Your feedback wanted on dowsing.

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...And this is what I mean when I say 'estabilishment's favorite agents' above in my previous post...

http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTri...ex.html#UPDATE

Now you know why those kind of discoveries are always put 'under the carpet'...

The choice is yours. Either wake up or .. keep on sleeping...

Just a final remark.

[Dell Winders]

Unfortunately we got to the point of empty discussions and not getting anywhere as long as the proclaimers of 'real science' keep insisting on citing the lack of scientific basis to confirm a phenomena.

My sentiments also. Some folks just want to argue about anything that is in conflict with their belief system. For those folks that believe they already know everything there is nothing more to learn. Sad, but no doubt there are also Scientific pretenders.

[J_Player]

Hey Dell,
Thats an interesting picture. Is he causing that magnet to float in mid air with his fingers alone, or is there another magnet involved?

[Esteban]

More deviation. Themes don't ends.

Cooking coins and nuts


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[Dell Winders]

Hey Dell,
Thats an interesting picture. Is he causing that magnet to float in mid air with his fingers alone, or is there another magnet involved?

According to the article, an electromagnet is located 2.5 meters above.

"Scientists have now shown that forces from everyday materials---wood, plants, even a person's fingers---can help levitate small magnets placed in a magnetic field, causing them to hover motionless in space.

Physcist's had never before acheived stationary levitation without using superconductors. A 157 year-old theorm stipulates that no arrangement of magnets can make them stay in a stable equilibrium."

Although not directly related, about 12 years ago, I was visited by two Scientist, one from France, and the other from Canada, who had an Independent test laboratory in Canada. They showed me a video of a two foot aluminum model Ferris wheel with strategically placed magnetics. The wheel appeared to be operating contininously on it's own generated power with out any attached conventional power source. They had a belt driven windmill connecting to the wheel which demonstrated that the wheel produced more energy than it consumed. (perpetual motion?)

For whatever it is worth to anyone, The Scientist informed me that there was a yet untapped energy source that lies between electricity, and static electricity. Food for thought? Dell

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For whatever it is worth to anyone, The Scientist informed me that there was a yet untapped energy source that lies between electricity, and static electricity. Food for thought? Dell

One aspect of Vector Zero Energy.
Tesla built transmitters which tapped this vector back in 1943 for the 'Philadelphia Experiment'.

[J_Player]

Interesting, Dell,
If there is an electromagnet above, and there is no trick photography involved, then this is a demonstration of diamagnetic properties in the guys fingers. The properties of common wood, plants and a person's fingers have never been shown to develop magnetic properties that can attract a piece of iron. But they can demonstrate weak diamanetic properties under certain conditions. I would think that if his fingers play a role in what we are looking at in the picture, they are acting against the magnetic field. That is to say, his fingers are not drawing the little magnet up in the air, but acting against the magnetic field to keep the magnet from "losing it's balance" so to speak.

I speculated a little on the concept of water streams ionizing and even possibly having polarized local effects in an earlier post. But these are in minute amounts that are hard to measure. This is because we are talking about weak forces that work on a molecular level. The same is true of any diamagnetic properties to be found in non-magnetic materials. If this picture you posted is not a stop-action photo, then that little magnet and the man's hand are in a VERY strong magnetic field. Otherwise we should expect the magnet to either swing up to try to attach to the electromagnet, or fall down away from it.

This is why I question any diamagnetic fields having a measurable effect on LRLs or dowsing. Because, with the exception of superconductors, the diamagnetic properties of non-magnetic materials is so weak that you would have to use a magnetic field hundreds of times stronger than the earth's magnetic field to detect any sizable force. Keep in mind that there is a big difference between diamagnetic properties and magnetic properties. We are talking about a property that repels a magnetic field, not a property that will cling to iron filings.

Very interesting photo.

[Dell Winders]

I have heard that there is a variety of different types of Magnetic "fields" so apparently one type of application would not fit all, or result with the same effects.

The repelling force that seems to affect the LRL Rod(s) appears "As If" it is more magnetic, than electrical. In that context, I built an experimental magnetic/harmonics prototype based on a theory I developed in the field study of MFD, of what I think could be classified as a method of Magnetic ressonance.

