Free energy - HHO

[ivconic]

I already made few experiments on this subject. It is interesting and could be elaborated more.... For a start i am posting here very nice article with project.
My respect to author!

[ivconic]

IRFP064N...! What a fet!??
This schematic is real "eyecatching" to me and itch me to try it in setup for quite different purposes (maybe will need minor modifications)!
Guess which one?

[Qiaozhi]

IRFP064N...! What a fet!??
This schematic is real "eyecatching" to me and itch me to try it in setup for quite different purposes (maybe will need minor modifications)!
Guess which one?

Tesla coil?

[Fred]

IRFP064N...! What a fet!??
This schematic is real "eyecatching" to me and itch me to try it in setup for quite different purposes (maybe will need minor modifications)!
Guess which one?

Ah! breaking water molecules

[ivconic]

P. I.

[Qiaozhi]

P. I.

Don't stand too close to the coil!

[ivconic]

Yes PI!
TX part.
Reading so many threads on PI subject, man can oftenly see demands for more irradiated power at some PI designs...(everybody want to beat Lorenz!!!)
So...voila! Here it is, simple and elegant solution!
If you ever asked yourself how to draw 30-50 amperes with PI coil....well...here is solution how to!
It will not only detect deep - it will also "bake" detected item in soil, in no time!
Luckilly it has current limiting preset!
Main catch here is in fet features! Ha! Just read those in datasheet. I am fully awared there are many more simillar fets on market, and possibly even better than this one. But we are usually dealing here with most conventional (you may say ordinary) material and components ...so this and simllar components with advanced features are rather out of our primary focus....meaning - people like myself - amateurs and enthusiasts with limited budget...

[ivconic]

This fet is very convenient due its ultra low on resistance. I was thinking; if it can hold low water resistances in HHO setups...than it would not be an issue to hold usuall PI coil resistances at all...
Pretty convenient for fast PI's with pps over 2kHz and possibly more!
Need to be investigated more...

[J_Player]

After reading the posts in this thread, I see how this circuit could result in a very high current PI metal detector. Perhaps this will be the beginning of a very deep seeking coil that finds treasures that other detectors cannot find. Because the current is so much larger than other designs allow, this design could be a significant move beyond the point of diminishing returns that is dictated by the properties of current in a coil for broadcasting a magnetic field.

But, I wonder...
The original purpose of this circuit was to generate hydrogen and oxygen from a tank of water a safe way that does not damage an automotive alternator. The pupose behind this design is to save money buying fuel for your car. My question is this:
Has anyone in this forum ever tried putting an HHO generator on their car and measured the net results?

I am wondering if the overall effect of using an HHO generator resulted in buying less fuel for your car or not. Does anyone have any results to post here?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

But, I wonder...
The original purpose of this circuit was to generate hydrogen and oxygen from a tank of water a safe way that does not damage an automotive alternator. The pupose behind this design is to save money buying fuel for your car. My question is this:
Has anyone in this forum ever tried putting an HHO generator on their car and measured the net results?

I am wondering if the overall effect of using an HHO generator resulted in buying less fuel for your car or not. Does anyone have any results to post here?

Best wishes,
J_P

From the reports I have read on these devices the engine needs to be slightly re-tuned. When you combine this with the fact, that the driver is now unconsciously driving more carefully, the result is a reduction in fuel consumption that most likely has no connection with the HHO device. The only real water-powered car worth looking at is the one from Stanley Meyer.

There are claims that the HHO mixture contains as much as 5x the energy that was needed to fracture the water molecules in the first place. If this is the case, then you could simply run an internal combustion engine using only HHO (apparently this does work) and use it to drive an alternator to charge the battery that powers the water fracturing circuit. As long as the efficiency of the ICE + alternator is greater than 20%, this setup should run indefinitely, provided you continue to supply it with water. If not, then it would be more efficient to use the battery to directly drive an electric motor that turns the wheels, and cut out the inefficient ICE completely.

[Max]

From the reports I have read on these devices the engine needs to be slightly re-tuned. When you combine this with the fact, that the driver is now unconsciously driving more carefully, the result is a reduction in fuel consumption that most likely has no connection with the HHO device. The only real water-powered car worth looking at is the one from Stanley Meyer.

There are claims that the HHO mixture contains as much as 5x the energy that was needed to fracture the water molecules in the first place. If this is the case, then you could simply run an internal combustion engine using only HHO (apparently this does work) and use it to drive an alternator to charge the battery that powers the water fracturing circuit. As long as the efficiency of the ICE + alternator is greater than 20%, this setup should run indefinitely, provided you continue to supply it with water. If not, then it would be more efficient to use the battery to directly drive an electric motor that turns the wheels, and cut out the inefficient ICE completely.

