Free energy - magnetic motors

[Fred]

I am not saying that i will success. First of all i can not obtain magnets...ha,ha,ha! Second...if it was so easy than it would be made already in the far past. Also i am not saying it is possible for sure. I started this thread mostly to see reactions here. So..your reactions tells me you think it is impossbile. Ok...i respect that.
You might be right...or you might be wrong. I can not prove in neither one case.
Let's see what others are thinking...

All OK, i think we must try new ideas to find new stuff, sometimes it works.What is sure, is if we don´t try it will not work ...
If you search on ebay for "neodynium" you will find tons of magnets almost for nothing. Hope shipping is OK for your country.

[ivconic]

Shipping is not an issue. Importing rules and taxes ARE!
My country is not memebr of EU..so it is pain in the.....you know where, to deal with those illiterate idiots at local custom. I tried few times to buy something via ebay and import here...huh...it was so painful and bad for my nervs. So i decided to try never again.
But yes...you are right. I saw few links with magnets and where those can be bought. Really, very rich choice of sizes and shapes. Sooner or later i will find some "other" way to get those. I am not in a hurry...
Time is working for me!

[Max]

Shipping is not an issue. Importing rules and taxes ARE!
My country is not memebr of EU..so it is pain in the.....you know where, to deal with those illiterate idiots at local custom. I tried few times to buy something via ebay and import here...huh...it was so painful and bad for my nervs. So i decided to try never again.
But yes...you are right. I saw few links with magnets and where those can be bought. Really, very rich choice of sizes and shapes. Sooner or later i will find some "other" way to get those. I am not in a hurry...
Time is working for me!

Hmmm... also I think... you're ready for PD!

Why focusing on magnets ? Free energy ?

Why don't use e.g. electric windmill ?

I saw some interesting projects you can do with magnets, wire, epoxy and wind... make lot of power and just from wind power... not bad if you have wind for big part of the year... also can save money about electrical bill...

Kind regards,
Max

[ivconic]

"...Hmmm... also I think... you're ready for PD!.."

Don't make me "beleiver" cose i am not.
I just want to see what is all about that PD. Also if i can help somehow i would be glad to help to our friends - lrl proponents here. Dont forget that we all here are one big "familly". Us (sceptics) and those (beleivers).So....although i do not support working lrl idea, i would like to get into details they offer and see if there is something interesting and reasonable to work on in a while. Why not? And why not cooperate with those guys? Why not be friends despite our differences? That's the beauty of this world - differences.
Windmill.....yes i collected several very nice projects. Thing is that i live in a place where is no wind at all. Can you beleive this? It is true. My house is located just between 2 hills in some sort of slash, deep in a forest. So...no wind at all. Sounds crazy..but it is a fact. So..windmill has meaning to me same as fridge on North Pole or calefactor in Africa....
That's why am i pushed to think on some different way to get free energy...
But...speaking of windmills....ha! I am very interesting in good vertical design. I saw many claims and photos on internet..but to tell you the truth; i havent find any detailed explanation or complete project.
Never mind...no need to hurry..

[Qiaozhi]

But...speaking of windmills....ha! I am very interesting in good vertical design. I saw many claims and photos on internet..but to tell you the truth; i havent find any detailed explanation or complete project.
Never mind...no need to hurry..

You need to search for "savonius".
Here's a popular example:

http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/microsavonius.htm

[ivconic]

Now, that is a good tip! Thank You!

[ivconic]

Still...i visited so many sites on the internet. Opinions are frictioned. Some of people claims magentic motor can't work and some do claims oposite.
Ok..no such thing as perpetuum mobille, i agree.
But is it p.mobille after all? It supposed not to be, due use of magnet power or "energy" (don't want to be critisized much due often use of this term).
Again i am calling you to watch this more closelly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE

If this is not possible than what should be explanation?

[Fred]

Still...i visited so many sites on the internet. Opinions are frictioned. Some of people claims magentic motor can't work and some do claims oposite.
Ok..no such thing as perpetuum mobille, i agree.
But is it p.mobille after all? It supposed not to be, due use of magnet power or "energy" (don't want to be critisized much due often use of this term).
Again i am calling you to watch this more closelly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE

If this is not possible than what should be explanation?