The DB field test results and development potential seem almost magical to my limited ability of fully understanding the physics that are being employed. The use of Remote sensing Discrimination in my Treasure Searches continues to be a great learning experience for me. Dell

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The repelling force that seems to affect the LRL Rod(s) appears "As If" it is more magnetic, than electrical. In that context, I built an experimental magnetic/harmonics prototype based on a theory I developed in the field study of MFD, of what I think could be classified as a method of Magnetic ressonance.

This is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned.

[J_Player]

Hi Dell,
If there is a magnetic repelling force strong enough to move the weight of a LRL rod, then that magnetic field in the vicinity of the rod can be easily measured with a simple fluxgate sensor. You are talking about force from a magnetic field stronger than the earth's magnetic field. By testing with a standard fluxgate sensor you could easily verify whether it is indeed a magnetic field moving the LRL rod. However, the rods would have to be made of some material that is influenced by a magnet in order for this magnetic force to move it. The exception is if the rod is held in the operator's hand, where the force moving the rod might come from the operator rather than a magnetic field pushing the rod aside.

It is hard to imagine that the force moving the rod is caused by a diamagnetic field. A diamagnetic force can be felt by magnetic materials only when they are in close proximity to the substance exerting the diamagnetic force. In addition, both the magnetic sensor and the diamagnetic material sensed must be in a VERY strong secondary magnetic field, several hundred times stronger than the earth's magnetic field. This is to say that the sensor for a diamagnetic field will not feel any force acting on it until it is within less than an inch of the diamagnetic material it is searching for and there is also a huge magnetic field induced through both the sensor and the diamagnetic material. If the force of a diamagnetic material is to be felt over a distance of several feet, we would need to be enveloped in a magnetic field millions of times stronger than the earth's magnetic field. Such a field would be certainly strong enough to up-root every magnetic object and debris from the ground in the vicinity as well as all the magnetic materials worn or carried on the experimenters.

If your experimental prototype is classified as a magnetic resonance sensor, then it is by its classification measuring the magnetic properties of the nucleus of atoms. Magnetic resonance is used in industry to obtain physical, chemical, electronic and structural information about a molecule, and is also well-known in the medical field for generating MRI images. The magnetic resonant sensors in these machines generaly require huge magnetic field generating equipment and special shielding at the sample. If you built a prototype that can be carried in a person's hand, I would be most interested to learn more about it.

[Dell Winders]

I've seen a lot of different principles and theories advanced by LRL manufacturers, and users, over the past 25 years but in my own use and testing of these products I have evidenced no variation in the physics, just differences of opinion, and mis-leading advertising ploys.

In the final analysis, we all might be wrong. Dell

[J_Player]

Well, Dell,
Can you think of any reason why the advertizer of a LRL would not tell the consumer that the user must use meta-physical skills in order for the machine to function?

I noticed on your products page you come close to that by telling the consumer to do a simple experiment with home-made dowsing rods before deciding to buy.

But most LRL advertizing says nothing about the user needing to have dowsing abilities or meta-physical knowledge in order for the machines to work. I have read posts by a number of people who say they bought different LRLs and can't get them to work. None of the manufacturers seem to provide any test demonstrations before they buy, and they don't generally give refunds, from what I heard.

Do you know why most don't do business like the average conventional metal detector shops?

[Dell Winders]

Can you think of any reason why the advertizer of a LRL would not tell the consumer that the user must use meta-physical skills in order for the machine to function?

Perhaps I am not understanding the logic of your question? If the LRL was not intended, or designed to be operated as a Mental Dowsing tool, I would not understand why the advertiser would lie by telling the consumer it was a mental Dowsing tool? That doesn't make sense.

I noticed on your products page you come close to that by telling the consumer to do a simple experiment with home-made dowsing rods before deciding to buy.

No not at all. A "Field" is generated by the water running through the hose, or an electric current running through a wire to a an operating appliance. With out travelling, and little expense a consumer can test for themself if they will have any problem with the Rods reacting to the "field" of a frequency generated LRL Signal line.

It's pretty straight forward. there is no mental programming or concentrated thought goes into this exercise. The rods will either react as they walk across the running water hose, or power cord, or they won't. I want folks to understand the limitations, before they decide to buy. I try to share my own experience, if it will help folks learn to use their LRL nore effeciently. It doesn't matter to me what manufacturer, or who they purchased their LRL from. So by definition, it is a dowsing exercise, but an exercise in physics, NOT meta-physics.

