H3Tec Challenge

[Qiaozhi]

http://www.h3tec.com
I imagine this means they followed a "signal line" to the photographed location, and this is proof that there's something there.

C'mon, you guys, did you check out the home page?

Did you see a mine?

Did you see any statement regarding what mineral might be found on that site?

Did you see any evidence that Chuckie has ever even been to that spot, other than the presumption that he took a photo of a pretty Utah landscape?

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My reply was meant to point out (in a mocking sort of way - note the rolleyes emoticon) that there was no evidence in the photo of a mine entrance, or any mention of what the mine may (or may not) contain. If the so-called mine actually exists, that is, which I highly doubt.

But - as they say - you cannot hide from H3Tec, so there must be a mine there, even you cannot see it ... mustn't there?

[Carl-NC]

"Here is our mine."

What I still see is www.h3tec.com, which has been their mine for several years now. Web sites are a wonderful way to mine for gullibillies. My guess is that, already, several H3 gullibillies are clamoring to "get in on the ground floor" of this phenomenal opportunity. It's clear from some of their postings that they are neck-deep in delusion, and since most of them are likely tired of digging up Charlie Brown rocks and pretending they're valuable meteorites, maybe it's time to kick that delusion up a notch. A whole mine full of Charlie Brown rocks!

About 15 years ago, Claude Cochran pioneered web site mining for LRL gullibillies. He had a doozy, with photos of piles of Filipino gold bars, and the caption "Look what was just found!" but, as anyone with operational gray matter would note, he failed to note "with what." And that's the story of LRL advertising: imply, and reel 'em in.

- Carl

[hung]

R.I.P.

[Qiaozhi]

As Mark Twain said, "The rumors of [the LRL Forum's] death have been greatly exaggerated".

Or something like that.

[Dave J.]

Check out Jim Anderson's post of 26 May 2012 titled "Depth", on the H3Tec bulletin board.

He's posting his firsthand experience of how someone who's been bamboozled gets bamboozled, sticks with the salespitch story meanwhile, and creates a system of alabis for the whole experience. And is evidently not embarrassed to do this in public, he doesn't even realize what evidence he's providing. Read the advertisement!

Think about it. This comes after Chuckie jerked the rug out from under the H3Tec magic gizmo, saying he's not even in that business any more.

It really gets pitiful when Jim thanks Chuckie and Kathy for all they've done for him. And the funny thing is that they probably have. Having calculated well.

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My purpose in posting here is not to be hard on Jim. Read his post: he got victimized by a con game. He's discovered that nothing really makes any sense what he got dragged into, he's struggling hard with that discovery, but there's bait that's keeping him in the game. The con game has many of the elements I saw in Wayman Mitchell's religious obedience cult (with which I had a lot of interaction a few years back), and have seen in studying other obedience cults. Once you're in, it's really hard to get out.

My purpose is to point to a publicly available picture painted by an actual victim in his own words, of how the system works. In a few short sentences, Jim is providing an eloquent and detailed picture of what has happened to him and why he's hanging in there for it. So-called "skeptics" don't have to make this stuff up, in one short post you can hear it straight from a victim who happens to be a very good writer. Anyone who wants to understand how LRL fraud works can learn it straight from the Chuckies of this world and also from their victims, without having to rely on the assertions of so-called "skeptics".

--Dave J.

[WM6]

so-called "skeptics"are sometning like "so-called LRL's".

Someone is, or is not (sceptic). The same with LRL.

Nice finding Dave.

[Qiaozhi]

Check out Jim Anderson's post of 26 May 2012 titled "Depth", on the H3Tec bulletin board.

I presume this is the link you're referring to? ->

http://forum.h3tec.com/post/depth-5863036

[Dave J.]

The Chuckie Bulletin Board isn't completely dead. "Watcher" has posted confirmation of what the dreaded "skeptics" have been saying, like f'rinstance.....

>Chuckie runs it like a religious cult, hence the "family" talk. Heck, the company I work for has a lot of loyal customers, but it was never about membership in a personal in-group.

>We're not the only people who don't see a mine in the photo.

>The photo is begging for investment, starting with "family" members who have already been burned.

>They know they've been burned, Chuckie is telling everyone he lost interest in the LRL manufacturing business, it's not like he's saying he went bankrupt and wishes he could continue support but the judge took away all the resources needed to do that.

>Qualifying the mark is an important element in scams. In this case, qualifying the mark for a mining investment scam is real easy if the mark has already fallen for the LRL scam.