I don´t know for sure what is the explanation, but i think suspicious that the small magnets are not actually aligned with the rotating ones.The sound also is weird, and i wonder why the thing is so big, a transparent disk would be enough.
If was able to build this i would built several,call TV and give them working to them, and many other people.
And i would explain how to build it.
I think this has something to do with this (You will like it) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOdboRYf1hM

[Qiaozhi]

I don´t know for sure what is the explanation, but i think suspicious that the small magnets are not actually aligned with the rotating ones.The sound also is weird, and i wonder why the thing is so big, a transparent disk would be enough.
If was able to build this i would built several,call TV and give them working to them, and many other people.
And i would explain how to build it.
I think this has something to do with this (You will like it) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOdboRYf1hM

I bet the battery doesn't last very long!

[Fred]

I bet the battery doesn't last very long!

I thought this was actually charging the battery
Here another one, explained:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNBHsgJMTGw

[Qiaozhi]

I thought this was actually charging the battery
Here another one, explained:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNBHsgJMTGw

I think that's why it was called a motor, and not a generator.

Interestingly, most simple DC motors need to have the current reversed to enable rotation, or at least have the current interrupted at some point. This one is different because it's a homopolar motor. There's a good explanation here -> http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/SimpleMHD

[ivconic]

I don´t know for sure what is the explanation, but i think suspicious that the small magnets are not actually aligned with the rotating ones.The sound also is weird, and i wonder why the thing is so big, a transparent disk would be enough.
If was able to build this i would built several,call TV and give them working to them, and many other people.
And i would explain how to build it.
I think this has something to do with this (You will like it) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOdboRYf1hM

Yes i like it.
So... you are suspicious about m.motor from the link i posted?
Yes i agree....could be done more transparent. It is possible to incorporate some fast motor inside plastic rotor and by some hidden switch to start it during video shooting. This could be done. But question is why? Why to involve such effort? For what? To make funny video and fool people arround? I dont know, i am not sure.
What else we can do but to collect material and build same thing and test it? I am preparing material and i will build it soon. Problem are those neodiyum magnets. I have to order them from abroad. Those are not expensive. I calculated; it will cost approx. 15 euros...not a big deal...

[Fred]

Yes i like it.
So... you are suspicious about m.motor from the link i posted?
Yes i agree....could be done more transparent. It is possible to incorporate some fast motor inside plastic rotor and by some hidden switch to start it during video shooting. This could be done. But question is why? Why to involve such effort? For what? To make funny video and fool people arround? I dont know, i am not sure.
What else we can do but to collect material and build same thing and test it? I am preparing material and i will build it soon. Problem are those neodiyum magnets. I have to order them from abroad. Those are not expensive. I calculated; it will cost approx. 15 euros...not a big deal...

Hi Ivconic,
I think it will be really interesting to try it.
I am not saying it is a fake, but i don´t really believe in perpetual motion, and this associated to the fact that there are some odd points to this video, makes me suspicious.
Again, if i was to successfully build this, i would make a cool video, not lousy one like this.
Like you,i wonder : WHY could someone make a fake video.I can´t understand.But there as so many people on Earth that everything is possible i suppose...an explanation could be a kind of self deception: the guy has spent so much time making it "almost" to work he eventually put a small clock battery inside and the thing began to really work.
then he omitted the battery.
I think if there is a motor inside i must be a special one,that begin to work after spinning the thing.

Hope you will let us know your results,if it works i send you a camera for you to make a video

[ivconic]

Hi Ivconic,
I think it will be really interesting to try it.
I am not saying it is a fake, but i don´t really believe in perpetual motion, and this associated to the fact that there are some odd points to this video, makes me suspicious.
Again, if i was to successfully build this, i would make a cool video, not lousy one like this.
Like you,i wonder : WHY could someone make a fake video.I can´t understand.But there as so many people on Earth that everything is possible i suppose...an explanation could be a kind of self deception: the guy has spent so much time making it "almost" to work he eventually put a small clock battery inside and the thing began to really work.
then he omitted the battery.
I think if there is a motor inside i must be a special one,that begin to work after spinning the thing.

Hope you will let us know your results,if it works i send you a camera for you to make a video

Sure i will do. But only if i get magnets soon. Otherwise i will have to wait more.
Again...this not supposed to be perpetuum m. It is using some energy - from magnets. Neodymium magnet is losing 1% power on 100 years. So....we may consider this as certain energy expenditure...or not?
So...again...is there any energy in those magnets? I beleive there is. Maybe i am wrong.

[Fred]

Sure i will do. But only if i get magnets soon. Otherwise i will have to wait more.
Again...this not supposed to be perpetuum m. It is using some energy - from magnets. Neodymium magnet is losing 1% power on 100 years. So....we may consider this as certain energy expenditure...or not?
So...again...is there any energy in those magnets? I beleive there is. Maybe i am wrong.

I think there is the same energy in a magnet than in a spring.