Montauk Illusions

[Funfinder]

I can calibrate the PDK for ONLY IRON,and find iron objects at several meters,impossivel task for the best magnetometer. I also can make special coil who catch only big iron objects.
The same i can make with noble metals.

WOW, this sounds absolutly fantastic. So does it really work reliable with iron, even big iron, no problem? If yes you have the proof the LRL works, because shurely we can find out the detection depth and distance of magnetometer. However usual magnetometers have extremly small coils and perhaps your PDK (for what this stands for?) simply works like a much better magnetometer?

We know already that Geo found some dangerous large metal object last year from a distance and now if you can ensure this with some reliable tests and videos we would have as good as a proof it really works!

Of course we need to know what conditions are needed:
An extremly stable coil, all search directions possible or only from north to south etc., old iron or also new iron, weather, special electrostatic circumstances, no electro-smog and so on.

I need special indestructivel epoxy resine to seal my PDK,before go to TH adventures around the world. Want to start in Bavaria,NAZI treasures,but i want to make a deal with your government,everything legal,hope they give me 10% ??? And hope the jews not claim all the gold(you know the history of the NAZI gold)...

I can assure you a much better rate than 10%! The "district" Bavaria has the most liberate law concerning treasure hunting of whole Germany and there have been so many Nazi treasure hunters for all those years they don't really care about them because they found virtually nothing besides some empty rounds and other trash.

btw. you have already a big treasure if your long range iron objects detector really works. Try to figure out how you can make it easy rebuiltable, find a company, get some patents and make the treasure hunter community happy with such for shure very useful device! Special ironobjects sometimes are extremly seldom and they can show the path to hidden or long ago sunken or buried cities that contain alot other precious stuff. Find expensive meteorites, too.

But it has to work really reliable, not like Mineoro or OKM Bionic!

It even could be built with exchangeble different coils for large or small items.

And you have to find the Nazi-Gold at all and this is not that simple even if your LRL really would be able to detect gold deposits from 1km distance. It was transported high up to the mountains and buried minimum 1m depth at the end of WW2 to hide it from the US soldiers. Secured by explosive-traps, reopened and brought to even more secret places. You have a dangerous and not easy task to search this stuff, whatever your munich friends may have told you, but I'm really experienced for mountain-treasure hunting so you could have really success.

For the moment it seems you will need at least the whole winter-time to get your LRL working reliable and without any distortions.

I repeat: You are our only hope!!! Good luck!

[Qiaozhi]

OK, but I think it was not so off because it was pretty similar to other: "LRL not as it look like claims".

That's why I posted it in the first place.

The motto is: "Read what's being said very carefully, and don't make assumptions. Only look at the facts."

[Funfinder]

Hmmm....
Does this mean a true skeptic will look at the details to see what is the real answer instead of what seems to be the answer if you don't look too close?




Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P!
Good question! Finding the truth in this case (LRL) has to do with ripping everything apart (like Carl did with such devices), controlling everything, finding out what information has weight, is true, makes sense. Comparable with repairing something where first have to be found the culprit.

What is trustworthy and what is bullsh*t (and we had too much already of this here in the remote sensing forum)? What could work and what for shure never will work? Does a person acts suspicous or trustful? What kind of motives could drive the involved persons?

We have a genuine X-Files case here that looks nice from the outside (electronical parts, tests that seem to show working devices etc.) but in reality as long as we have no real reapeatable proven tests this is just some chase after aliens or "Montauk Illusions".

And I really hope with the help of Morgan we finally will end this!
He really acts trustworthy to us, he even bought the Mineoro and gave us information how unreliable (if at all) it works and he won't walk into the same footsteps like some "everything fine with LRL"-claimers. It is not fine, not at all.

However there is a way to devide lies from the truth, even for LRL, and we're already on the right track to achieve this goal!

Or are you already that extremly sceptically to negate this possibility completly?

[Morgan]

PDK project

[QUOTE=Funfinder;133884]WOW, this sounds absolutly fantastic. So does it really work reliable with iron, even big iron, no problem? If yes you have the proof the LRL works, because shurely we can find out the detection depth and distance of magnetometer. However usual magnetometers have extremly small coils and perhaps your PDK (for what this stands for?) simply works like a much better magnetometer?

We know already that Geo found some dangerous large metal object last year from a distance and now if you can ensure this with some reliable tests and videos we would have as good as a proof it really works!

Of course we need to know what conditions are needed:
An extremly stable coil, all search directions possible or only from north to south etc., old iron or also new iron, weather, special electrostatic circumstances, no electro-smog and so on.