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"Watcher" said it in fewer words than I did. No need to believe me, click that mouse and read it in his own words! As has been pointed out so many times, we don't have to make this stuff up. The con artists and their victims gladly tell their stories in public, they're the ones who provide the evidence. All the dreaded "skeptics" need do is to tell anyone who wants to know the facts to "read the advertisement".

But just for fun we often do more than that.

--Dave J.

[Dave J.]

A couple days ago some good entertainment showed up on Chuckie's home page. In the "skeptics don't have to make this stuff up" category. Cheggidout.

--Dave J.

[Diohuni]

Delighted to belatedly catch up with the news of Chuckie heading for the hills and going underground! No doubt we can wait on the edge of ours eats to hear news that he has struck the motherlode! Or perhaps not!

Anyone heard any news as to why he finally gave up flogging the dead horse of the H3Tec fraud?

I still treasure some of my email exchanges with Chuckie.

As well as the email and internet campaign to get him and others shut down.

No doubt other versions of LRLs are still out there. We got involved because Chuckie was making claims for and of military use. I guess, sad as it is, that at least failure of LRLs in prospecting is less dangerous than when they are sold to detect explosives e.g. ADE651, GT200 etc. If you have not heard, fraud trials start in the UK of the main suppliers of these devices.

Latest developments at:

http://ade651gt200scamfraud.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/update-18-october-2012.html

and at:

http://explosivedetectorfrauds.blogspot.co.uk/

Kudos to Carl for his tenacious pursuit of Chuckie!!!

[Dedevil]

He's only chasing Chukie because it works and Carl is behind in technology.
The military contracts are worth heaps!
Run Carl Run...
Like the gamma ray camerra that was developed in Australia by the CSIRO.
These devices are simple and effective with a system whereby the substance to be detected can be changed via different cards.
The Thailand part would just be for manufacturing (it's cheaper)
Border security is huge business.
If your chasing them i'll come for a jog! RUN .. RUN.. AS FAST AS YOU CAN.
Time to get FIT.

rgds

[WM6]

The military contracts are worth heaps!

Which military contracts? With Iraqi Army?

They are known by using dowsing stuff as bomb detecting - with very known results.

[Diohuni]

He's only chasing Chukie because it works and Carl is behind in technology.
The military contracts are worth heaps!
Run Carl Run...

I do hope you are joking Dedevil!

1. If the technology worked then Chuckie would be one of the richest men on earth by now. He isn't and therefore it is blindingly obvious it doesn't.

2. If the technology worked then Chuckie or one of the other sellers of LRLs would have had the equipment properly tested and certified by now. They haven't, proving beyond doubt that it doesn't work. He could have taken the JREF Million Dollar Challenge, or perhaps Carls $25000 if the damn H3Tec worked. Even if he didn't rust either of those, he could have simply gone to M.I.T. or similar to get credible testing carried out. But did he? No!

As we pointed out many times to the sellers of bogus detectors, if you were legit that is the first thing you would do i.e. get your product validated by an authoritative source, put out a press release and let the orders flood in. Did any of them take this oh so simple marketing advice? NO! Because they knew their garbage kit cannot and does not work except to extract money from gullible or corrupted marks.

3. Where is the evidence of the enormous military contracts? We asked Chuckie many times to validate his pie in the sky stories about sales to and use by the military. he never did. Why not? Top Secret maybe? BS. Chuckie and all other LRLers are fantasists and/or desperate.

4. If the H3Tec or any other LRL was so damned good why don't they sell like hotcakes? Because they do not work.

5. EVIDENCE my sorry feller. Not just bland statements or worthless anecdotes. When you have some worth the paper it is written on then feel free to return and show us. Until then do everyone a favour and clam up!

By the way, Carl obviously has an interest in selling real detectors. Nothing wrong with that. To best of my knowledge he has never hidden that and has simply done everyone who will listen to facts the service of informing them that LRLs are are a scam. It is a fact that he has helped stop quite a few fools parting with their money on the scam and for that he deserves much credit and success as an honest broker. We at the Fake Detectors Campaign have no such interest in any competitive business. Just in the un-varnished truth and in not seeing people ripped off.

By the way, did you read the posts from Chuckies sister? There is a clear history of Chuckie lying, and fantasising and being deluded.

Meanwhile we await the news that Chuckie has struck it rich with baited breath!

[Dedevil]

You dont get it

I've worked for " a family" and know about watcher. This is UK based so the watcher is probably Scottland yard and the family is MI5. The're looking for Iridium. What the hell for? ???

[Dave J.]

Diohuni, you're evidently not familiar with our forum denizen Mr. Devil. He knows what Chuckie is just like the rest of us who have followed the story, he's just trying to find out if he can get you all screwed up.

--Dave J.