OBMD-1

[J_Player]

@ J_P
Don't forget, I don't care about what you write! Persons like you, WM6 and Morgan just are poisoning this forum and are unable for fair communication and the needed professional scientifical work.

Hi Funfinder,
How can I forget your words?
They are all over the Geotech forum in places where you cannot erase them.

We all know you don't care what I write.
But you might be wise to read what I write.
You will see I am writing YOUR WORDS -- Not mine.
The poison you say I am putting in this forum was written by YOU.

look at your words again:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18232

http://www.youtube.com/user/CryptonGreece

We can see here a working LRL that is based on the known principle of electrolytical current EM wave distortion but it also works under moist conditions.

This unit will be produced in Greece in a few weeks/months and I will test and support it for middle europe.

btw. I don't care if it's based on some old Mineoro circuit like Morgans pistol detectors because the main important fact is the real reliable improvement that Mineoro misses. Therefore Morgan and everyone has fully the justified right to make a real reliable working detector!

The unit will be available for a very fair and low price and it will be a huge improvement for all treasure hunters!

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=136726#post136726

In most cases all those "owner-rights" shall go to hell because they make just problems as we can see with p2p, the film, game and music industry and how arrogant they're acting against the consumer or safety-backupers.

Shure, the inventor(s) should get their reward for their good work, but not over hundred of years and not by creating monopoles.

All those f**** licences and stuff makes everything just extremly expensive and destroys the free development and improvement.

Are you unable to answer your words that it is ok to take other peoples private information to use it for your commercial activities?
Are you unable to show how it is not true that you will be promoting commercial LRL sales in middle Europe?

We know you don't care what I write.
But do you care when other people read your words?

Do you have some new meanings to give for the words you posted?
Or shall we believe your words in my post are poison for the forum?


Best wishes,
J_p

[J_Player]

In most cases all those "owner-rights" shall go to hell because they make just problems as we can see with p2p, the film, game and music industry and how arrogant they're acting against the consumer or safety-backupers.

Shure, the inventor(s) should get their reward for their good work, but not over hundred of years and not by creating monopoles.

All those f**** licences and stuff makes everything just extremly expensive and destroys the free development and improvement.

Hi Funfinder,
We see from your first post that you will support your new Greek commercial LRL in middle Europe.
And you are already supporting OKM here in the forum.
It also appears you may support OKM as another of your commercial LRL for middle Europe in your product line.
And we know you believe that "owners rights shall go to hell" from your previous post.

So here is my question:
Can we expect you will post the schematic for the Greek Crypton LRL here so we can study it for free scientific development and improvement that you say is necessary?
Will you be posting the schematics for the OKM products here too?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

From "Basic Rules of the Forum"

If you disagree with something, state your case, and move on.

Regards

[J_Player]

From "Basic Rules of the Forum"

If you disagree with something, state your case, and move on.

Regards

Hi Geo,
I have no disagreement. I have questions.
I watch Funfinder repeat the same information of who he says are the good guys and who are bad guys, but he does not answer simple questions.

My last post is a question that Funfinder does not answer.
But I see you have not made any comment about my questions either.
So I ask you:

1. In your opinion, is it ok to take private information and copyrighted circuits to use for commercial activities?
Or do you think this is wrong?

2. Do you think Funfinder will publish the Crypton circuit or OKM circuits in the Geotech forums so we can study them for free scientific development and improvement?
Or do you think Funfinder will not publish these circuits?


Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

! Persons like you, WM6 and Morgan just are poisoning this forum and are unable for fair communication and the needed professional scientifical work.

How crude words, dear Funfinder.

You shall never forget, that I am your big fan and best friend here on forum. And Morgan and J_P are really nice, friendly and cooperative guy too, almost like you.

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
I have no disagreement. I have questions.
I watch Funfinder repeat the same information of who he says are the good guys and who are bad guys, but he does not answer simple questions.

My last post is a question that Funfinder does not answer.
But I see you have not made any comment about my questions either.
So I ask you:

1. In your opinion, is it ok to take private information and copyrighted circuits to use for commercial activities?
Or do you think this is wrong?

2. Do you think Funfinder will publish the Crypton circuit or OKM circuits in the Geotech forums so we can study them for free scientific development and improvement?
Or do you think Funfinder will not publish these circuits?


Best wishes,
J_P

΅
Hahahaha
Hi J_P.
My opinion for first question is "Wrong", but what is happening for a copyrighted circuit ligh modificated ???
The second question is wrong because both detectors (OKM and Crypton) will be full or glue inside so not easy to make a good reverse engineering.


Regards

[J_Player]

΅
Hahahaha
Hi J_P.
My opinion for first question is "Wrong", but what is happening for a copyrighted circuit ligh modificated ???
The second question is wrong because both detectors (OKM and Crypton) will be full or glue inside so not easy to make a good reverse engineering.