Thanks,but now i´m interested in searching for treasures,of course not in historical or archeological places,Bavaria as tolerance for TH´s,i know.
If i sell one of this UPGRADE_PDK the person who buy it will make all atempts to desmantle for clonage,i´m sure about this. So,now its time to use the PDK,to understand the Phenomenon,to see the maximum distance for big objects.

[J_Player]

Hi J_P!
Good question! Finding the truth in this case (LRL) has to do with ripping everything apart (like Carl did with such devices), controlling everything, finding out what information has weight, is true, makes sense. Comparable with repairing something where first have to be found the culprit.

What is trustworthy and what is bullsh*t (and we had too much already of this here in the remote sensing forum)? What could work and what for shure never will work? Does a person acts suspicous or trustful? What kind of motives could drive the involved persons?

We have a genuine X-Files case here that looks nice from the outside (electronical parts, tests that seem to show working devices etc.) but in reality as long as we have no real reapeatable proven tests this is just some chase after aliens or "Montauk Illusions".

And I really hope with the help of Morgan we finally will end this!
He really acts trustworthy to us, he even bought the Mineoro and gave us information how unreliable (if at all) it works and he won't walk into the same footsteps like some "everything fine with LRL"-claimers. It is not fine, not at all.

However there is a way to devide lies from the truth, even for LRL, and we're already on the right track to achieve this goal!

Or are you already that extremly sceptically to negate this possibility completly?

It is not all lies and truth.
There is also a middle ground of illusions which is neither truth or lies.
A person who has no illusions will be an observer rather than a person who passes judgment before seeing all the evidence.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Funfinder]

That's why I posted it in the first place.

The motto is: "Read what's being said very carefully, and don't make assumptions. Only look at the facts."

Full ack. And in our case:
"Analyse extremly carefully what the LRL device really detects and what kind of electronical circuits or parts are functioning at all and how exactly."

Besides words are just virtual symbol-constructions how the generally accepted opinion / people see or describe the world.

That's why words and rhetoric language can be used that manipulative, thats why war-propaganda and commercial-spots works so intense. And (motion) pictures can be the same big big liars!

Trust nobody and nothing, don't even trust in yourself!
This world could be a huge fake especially because everything that is now will became immediatly no longer existing past if it's not a solid material thing (even harddisks, memory cards, flash drives etc. and what your brain can remember over and over again can be seen as solid material thing).

Anyway we just want to find out if a technical product works or not and this should be, no - this IS possible!

[J_Player]

.... Trust nobody and nothing, don't even trust in yourself!
This world could be a huge fake especially because everything that is now will became immediatly no longer existing past if it's not a solid material thing....

Does this mean we should all flush ourselves down the toilet immediately?




Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Trust nobody and nothing, don't even trust in yourself!

Does this mean we should all flush ourselves down the toilet immediately?

I think what Funfinder is trying to say is: "Beware of self-delusion". That's why you MUST use double-blind testing to eliminate any bias in the results due to the human factor (either consciously or unconsciously).

[Funfinder]

This verse is a very old English poem, and the generally accepted answer is 1.

Halt. Who cares what is "generally accepted"? If we want a really correct answer - same with LRL, we have to think different and professional. The earth is a flat dish was long time generally accepted, but neverthless completly wrong.



And this riddle is not an exact enough describtion.

Are you happy if you ask your bank-account-manager how much money you have and he says: "You have much or enough money." Yeah , maybe, because this is good news, but what you want to know is the exact amount of money.


The correct answer to the St. Ives riddle is not something generally accepted but the answer:


If you don't give me the true details, I can and will not answer your fooling trick!


And this we have to apply to the LRL topic.

Because 1 could be for shure wrong! Do you have any proofs the man and wifes did NOT went to St. Ives? No.

The riddle misses crucial important information to find the real answer.


You also could answer to the question:

How many were going to St Ives?

First I need to know if the man and the wifes were going to St. Ives, too, like the riddle and question tries to suggest or not. Otherwise there are three possible answers: 1, 9 and 2802!


And because just there is nowhere written that man and wifes did not went also to St. Ives, how you can claim that 1 is the right answer?

Conclusion:
Lacks of informations will lead to wrong or unexcactly answers!


What to do against this - same with LRL?
Asking the needed questions that make the "unknown variables" visible so we can calculate with them.


Now let's take a look what kind of missing information LRL provides:

It is the missing or whole truth they won't to tell us.

Comparable with a fast car where they "forget" to tell you how thirsty it is.

OK, they claim the LRL work. What they don't tell us is:
- it doesn't works outside the calibrated country
- it doesn't works if weather is bad
- it doesn't works if soil is strongly mineralized
- it doesn't works if houses with electritity are nearby
- it doesn't works if there are sunstorms or aurora borealis
- it doesn't works if the gold is covered by iron

And and and...

