Bob Yocum

[Carl-NC]

Continuing with the Bob Yocum challenge...

Email 5/30/2006

Carl, I am disappointed at your insulting claims of our equipment being an outright 'fraud'.

On Friday, May 26, 2006, I made arrangements to rent the Pavillion in Lampe Park on July 15, 2006 starting at 12 Noon - 3:00pm.

Not only will your piece of gold be under a paper plate (10 of them), but I will hand you nine (9) laboratory-tested samples to place under the other plates at random - known only by you. The test samples are rated at a purity of approximately 96% to 99%. I suggest putting these plates in a line 4 to 6 feet apart. This will be your part of the public demonstration and will be the last part.

I will be inviting the investigator from Consumer Affairs and any other employee of that Office who wishes to attend this demonstration/test.

Carl, since you have accused me of fraud and theft, I am going to change my mind concerning the $25,000 reward for proving our technology will find not only 'your' piece of gold, but all of the other 9 minerals I give you to place under the other 9 plates.

I will be using this opportunity to show off our Omni-Range Master to the general public and other interested organizations.

Regarding your $25,000 prize money, don't forget to bring your checkbook.

Regards,

Bob Yocum
President
Prospector & Treasure Hunter's Hdqtrs., INc.
U S A

[Carl-NC]

My reply:

Email 5/30/2006

Bob,

This is fantastic! However, you've jumped the gun a bit on scheduling... I have a prior committment on the weekend of July 15, as well as the weekend before. I will probably be available the latter half of July, but I suggest we iron out all the details of the test before nailing down a date.

I need to know a few things...

1) Are you saying that you will correctly identify the locations of all 10 samples that are hidden?

2) What are the rough sizes of the samples? I.e., are they large pieces of metal, or granules, or what? How are they identified?

3) What device(s) do you propose to use during the test?

4) Does paper, or cardboard, or plastic, or styrofoam (etc) create a barrier to detection?

5) Are there any considerations for other interferers, i.e., people who wear jewelry, solar activity, weather, moon phase, etc. ?

In the test, you will only be allowed to get within 10 feet of the plates. Would you want wider spacing?

I will begin writing up a contract for the test, and send you a rough draft in the next few days. We can proceed from there.

Regards,
Carl

[Carl-NC]

Continuing...

Email 5/31/2006

Carl - Can you make it on Sat., July 22? Same time - same place. Advise ASAP.

Bob

Email 5/31/2006

Tentatively, yes. But I will need to maintain flexibility in my travel plans, so I reserve the right to change that if necessary.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

No reply on my questions, so I sent a reminder:

Email 6/5/2006

Bob,

I still need answers to the following...

- Do you claim that you will correctly identify the locations of all 10 samples that are hidden?

- What are the samples that you will provide? What are the rough sizes of the samples? I.e., are they large pieces of metal, or granules, or what? How are they identified?

- What device(s) do you propose to use during the test?

- Does paper, or cardboard, or plastic, or styrofoam (etc) create a barrier to detection?

- Are there any considerations for other interferers, i.e., people who wear jewelry, solar activity, weather, moon phase, etc. ?

- In the test, you will only be allowed to get within 10 feet of the plates. Would you want wider spacing?

I cannot write up a contract for the test without details of the protocol. If you have any other concerns or requirements for the protocol, please let me know.

Regards,
Carl

Email 6/7/2006

As we agreed, there will be 10 plastic plates that will be used to conceal one Gold sample. The other 9 samples will be placed under the other plates.....1 sample per plate. The plates will be 4' to 6' apart in a line that will be 100' to 150' away from the Omni-Range Master.

I will select and list all metals that are to be used so that I will know which frequency to select for each metal under each plate. I am expecting 100% discrimination in identifying the metal under each plate.

These samples are all laboratory-grade testing samples 95% to 99.99% pure and are still in the same marked containers in which I received them.

The amounts in each container vary from .5 grams to 25 grams. There is nothing that can create a barrier to finding any substance for which we have a frequency. Even having the target shielded in lead 2" thick won't stop the signal.