Hi,
yes...
but seems the energy produced is not 5x the energy needed to break water... that's why he was found fraudolent by the Ohio court in 1996...

in other words... the Meyer's claims never has been confirmed to be real... the court found they were fake.

or you read it different ?

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Yes PI!
TX part.
Reading so many threads on PI subject, man can oftenly see demands for more irradiated power at some PI designs...(everybody want to beat Lorenz!!!)
So...voila! Here it is, simple and elegant solution!
If you ever asked yourself how to draw 30-50 amperes with PI coil....well...here is solution how to!
It will not only detect deep - it will also "bake" detected item in soil, in no time!
Luckilly it has current limiting preset!
Main catch here is in fet features! Ha! Just read those in datasheet. I am fully awared there are many more simillar fets on market, and possibly even better than this one. But we are usually dealing here with most conventional (you may say ordinary) material and components ...so this and simllar components with advanced features are rather out of our primary focus....meaning - people like myself - amateurs and enthusiasts with limited budget...

Hi,
the problem was never having large currents at coils... one can also give 100A pulses (short) to the coil using solid state devices (and not only), but the problem is indeed the power needed to run such kind of MD...

I mean.... if you usually run 4-5A (sometimes more) on single pulses at coil and that requires you a gel-type battery of few A/h capacity... then what you'll need to drive that stuff at 20 times (more or less) usual power ?
Also, you usually run depth PIs in the hundreds Hz pulse-repetition stuff... but if plan to run it at 2Khz means you will need more and more power...

I think you could need a 100A/h battery to stay safe about consumption... but these are heavy car-like stuff!

You'll need an handcart to drive your PI over soil....

But... indeed it will locate stuff at big depth... no dubts!

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

The only real water-powered car worth looking at is the one from Stanley Meyer.

Hmmm... I thought the Stanley steamer was the only water-power car worth looking at. Or maybe the Doble.

in other words... the Meyer's claims never has been confirmed to be real... the court found they were fake.

or you read it different ?

This is what I mean. When I read all the claims and the proof offered to convince people to buy HHO generators, ti looks a lot like the proof I see offered to convince people to buy LRLs. I mean, I haven't seen any reports by any respected testing labs showing reports how cars are saving 10-35% on their fuel bills. These are just claims by HHO promoters.

It does not seem likely that the energy to separate hydrogen from oxygen in water is less than the energy released when they are recombined. This is because of the law of conservation. If it were true, then we would have perpetual motion and free energy by using an efficient method of burning the gases. Generators/alternators can be made to run in the 80% efficient range. Let's suppose we have a generator that runs 80% efficient at it's design speed and load, and a steam turbine powered by a fire from the hydrogen and oxygen. Most of these stationary steam turbines run better than 30% efficient when measured by comparing the power produced to the fuel energy in the fuel. If the generator was powered by the steam turbine, then the efficiency of the system would be over 24% (over 30% x 80% = over 24%). Let's say 1/4 of the energy supplied by gases us converted into electric power. Then if it is true that the HHO gas requires 1/5 of the power it produces when burnt in order to separate water into the gases, you have a net gain in power left over --- 24% - 20% = 4& free power. Actually, steam turbine powered electric generators are usually better than 30% efficient, so I would expect the net gain to be more than 4%. But none of this seems possible because it has violated the law of conservation of energy.

I figure that if I can't read anything written by an established agency that confirms HHO generators are doing what they are claimed to do, then maybe I should ask people who have used them to see what their experience has been. The proof for these HHO generators seem so similar to the reports from LRL promoters that really really really prove LRLs work.

Best wishes.
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Hi,
yes...
but seems the energy produced is not 5x the energy needed to break water... that's why he was found fraudolent by the Ohio court in 1996...

in other words... the Meyer's claims never has been confirmed to be real... the court found they were fake.

or you read it different ?

Kind regards,
Max

That's why I suggested that anyone who believes the HHO mixture has 5x the energy input needs to close the energetic loop. It's the only real way to prove it.

I think the pseudo-theory is that the water fracturing method uses less energy than is released, in a similar way to splitting the atom, except that this is splitting the molecule (of water). However, if this was true, I suspect we would already have water-powered cars.

[Max]

Yes, indeed, closing the loop will make the proof of what's true and what's not...

I already know the answer so will sit on my arm chair... and let people experiment... but I'm sure it's J.A.A.F.P. just another already failed project

Kind regards,
Max