Simple question

[goldfinder]

Yes - sure

Are you sure?
Are you really really sure?!
If you are than please reconsider what have you just answered:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_wave

Please read this and reconsider.
Try to understand the definition of longitudinal waves.
In addition see this link:

http://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/transverse_longitudinal_waves.htm

Yes - read:

http://spiritualscience.net.au/resources/konstantin-meyl.html

http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=40_Media&page=1&sublevel=0

There is a lot more. Tom Bearden discussed scalar waves and mentioned briefly in one of his talks that using scalar waves which are longitudinal waves can be used to detect at long distances. He also mentioned some of his associates had such detectors.

I also know a person who has such a detector. He is located in western Texas and does surveys with his equipment. Unfortunately, he is not interested in any notoriety.

I am giving you folks some hints so you can research this if you have the inclination. I am not interested in discussing this subject as none on this website have ever indicated any knowledge of new advanced technology nor do any of you seem to have the background. so you can chew away on me an make any fun of this you want but this is new technology coming down that is quite groundbreaking.

Goldfinder

[WM6]

... new advanced technology nor do any of you seem to have the background.

Agree one need a huge of blackground for such "new advanced technology".

..... this is new technology coming down....

Agree again, this new technology is really coming very very down.

[Carl-NC]

I don't make any claims and I'm not really interested in telling you what I think. Besides, everyone uses it as they see fit. I use it to detect the signal line from an MFD. I don't try to sell them. If you want to do a test it will cost you the $2500 and I will throw in some lessons and a rod. If I win I will wave the fee. I will have a few requirements like you will not be allowed within fifty yards of the test area in case you decide to "throw a wrench into the gears" (sprinkle some powder over the area to contaminate things). Also I will require the gold to be washed so there is no sealant on it. I don't recall reading your conditions, but I assume they are like randi's and you will only pay if you feel like it. As you can see I don't even care if I win.

I am shocked, once again you completely avoided the questions. Why are these questions so easy for a metal detector but so difficult for an LRL?

I personally saw your devices at the Texas Treasure Show a couple of years ago, where you were trying to sell them through a vendor (you even said so). So what does the durn thing do? Anything? Nothing? Whatever the buyer wants to believe it does?

Mike, I don't think you can do jack squat. I believe you are blowing smoke, nothing but a blustering bombastic braggart. The statements you've made over the years concerning your abilities are misleading, deceptive, and downright fabricated. You can't even dowse!

And now you want me to pay you to watch you fail? Why in the world would I do that? Arch on TNet also wanted me to pay to watch him fail. Is that the New Standard for LRL proponents? This tells me more than ever that not only can you not do it, but you yourself are 100% convinced that you cannot do it! And everyone else knows it, too.

You make and sell a device that does nothing useful, you want me to pay you $2500 to see it fail, and you call me unethical? Do you see an h-bomb in any of this?

[Jim]

I would pay to watch Mike fail.

Humor such as this is priceless.

[J_Player]

I would pay to watch Mike fail.

Humor such as this is priceless.

Not me...
I can see hundreds of strangers fail every time at the local beach.
It is easy.
Take whatever LRL you can get your hands on and go to the beach where people hunt for lost jewelry.
Then walk around with the LRL as if to search for something buried.
People will ask what the heck you think you are doing.

This is your chance.
You tell them this is a treasure machine... Here, try it out...
And watch them fail to find anything, at no cost to you.

Better idea is to go metal detecting at the beach.
Then you get a chance to find lost jewelry instead of watching LRL failures.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

I won't pay a dime for failure, but would pay dearly to see success. Requirement #1 is someone who believes they can actually do the dirty deed. Mike doesn't even meet this threshold, and the funny part is, he said so!

[J_Player]

I won't pay a dime for failure, but would pay dearly to see success. Requirement #1 is someone who believes they can actually do the dirty deed. Mike doesn't even meet this threshold, and the funny part is, he said so!

Yup, he did.



Best wishes,
J_P

[ivconic]

One of the problems with asking "What is an LRL signal?" is that the answer can be (and usually is) based entirely within pseudoscience. There is literally no limit to the amount of junk science LRL proponents can toss into the discussions. And how can you possibly discuss the issue when they're so far out of touch with reality?

That's why I prefer a simple "Show Me." That gets 'em every time. All those theories are worth exactly squat when they fail to make the durn thing work, every single time.