Weather conditions or jewelry won't have an adverse affect on this test because the samples we will use are quite rare.

I expect to start from a distance of 30' to 50' away from the Omni and run a line exactly to the correct plate which the sample is under.

You will be given 9 samples to place under each enclosure. You will be the only person who will know the correct location for each specimen until I find them.

As I've indicated previously, I will use this as a promotion for my product.

The invitations to this test will go out to a judge; consumer affairs officer; deputy district atty; police chief; Congressman Jim Gibbons (NV); and Marine military officers, etc.

Lampe Park is a busy place and must be scheduled for rental space. The available dates left are 7/22, 8/5 and 8/12 - all Saturdays. I require a firm date from you ASAP before these dates are taken. If your schedule is too tight, I will have to advertise and run the same demo myself on one of these available dates.

Regards,

Bob Yocum

[Carl-NC]

Continuing...

Email 6/7/2006

I will select and list all metals that are to be used so that I will know which frequency to select for each metal under each plate. I am expecting 100% discrimination in identifying the metal under each plate.

I will need to know the identity of the metals for the contract.

These samples are all laboratory-grade testing samples 95% to 99.99% pure and are still in the same marked containers in which I received them.

What are the sizes of the containers?

As I've indicated previously, I will use this as a promotion for my product.

The invitations to this test will go out to a judge; consumer affairs officer; deputy district atty; police chief; Congressman Jim Gibbons (NV); and Marine military officers, etc.

Lampe Park is a busy place and must be scheduled for rental space. The available dates left are 7/22, 8/5 and 8/12 - all Saturdays. I require a firm date from you ASAP before these dates are taken. If your schedule is too tight, I will have to advertise and run the same demo myself on one of these available dates.

Barring any issues, I am planning on July 22. However, my only interest is seeing whether your product performs in a fair test; I have no interest in your promotional efforts.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

Continuing...

Email 6/9/2006

We have changed the date of the demonstration to SATURDAY, JULY 22, 2006 from 12 Noon to 3PM. This will be held in the Pavilion in Lampe Park, Waterloo Lane off Hwy 395 (Main Street) in Gardnerville, NV.

There will be no further changes.

Barbara for
Prospector & Treasure Hunters

U S A

Email 6/9/2006

Carl - The samples I will give you to use in my demonstration at Lampe Park are in their original containers and are labelled as to their contents.

In answer to your question re the size of the specimen containers, there are only two sizes:

1-1/2" x 2-1/2" and 1/2" x 2-1/2"

All but two of these samples are in the form of metal slugs, spheres or powder - the heaviest being 25 grams.

Bob Yocum

[Carl-NC]

A draft contract was sent for Bob to review:

Email 6/29/2006

Bob,

Attached is a draft contract for the LRL challenge. Please review it and let me know if you have any concerns, additional requirements, or whatever.

Have you contacted the Nevada investigator? Will he be able to come?

Regards,
Carl

[Carl-NC]

Bob replies:

Email 7/7/2006

Carl, give me a step-by-step description of your double-blind test.

What are you expecting it to accomplish over and above ALL the tests that I am going to use in order to prove:
100% discrimination
Accuracy - 1/32 of an inch
Distance of 8 miles
Tracking ability

I will also be using two meteorites in the preliminary test to show that the Omni-Range Master can pick out all of the main minerals present - at least the large ones. Forty-three (43) lbs will be used in the tracking test for nickel, tantalum and osmium.

Also, regarding your contract, how do we arrange to have both notarized signtures on the same copy of the same contract?

Though Consumer Affairs has been invited, I have not had a response from them.

Regards,

Bob Yocum

At this point, I notice that Bob is trying to get me interested in his tests.

Email 7/7/2006

Carl, give me a step-by-step description of your double-blind test.

I pretty much did that in the contract...