But they also won't tell us how it works at all, electronically seen.
This is our "industrial secret". No, this is just hiding important information so nobody is able to proof if this stuff really works or not!

And we will not accept this behaviour!
Because we want real working and proofen reliable products and no magic esoterical dream trips sealed in little wonder-box!

That's why I ask such questions to Morgan like:

Are you able to calibrate it for iron, too.
Because if it's possible, we have already the exact location of the signal processing or "resonance tuning" or whatever - this is a first step to find out what the electronic does, what kind of signals those stage needs and how it get them.


If we answer to this St. Ives riddle just simply with 1 we are on the same level like people that should answer if they think a LRL works or not. They have their corrupt information (comparable with rumors) and constructing their opinions from these.

Without asking for the crucial missing information!

And this can't go on. We will find out the missing information and we know already very well what kind of missing information is needed to enables us to find out if a LRL can work at all or not.

It is absolutly simple:
action - reaction!

If there is real interaction between metal and LRL there have to be repeatable reaction-results. We will find out in which way the LRL reacts on the metal if it reacts at all!

We have 3 steps:
* Is the LRL-worker reliable or a cheater?
* What the electronical parts are really doing?
* Forensic analysing of "seems really to work!" field tests.

Do we have here electronically very experienced persons????

YEESSS, we have !!!!

So those persons have to get the missing information of recreatable "seems really to work" LRL circuit and can make their own tests!

If they won't give us this information this is already a proof they want to hide something, it's already fishy then.

But they have no chance, because if they claim their device works we will test if those devices are really working!

Luckily we have Morgan who's very interrested in a good working LRL and those already published circuits that also Morgan is using with some small modifications so we can recreate very well working (or not working...) LRLs already.

We even have computer programs that are simulating / emulating electronical circuits.


So let's ask the needed questions, let's get the missing information and let's find out once and for all if at least one LRL is really working or not!

[Funfinder]

Does this mean we should all flush ourselves down the toilet immediately?




Best wishes,
J_P

Answer1:
Thanx for this fantastic poster - perfect for a suicide-forum!


Answer2:
As long as the homo sapiens is not an immortal being he and his beloved ones can die all of a sudden and then they have their own "good bye" or their "cruel world".


Answer3:
Qiaozhi's reply was a very clever forward thinking idea, perfectly fitting how we should deal with LRL believes and believers. Stop stupid and weak self-delusion, even if it feels so good for some!


Answer4:
> Does this mean we should all flush ourselves down the toilet immediately?
If your toilet is a real solid material thing you can try it.
But why you should? If your body, your food, your house, your personality, your friends and all the stuff you need for a good life is stable, secure and "true" enough you have a very high chance that this will remain for longer this way and not will dissolve into thin air.

However alot people have to deal with earthquakes, diseases, hunger, war and other bad things so their stable life is not so shure.
And if someone can't bear or accept the losses of his "rich past", like the death of his beloved life-partner or his huge wealth or good health, he may indeed wishes to flush himself down the drain.


Answer5:
What I really wanted to tell was that we should distinct between permanent or durable existing stuff and abstract things like symbols, words, claims, illusions, things that only looks like they're real but in truth they're not.

Or in other words:
First built a massive tower on solid ground and only then chase clouds! I know, atoms, electrons, EMwaves, space-time and all the structures our world is built of is not always the same as what we think or see with our eyes, but if we want to have life-improvements from this kind of stuff, we need reliable construction- and recognitionmethods.

We are dealing here with wireless signal transmission on electro-magnetical level, comparable with the first radio broadcasts, and for shure in 1900 most of the people had have not the slightest clue how this kind of stuff works or can work at all!!! But who cares if a kid has no idea how that mobile internet stick works, it works and the kid uses it. For native indians a radio may look like a magical demon speaker but it's not.

If we know the differences between real permanent and solid existing stuff we can work with and where we get repeatable, identical results and on the other hand deceiving claims, illusions, wannabe scientific theories and selfdissolving things like those that are connected with the future-present-past issue we can understand, invent and built real working things!

And that's why we're here in this forum and we will find out if LRL that way we would like and understand it is possible or not.

[Morgan]

LRL experiments

Full ack. And in our case:
"Analyse extremly carefully what the LRL device really detects and what kind of electronical circuits or parts are functioning at all and how exactly."

Besides words are just virtual symbol-constructions how the generally accepted opinion / people see or describe the world.

That's why words and rhetoric language can be used that manipulative, thats why war-propaganda and commercial-spots works so intense. And (motion) pictures can be the same big big liars!