It is a fact, neither than i; never actually saw neither one case which can support nor prove any of such claims.
Ok, those devices simply are not working, but what is most funny is the fact that all those people actually can't explain nor
understand the "working" principles (maybe because there aren't any at all! ) of those devices they are usually using!?
That's the most funniest fact in whole story!
I am using conventional VLF I/B and PI and i can understand how those are working , also i can explain that to someone who might ask me,
but LRL proponents ;those - can not do the same with their devices!
I purposely started this topic and asked such simple question just to show that fact.
"..There is literally no limit to the amount of junk science LRL proponents can toss into the discussions. .."
That's also fact and we were and are witness of it on these forums.
So far we saw rich variety of most unbelievable explanations, theories, "facts".... sheeesh!
Again, i wanted all those people to return to the beginning of a story and just to try to answer on very simple question.
So far i get only "longitudinal waves" as answer!? Not true! Of course!
Not only that answer was wrong - but also is most nonsense answer that i could imagine!
I don't need to debate this, it is so trivial and absurd, that's why i only gave link to Wiki definitions of lwaves...
You (Carl) already debunked pretty successfully another theory - "ionic...whatever it was" , in the past.
So; answer is NOT "lwaves" and answer is not "ions or whatever similar"...
Ok.. let's wait to hear something new!

[ivconic]

Yes - read:

http://spiritualscience.net.au/resources/konstantin-meyl.html

http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=40_Media&page=1&sublevel=0

There is a lot more. Tom Bearden discussed scalar waves and mentioned briefly in one of his talks that using scalar waves which are longitudinal waves can be used to detect at long distances. He also mentioned some of his associates had such detectors.

I also know a person who has such a detector. He is located in western Texas and does surveys with his equipment. Unfortunately, he is not interested in any notoriety.

I am giving you folks some hints so you can research this if you have the inclination. I am not interested in discussing this subject as none on this website have ever indicated any knowledge of new advanced technology nor do any of you seem to have the background. so you can chew away on me an make any fun of this you want but this is new technology coming down that is quite groundbreaking.

Goldfinder

Ok, i wanted to respect your attitude and visited that link, although to tell you the truth;
usually i wouldn't do such thing because anything that starts like "spiritual..." is already having very negative contest in my mind.
And word "spiritual..." in the headline of that page is already telling us much!
Like Carl previously noticed; there is a lot of "sense" taken from regular science and mixed up with pseudo science, offered in such and similar articles.
That's why such articles are usually perfect "catch up" and decoy for most of naive and common sensed people that are about to enter the "LRL world".
OK, just pay attention on this sentence:
"...The missing experimental pieces in Meyl's theory eventually came from the work of Tesla.." !!
It's been said "eventually" !
And that puts the end on the rest of a story.
As Nikola Tesla compatriot and the one who is pretty interested in his work;
i simply don't like to see how various people tends so easy to mix his name and work with something which usually has nothing to do with.
Who the heck is Tom Bearden!?
Retired Lieutenant Colonel U.S. Army!
So?
Do i have to take him serious?
We here are also having one Retired Lieutenant Colonel named Zvonimir Jankovic, the inventor of Radijan 97 and Radijan 2001.
Already mentioned here:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12112

So?
Just another charlatan as all those retired army people!

[ivconic]

Scalar Waves: Theory and Experiments
KONSTANTIN MEYL

http://www.scientificexploration.org..._15_2_meyl.pdf

[ivconic]

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=238709

Wikipedia.org labels Scalar Wave theory as pseudoscience.


".....We do not permit crackpot theories here on the PF....."

See? Now you also can see why Carl is most democratic forum owner ever!

[ivconic]

"...It's that time again - yes, we have yet another wacko reinvention of physics that pretends to have math on its side...."

[ivconic]

Actually; whole story is turning all the time around this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb_potential

Which also has nothing to do with LRL!

[ivconic]

Sheeeesh!
I made HUGE mistake now by posting these links!
Because now it can provoke bedlam of new LRL designs!
I bet majority will be based on Coulomb's torsion balance!!!
Carl get ready for the incoming LRL tsunami here!

[satdaveuk]

Very interesting stuff but none of it makes sense to me at all can anyone here actually explain how this system works in engineering terms or is it a science beyond human realms