The 10 samples will be placed in identical containers, and sand will be added to roughly equalize the weights and/or volumes. The containers will be randomized, sealed with tape, and labeled 1-10. This will be done by myself, in complete seclusion. At this point no one, not even myself, will know which container contains which sample.

The containers will be placed out as you requested, and you will then use your LRL to determine which container holds which sample. You will not be allowed to get closer than 10 feet to the containers, nor use any equipment besides the LRL, nor open any of the containers until you are completely done. You will then get to open each container to see if your identifications were correct.

8 or more correct, you win $25,000 plus the 10-ounce gold bar.

What are you expecting it to accomplish over and above ALL the tests that I am going to use in order to prove:
100% discrimination
Accuracy - 1/32 of an inch
Distance of 8 miles
Tracking ability

I've seen similar tests to these... they prove nothing at all, except your ability to manipulate the L-rods when you know the location of the target. I'm not the least bit interested in these kinds of non-tests.

Ferinstance, you mentioned the "fly speck" piece of gold between bags of lead shot... all you have to do is point the rods at the obviously visible bags and say, "See, I'm picking up the gold that's there." But what if I stuck that tiny piece of gold inside a lead fishing weight, then placed it and 9 other identical fishing weights out in a line... could you identify which one contains the speck of gold? I'll bet no better than someone who just guesses.

I will also be using two meteorites in the preliminary test to show that the Omni-Range Master can pick out all of the main minerals present - at least the large ones. Forty-three (43) lbs will be used in the tracking test for nickel, tantalum and osmium.

Again, you know the location of the meteorites and the minerals they contain, so it is a bogus test.

Also, regarding your contract, how do we arrange to have both notarized signtures on the same copy of the same contract?

Two copies... I will send you a notarized copy, and you send me one.

Though Consumer Affairs has been invited, I have not had a response from them.

I've talked to them... they're not interested in any tests. Their standard of proof is published scientific evidences to back up any claims. So regarding your problems with them, this test will make no difference.

Regards,
Carl

[Carl-NC]

It is 8 days before the scheduled test date:

Email 7/14/2006

Carl -

How should I get this notarized contract to you? Forward your fax or address or how?

Waiting to hear from you.

Bob

Email 7/14/2006

What I sent you was a draft... were there any changes you wanted? If not, I will finalize it and send you a new PDF. I am traveling now and this will have to wait until I return next week. You can then sign/notarize a copy and send it to

Carl Moreland
PO Box 184
Oak Ridge, NC 27310

At this point, it is highly unlikely I will be able to make the July 22 date. This is why I don't like to establish a date until AFTER the contract is fully agreed upon. It will likely be late August until I can fly out to NV, depending on how some other committments pan out.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

Bob now claims that he did not know the contract I sent him was a draft, for his review and feedback, even though I clearly stated it was.

Once again, he talks up the tests that he has devised.

Email 7/19/2006

Carl, the only reason we sent you an e-mail on Friday, July 14, 2006, was because we had no address to send the copy of the document entitled, "Contract" back to you with my notarized signature on it. That was the FIRST notice we had that you were NOT going to attend the demonstration.

If we had not sent the above e-mail, we would not have known you were not going to be present until the day of the demonstration.

We will hold this demonstration with or without you! Enough credible people will be present to act as honest proctors in all of our tests.

In all of these tests we will have at least two proctors. In our accuracy of 1/32" test approximately 150' away from the Omni-Range Master, one proctor will be instructed to watch my hands to be sure I don't move or tilt my hands to make the rods cross. To satisfy any critic, the other one will be watching my feet to be sure that my feet do not move either. This test will be conducted from the north, south, east and west of the Omni.

I will also place a fly-speck of gold between two-25 lb bags of lead shot; turn the Omni on the gold frequency; and prove that the gold will be picked up and the lead will be ignored. We will repeat this test with a red emerald and a small vial of 99.9999% pure Gallium.

We will then test the tracking ability of the Omni on 22 grams of Uranium, 99.7% pure; nitrates, 50-caliber bullet, and nickel again. My hands will be watched to make sure I am not moving them.

