correct answer!

Because the question was:
How many were going to St Ives?

"1" = not many so it is logically wrong.
The correct answer would be "not many".

How many were going to St Ives?
"Not many" were going to St Ives!

And not:
1 many were (or: One is) going to St. Ives.

Comparable with this question:
How much money does someone has?
Someone has not much money (or no money at all) but alot of debts.

Of course in reality most people don't care about correct sentences
because everyone knows what's the meaning behind:

Q. How many cars do you have?
A. One (two etc.)
(correct answer: not many)

Correct question:
Please tell me the number of cars you have.

Sorry, Qiaozhi, but under such deceiving circumstances....
However - you may have more such riddles for me, they're real funny!

[Qiaozhi]

Oh and by the way even if 1 would be correct it is grammatically not the correct answer!

Because the question was:
How many were going to St Ives?

"1" = not many so it is logically wrong.
The correct answer would be "not many".

How many were going to St Ives?
"Not many" were going to St Ives!

And not:
1 many were (or: One is) going to St. Ives.

Comparable with this question:
How much money does someone has?
Someone has not much money (or no money at all) but alot of debts.

Of course in reality most people don't care about correct sentences
because everyone knows what's the meaning behind:

Q. How many cars do you have?
A. One (two etc.)
(correct answer: not many)

Correct question:
Please tell me the number of cars you have.

Sorry, Qiaozhi, but under such deceiving circumstances....
However - you may have more such riddles for me, they're real funny!

Just admit that you were caught out by the riddle.

This verse is a very old English poem, and the generally accepted answer is 1. There is no grammatical error in the question or the answer. The word "many" does not imply a plurality of items, only the actual number ... which could be any number from zero to infinity.

Or you might prefer this version from Mad Magazine:

As I was going to St Ives
I met a man with seven wives
Of course, the seven wives weren't his
But here in France, that's how it is

Now back to the original topic of Montauk illusions.

[Morgan]

LRL experiments

Interresting answer, thank ya!

Are you really shure this is just pure theory?

At least all your many tests, tries and modifications are clearly reality.

But let's go now a step ahead:

May it be resonance or not - it's obvious that the / your LRL must have a spot, variable resistor, changable capacitor or tunable coil to make the device especially very sensitive to the "gold region" (like a notch-filter or discriminator, even if those leave the sensitivity for different kind of metals on the same level but cut off the signals).


First question: have you discovered already how much percentage in sensitivity the gold region is better as the detection level for rusty iron? Gold 100% and rusty Iron 1% or is it really worse - maximum Gold sensitivity but still 50% for rusty iron?

Second question: Do you think that the axis of the search coil really is precise enough for long range pinpointing? I fully doubt this, especially if that coil is just very small and the used frequency range has many meters of wavelenght!


Not to mention that any metal that you carry nearby and even electronically parts the LRL needs like the heavy metallic battery has much stronger influence as a little small coin many meters away and under ground.

And I guess this is the reason why the LRL must have been tuned extremly exactly to the "gold only resonance" or whatever it is because otherwise the metal parts of the detector and the stuff you are carrying like shovel, watch, moneybag, knife, mobile phone, flashlights and alot other things would extremly distort the signal or give wrong positives.

But if it is possible to adjust such device that exact to gold it has to be possible to adjust it to much easier findable metals, too. Or even better - to the whole spectrum of every metal that exists!

The "Gold only feature" is just a cunning disguise! With this mean tactic potential customers shall get no chance for testing this stuff really because gold is so rare! And if these have hidden gold somewhere the sellers came up with excuses like: not long enough buried or soil mineralisation.


Morgan, before you "go for gold" the first I really would like to
"add to your heart" (an's Herz legen) is the following:

Tune your LRL to iron, go into some region without disturbance
and find iron objects from a real good distance. And this has nothing to do with magnetometer, because you should find this simple and all over available iron stuff from distances no magnetometer can find it anymore. Can you do this?

Or is your LRL a "non adjustable Gold only" thingy that does what it likes without any control and if it has a "bad hair day" it even can't find a gold coin from 10cm distance?

Believe me, this is the only way to get a real working and satisfying LRL. Don't play with a gold detector that doesn't work most of the time if you can work with an all the time working LRL iron detector and find out what are the crucial points to make this device really reliable!

I wish you very good luck.
You know now what you can do and if you don't like it or refuse it don't blame us if we can't accept those on and on and on going not really convincing test-results and claims about real detection results!


Finally I'll tell you a very basic example that makes it clear:

If I want to fly over the ocean first I need a plane that is able to carry me over land. Reliable! The same with LRL! First find iron stuff from 20 meters distance or large objects from even more and next find little gold stuff from 100meters! And not the vice versa
way!

I really hope you are able to tune your LRL to iron and then you are able to make serious tests, I hope it for the sake of all of us!

Morgan, you're our only hope! I guess hung or esteban won't or can't do this - so please don't disappoint us!!

I can calibrate the PDK for ONLY IRON,and find iron objects at several meters,impossivel task for the best magnetometer. I also can make special coil who catch only big iron objects.
The same i can make with noble metals.

I need special indestructivel epoxy resine to seal my PDK,before go to TH adventures around the world. Want to start in Bavaria,NAZI treasures,but i want to make a deal with your government,everything legal,hope they give me 10% ??? And hope the jews not claim all the gold(you know the history of the NAZI gold)...

[Funfinder]

>This verse is a very old English poem, and the generally accepted answer is 1

1 is so boring and if it's so old perhaps the true meaning is something completly else. Like:

A man with many wifes will get sacks full of cats (=problems).
And if you wanna avoid these wives better don't go to church (don't be holy, but be a Casanova)!

And french man of course always have much: "ouh l'amour"....

> Now back to the original topic of Montauk illusions.

OK, but I think it was not so off because it was pretty similar to other: "LRL not as it look like claims".

[J_Player]

... OK, but I think it was not so off because it was pretty similar to other: "LRL not as it look like claims".

Hmmm....
Does this mean a true skeptic will look at the details to see what is the real answer instead of what seems to be the answer if you don't look too close?




Best wishes,
J_P