Trust nobody and nothing, don't even trust in yourself!
This world could be a huge fake especially because everything that is now will became immediatly no longer existing past if it's not a solid material thing (even harddisks, memory cards, flash drives etc. and what your brain can remember over and over again can be seen as solid material thing).

Anyway we just want to find out if a technical product works or not and this should be, no - this IS possible!

Luckily we have Morgan who's very interrested in a good working LRL and those already published circuits that also Morgan is using with some small modifications so we can recreate very well working (or not working...) LRLs already.

We even have computer programs that are simulating / emulating electronical circuits.


So let's ask the needed questions, let's get the missing information and let's find out once and for all if at least one LRL is really working or not!


If i say here that LRL´s work(i mean my PD and the PDK) is becouse it works as LRL,i´m not interested to deceive people here with empty holes.
Let me organize the LRL films. What i chose to present here in the film is PD and PDK demonstration,where you can see the PDK detecting one silver bracelet(buried 2 years ago with salt,40 cm deep) three times more distant than the PDK,and with accurate pinpoint.
For my big surprize i buy one exellent digital camera,but not as sensitivity for the high pitch sounds emited by the PDK Rollei made in GERMANY...
I need to buy other one,maybe Japaneese?...

[LRLMAN]

EN ESPERA

Luckily we have Morgan who's very interrested in a good working LRL and those already published circuits that also Morgan is using with some small modifications so we can recreate very well working (or not working...) LRLs already.

We even have computer programs that are simulating / emulating electronical circuits.


So let's ask the needed questions, let's get the missing information and let's find out once and for all if at least one LRL is really working or not!


If i say here that LRL´s work(i mean my PD and the PDK) is becouse it works as LRL,i´m not interested to deceive people here with empty holes.
Let me organize the LRL films. What i chose to present here in the film is PD and PDK demonstration,where you can see the PDK detecting one silver bracelet(buried 2 years ago with salt,40 cm deep) three times more distant than the PDK,and with accurate pinpoint.
For my big surprize i buy one exellent digital camera,but not as sensitivity for the high pitch sounds emited by the PDK Rollei made in GERMANY...
I need to buy other one,maybe Japaneese?...

Thank you so much friend Morgan you do not know how I will appreciate these videos that you can show I'm sure will be very motivation for some of this forum who believe in this thinks.

Many greetings to you and everyone in this forum

lrlman

[Funfinder]

Hi Morgan,

> If i say here that LRL´s work(i mean my PD and the PDK) is becouse it works as LRL,i´m not interested to deceive people here with empty holes.

That's the right attitude and we want to trust in you and your good work! Who think's that Morgan is a liar shall write it now (WM6, perhaps you?)

However generally spoken LRL contains the problem of imposting and false "stardom":


"Look at me, I am the only one in the whole world that has a working LRL - now I'm famous!"

And for keeping this fairytale alive such persons start to use cunning tricks like magician-artists. They like to stand in the middle and making a big show.

Morgan, I know you are not such person but please give us the most best possible informations and don't keep us waiting for too long!!!


Good luck for getting a camera (btw. you also could buy a cheap stereo mini-dv camcorder, those have good audio) but I think this is not the problem, what we need are repeatable test results and "repeatable" circuits / LRL or in our case PD detector versions!

[Morgan]

PDK project

Hi Morgan,

> If i say here that LRL´s work(i mean my PD and the PDK) is becouse it works as LRL,i´m not interested to deceive people here with empty holes.

That's the right attitude and we want to trust in you and your good work! Who think's that Morgan is a liar shall write it now (WM6, perhaps you?)

However generally spoken LRL contains the problem of imposting and false "stardom":


"Look at me, I am the only one in the whole world that has a working LRL - now I'm famous!"

And for keeping this fairytale alive such persons start to use cunning tricks like magician-artists. They like to stand in the middle and making a big show.

Morgan, I know you are not such person but please give us the most best possible informations and don't keep us waiting for too long!!!


Good luck for getting a camera (btw. you also could buy a cheap stereo mini-dv camcorder, those have good audio) but I think this is not the problem, what we need are repeatable test results and "repeatable" circuits / LRL or in our case PD detector versions!

You will not wait too long

And again i repeat,the PDK works fine as LRL,is not short range locator as my PD,anyway distances are limited ,100´s of meters or Km´s are not possible.

Regards

[LRLMAN]

Remember to me

You will not wait too long

And again i repeat,the PDK works fine as LRL,is not short range locator as my PD,anyway distances are limited ,100´s of meters or Km´s are not possible.

Regards

Master Morgan, here I am again, and I ask that when present his latest project please remember to me.

with much respect, get a good greeting.

LRLMAN.