The next test will be the one you are afraid of.....placing ten containers out in a line - each approximately 6' apart containing 9 laboratory-grade metals and one of gold. Two proctors will make sure that I don't see which metal is placed in which container and to see if I can identify (100%) the location of each metal.

As a last test, if I have any takers left, I will prove distance and accuracy by taking either the Uranium or the 50-caliber bullet to a location at least 8 miles away and still have 1/32" accuracy.

Finally Carl, you have called me a thief regarding other people's wallets; and an 'exercise in fraud'. These remarks are very insulting and certainly not appreciated.

We cancelled one demonstration date and until last Friday, we believed the July 22nd date was a good one for you. And now, per your e-mail of July 14, 2006, you won't be able to be in Nevada until late August 'depending on how some other commitments pan out".

Carl, there will be no other times you will be able to cancel a demonstration appointment. As far as I am concerned, you have no integrity, an acid tongue, and you're a paper tiger!

Bob Yocum

PS: I am sending you the signed notarized copy of the "Contract" so that you see it was notarized.

[Carl-NC]

Continuing...

Email 7/19/2006

Bob,

I sent you the draft contract several weeks ago, asking for your feedback on it. Until we have fully agreed on the test protocol, and I have a signed contract in hand, there is no way I am going to spend hundreds of dollars to come out to Nevada. That would be foolish.

As I said before, I have absolutely no interest in your "demonstrations," and they have nothing at all to do with my challenge. I've seen other LRL dealers do them before, and I can do them myself... they are not valid tests. Your LRL devices do not work, an assertion I stand firmly behind, backed up with $25,000. And, I don't recall that I've made any public comment about your character.

When I receive a signed copy of the final contract (not the draft), I will see how the remainder of the summer looks, and propose a test date.

Regards,
Carl

Email 7/26/2006

Bob,

I received your signature page on Saturday. I am definitely tied up for the next 3-4 weekends, but will gladly schedule a trip to Gardnerville in late August or early September. Please let me know what works best for you.

Regards,
Carl

[Carl-NC]

Bob sends me his spin on his demonstrations:

Email 7/28/2006

We had a good demonstrtion on July 22 in spite of the heat. All demonstrations we tried were perfect. The demonstration on discrimination was perfect with the dot-size piece of AU between 2, 25 lb bags of lead. We also placed a larger piece of AU there with the same bags of lead and with the same discrimination. I did add a demo on calibrating by pointing out that the larger piece held the rods pointing to my chest much longer than the speck of gold. We then placed a red emerald between the bags of lead and got the same discrimination.

I forgot to mention that I had a person in the audience pick up the same target placed on the top of the lead after the rods were pointing to my chest and the rods opened immediately in all three trials.

In all demonstrations, I cautioned everybody to watch my hands to see if they moved. Some people were 6 feet away and they reported that my hands did not move at all! (I know you have a phobia on the hands-moving subject).

We did do a tracking demonstration on a 43 lb meteorite; 22 Gr of UR; nitrates; and the red emerald. These specimens were carried around the pavillion by volunteers with 100% success - and with no movement in my hands!

Carl, in view of your heavy schedule, cancellations, and our successful demonstration, I am not interested in you or your $25,000.

Bob Yocum

But this is NOT what eyewitnesses to his "tests" have told me:

Email 7/28/2006

Bob,

I've heard from two people who were present at your demonstration -- ironically, both are strong LRL proponents -- and both have painted a completely different picture than have you.

They both say it was a disaster, and that in the only test you performed which had even a hint of fairness to it, you completely failed to locate the targets. Essentially, they said your device only seemed to "work" when you knew the identity and location of the target. They also said you seemed to be forcibly manipulating the L-rods, and that others noticed it, too.

I was also forwarded an email in which you told someone that you did not know the first contract I sent you was a draft. I clearly stated that it was a draft in the email, and I clearly asked you provide feedback on the terms of the contract so that I could finalize it. Please don't blame me for your oversight.