Although I created the term "Physical Dowsing" to distinguish and catergorize the results of tests conducted on thousands of people during my field research, I consider "Physical" or "physics" when assosciated with the word "Dowsing" to be some what mis-leading.

I use the term "Physical" to make a distinction between two different aspects, incorporated into the broad definition and general description of "Dowsing" which encompasses ANY method where Rod(s) or pendulums are used, whether for the practice of Meta-Physics, or the utilization of physics, or both. The parameters that would clearly define Dowsing, have not been established.

But most LRL advertizing says nothing about the user needing to have dowsing abilities or meta-physical knowledge in order for the machines to work. I have read posts by a number of people who say they bought different LRLs and can't get them to work. None of the manufacturers seem to provide any test demonstrations before they buy, and they don't generally give refunds, from what I heard.

Do you know why most don't do business like the average conventional metal detector shops?

I can't speak for other manufacturers, only myself. Dell

[Dell Winders]

Sorry, I missed this post on the previous page.

Hi Dell,
If there is a magnetic repelling force strong enough to move the weight of a LRL rod, then that magnetic field in the vicinity of the rod can be easily measured with a simple fluxgate sensor. You are talking about force from a magnetic field stronger than the earth's magnetic field. By testing with a standard fluxgate sensor you could easily verify whether it is indeed a magnetic field moving the LRL rod. However, the rods would have to be made of some material that is influenced by a magnet in order for this magnetic force to move it. The exception is if the rod is held in the operator's hand, where the force moving the rod might come from the operator rather than a magnetic field pushing the rod aside.

I have never tried a fluxgate sensor.

The exception has been considered, but it is the less likely occurence. The power of the broadcast transmitter can be regulated, as well as the sensitivity of the receiver Rod, expanding, or reducing the detectable size of the "target field".

Under optimum operating conditions, I can "Feel" the strength of the target "Field" repel against the Rod. I have traced to the location of test targets from 60 feet away while blindfolded.

It is hard to imagine that the force moving the rod is caused by a diamagnetic field. A diamagnetic force can be felt by magnetic materials only when they are in close proximity to the substance exerting the diamagnetic force. In addition, both the magnetic sensor and the diamagnetic material sensed must be in a VERY strong secondary magnetic field, several hundred times stronger than the earth's magnetic field. This is to say that the sensor for a diamagnetic field will not feel any force acting on it until it is within less than an inch of the diamagnetic material it is searching for and there is also a huge magnetic field induced through both the sensor and the diamagnetic material. If the force of a diamagnetic material is to be felt over a distance of several feet, we would need to be enveloped in a magnetic field millions of times stronger than the earth's magnetic field. Such a field would be certainly strong enough to up-root every magnetic object and debris from the ground in the vicinity as well as all the magnetic materials worn or carried on the experimenters.

I don't know. I have never been dis-advantaged by knowing what cannot be done.

If your experimental prototype is classified as a magnetic resonance sensor, then it is by its classification measuring the magnetic properties of the nucleus of atoms. Magnetic resonance is used in industry to obtain physical, chemical, electronic and structural information about a molecule, and is also well-known in the medical field for generating MRI images. The magnetic resonant sensors in these machines generaly require huge magnetic field generating equipment and special shielding at the sample. If you built a prototype that can be carried in a person's hand, I would be most interested to learn more about it.

Again, I don't know. A natural form of Magnetic Resonance is merely a guess. It's an experiment based on a theory so simple the test results amaze me. I wish I had time to devote to more experiments with it. Dell

[Elie]

The deal with the fingers is more balderdash. The fingers are not magnetic; they are diamagnetic. The fingers do not levitate the object; they stabilize it. Someone using a metal detector does not sense metal himself (through the metal detector into his arms, for example). He is able to find metal because he hears the metal detector beep.
Saying that someone can sense something with a dowsing rod or long range locator (because of some property of the human body) is like saying that the fingers are levitating the object. If something is suspended between two magnets and it starts moving toward one, it is, AMAZINGLY enough, possible to stop the object from going toward the magnet by putting your hand in the way. If the object then remains stationary, it does not mean that your hand is levitating it. It means the the property of solidity of your hand keeps the object from moving toward the magnet.