Regards

You give some interesting answers, Geo.
I agree with you it is wrong to use copyrighted materials that you don't own for commercial purposes.

You ask what is happening for a copyrighted circuit modified?
Circuit features are usually patented rather than copyrighted.
But if a valid patent or copyright exists, then the circuit cannot be used for commercial purposes unless you have obtained a license or permission from the person who owns the patented or copyrighted part of the circuit.
We see there are many electronic machines which have been modified, and have several patents from different patent owners that are being sold commercially by a company.
A company who sells these these modified electronic products first obtains licenses and agreements with the owners of the patents before they sell a product that has patented parts inside.

But what about private information?
What about circuits and other information about electronic projects which is not copyrighted, but is kept private?
Is it your opinion that private information should remain as private property of the people who own this information?
Or should the private information be made public for everyone to use?

The second question about Crypton and OKM is not wrong.
We have seen how Alexismex removed epoxy to show the parts inside of a Mineoro locator.
And my question remains:
Do you think Funfinder will publish the Crypton circuit or the OKM circuit?
Or do you think he will not publish these circuits?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.
For me are simple.......
Private information must be private if the owner of them don't like to give them to other persons....
Now about to modify a device or circuit. If the modification makes a new or a better device then i agree. But if it makes ONLY a new device with nothing better or nothing new details then it is Wrong.
About Funfinder... i believe that he can't make reverse engineering to OKM or Crypton so to give the schematics here. But no representative don't gives secret information out.
As i know Funfinder is not yet a representative of OKM or other device so we speak for to speak.

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
For me are simple.......
Private information must be private if the owner of them don't like to give them to other persons....
Now about to modify a device or circuit. If the modification makes a new or a better device then i agree. But if it makes ONLY a new device with nothing better or nothing new details then it is Wrong.
About Funfinder... i believe that he can't make reverse engineering to OKM or Crypton so to give the schematics here. But no representative don't gives secret information out.
As i know Funfinder is not yet a representative of OKM or other device so we speak for to speak.

Regards

Hi Geo,
I also agree with you about private information.
Private information belongs to the people who own it.
It does not belong to other people unless the owner decides to give it to them.
I can see you agree with me that it is wrong to take private property and copyrighted materials to use in for commercial purposes.
But Funfinder does not agree with you or me.
He says it is ok to take private property and copyrighted materials for commercial purposes.

I don't agree about your idea for using patented or copyrighted circuits which are modified to make nothing better than the original patented circuit.
It does not make a difference if the modification is an improvement or if it is no improvement.
You still cannot use patented or copyrighted materials for commercial purposes unless you pay the owner of the copyright for to use his property.
This is the law in all civilized countries.

I also agree that Funfinder is not capable of reverse engineering any OKM circuits or the Crypton circuit.
So I agree that I think he will not publish these circuits.
But I could be wrong.
Funfinder says he is very important and knows many other important people in Europe.
So maybe he knows someone who will reverse-engineer these LRLs for him so he can publish the circuits in the forum.

Maybe we must wait and see what he will do, since he does not answer the questions about his belief that it is important to use private information and copyrighted materials for free development and improvement.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.

I think we begin to stray from the subject

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.

I think we begin to stray from the subject

Regards

Hi Geo,

I think you make a mistake.
We are at the exact subject that Funfinder opened.
Look at the top post that Funfinder made to start the subject:

This unit will be produced in Greece in a few weeks/months and I will test and support it for middle europe.

btw. I don't care if it's based on some old Mineoro circuit like Morgans pistol detectors because the main important fact is the real reliable improvement that Mineoro misses. Therefore Morgan and everyone has fully the justified right to make a real reliable working detector!

The unit will be available for a very fair and low price and it will be a huge improvement for all treasure hunters!

Do you see where he says he will be supporting a commercial LRL for sale?
Do you see where he says he does not care if this commercial LRL is based on Mineoro or Morgan's detectors?
I am talking about the same subject that Funfinder started.

His subject is that he will be supporting a commercial LRL for sale in Europe.
His subject is that he does not care if his commercial LRL activities use Mineoro circuits or Morgan's circuits.
If this is not the subject, then what is the subject?

Have you found a different subject that we should discuss instead of the subjects that Funfinder opens here?


Best wishes,
J_P

[teknoloji]

picture a lot more effective, is ..Pictures tell everything.Morgan okm mineora and others ...

[J_Player]

picture a lot more effective, is ..Pictures tell everything.Morgan okm mineora and others ...

Does this picture tell the story of commercial LRLs for sale?




Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Last time i try to do reverse engineering of the OBMD-1. If all will go OK then i will give the schematic here as a present for new year.

Regards

[teknoloji]

I'm afraid..

Best wishes