I'm beginning to think that your primary goal was simply to get me out to your sales demo, and not to follow through on the challenge. That's one reason why I never ever make travel plans without a signed contract. As I told you twice before, I have no interest whatsoever in rigged demos that even LRL enthusiasts say were bogus.

Please don't let my busy schedule disuade you from following through on taking the challenge. Remember, I am the one who is traveling, at my expense, and I am the one who is putting up the prize money. Since this is costing you nothing at all, and you need not even leave town, I would hope you could allow me some flexibility in scheduling. Also, the test we have agreed on does not require the rental of a pavilion; we can do it in your back yard, or a school yard, or just about anywhere.

Bob, as soon you give the word that we are still on for this, I will nail down a date and buy a plane ticket. I am eager to see if your LRL will work when you are completely deprived of knowing the locations of the targets you seek. But perhaps after the failures at your sales demo, you already know the answer, and wish to withdraw. Please let me know.

Regards,
Carl

[Carl-NC]

Email 8/8/2006

Bob,

I looks like my travel schedule is open for September, weekend of the 16th, 23rd, or 30th. Please let me know if any of those dates work for you.

If you do not wish to pursue this any further, please respond as such.

Regards,
Carl

No response from Bob. I have to assume that he has withdrawn from the challenge.

[Carl-NC]

Bob posted the following on his web site:

August 9, 2006

Carl, as I pointed out in a recent e-mail to you, I am not going to get on your merry-go-round. We had a demonstration scheduled for your benefit, but you declined for the second time.

I kept my part of the bargain by holding the demonstration and had very successful results proving discrimination, accuracy and tracking ability.

You seem to have a phobia that the rods turn only when the operator moves his hands or fingers to make the rods turn. In my demonstration neither my hands or fingers moved. Yesterday, one of the people present at the demonstration drive in from Silver Springs, NV, to congratulate us on the demonstration of the capabilities of the Omni-Range Master. I asked him if he saw my hands or fingers move during this demonstration. He said, "I was as close to you as anybody and your hands or fingers did not move."

Carl, you never answered my question as to what or who is GeoTech? Secondly, what is your relationship to GeoTech? Thirdly, since there is a metal detector pictured as your (or GeoTech's) logo, what is your connection with the metal detector industry? And fourth, who gave you the authority to run around the country and the internet policing every long-distance mineral locator business?

Sincerely,
Bob Yocum

My reply:

Email 9/3/2006

Bob,

I see from your web page that you are backing out of my challenge, and even blaming me! Furthermore, it appears from your statements that your real objective was only to get me out for your "sales demonstration" which, as I've told you at least twice before, I have absolutely no interest in. I get the clear impression that you only wanted me to see your sales demo, and had no intention of following through on the challenge.

I will maintain my offer of $25,000 plus 10 ounces of gold, if your LRL does what you claim it will do. Since my challenge requires nothing of you but a few hours of your time, your decision to reject my $25,000 offer indicates that your LRL does not do what you claim it does, and that you know this fact as well as I. I will forward this information to the Nevada investigator who is handling your case, as I'm sure he will find it useful in your upcoming hearing.

Should you change your mind again, and decide that you want to follow through on the challenge, I will gladly arrange a visit to Gardnerville. However, my time there will be strictly limited to the challenge, so you need not plan a bunch of other "sales demonstrations" for me.

Regards,
Carl

P.S. -- Regarding your questions, I will gladly answer them:

Carl, you never answered my question as to what or who is GeoTech?

Geotech is a web site.

Secondly, what is your relationship to GeoTech?

I run the Geotech web site.

Thirdly, since there is a metal detector pictured as your (or GeoTech's) logo, what is your connection with the metal detector industry?

None whatsoever.

And fourth, who gave you the authority to run around the country and the internet policing every long-distance mineral locator business?

I wasn't aware I needed any "authority" to expose bogus LRLs. I do it as a service to the treasure hunting community, to help people avoid products that are nothing but blatant rip-offs.