Magnacast 5000

[fenixdigger]

All I know for sure is what happens when we hunt. For 3 guys to hit the same spot days apart. that would seem like a "triple" blind test.

I bet "we" didn't take the little rods out in the yard and try what I mentioned,
did "we"? Nothing to be scared of. I've never heard of the "boogie dowser" getting anyone.

I have to go with what I see with my own eyes. I understand the reluctance to blindly accept wild sounding claims. There does come a point where you have to say this is reality when you see it enough.

I could tell you some real good stories, but I was there and it's still hard for ME to believe and if anyone did believe me, I would think them a fool.

I will try the Magnacast and keep you updated. Like I say the best proof---STACK"S AUCTION LT

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by fenixdigger

All I know for sure is what happens when we hunt. For 3 guys to hit the same spot days apart. that would seem like a "triple" blind test.

...I will try the Magnacast and keep you updated. Like I say the best proof---STACK"S AUCTION LT

A double blind test of locating unknown buried metal during a treasure hunt means that nobody at the testing site has any idea where the buried metal is while the test is in progress. Not the person searching for the metal. Not the person conducting the test, not any observers. And there are no clues of where the metal is buried or not buried, such as shovel marks, disturbed dirt, or golf tees. If anyone has a clue where the treasure is located or not located, then he cannot be at the test site or in view of anyone at the test site until after the test is completed. A person with knowledge of the location of the buried metal could visit the test site in between test trials as long as nobody else participating in the test was there, but then he would need to leave before people returned to perform the next test. He could finally return and tell everyone what clues he knew about the location of the buried metal after all the tests are completed, and the results are checked.

In your case, there could not have been a double blind test because at least you observed a second and third person locating the same location as someone before located. What you saw was not a double blind test, but an incidence where three different people chose the same location for buried metal on different days when using dowsing rods. This can be a remarkable experience when you see it happen. But it does not satisfy most Geotech skeptics, who want to see actual double blind tests performed in front of a few skeptical witnesses.

I would be interested to hear what happens when you use the Magnacast 5000 to locate "signal lines". I am particularly interested in whether the clicking sound really does increase its rate when pointed at the "signal line" between the buried metal and the transmitter coil. If you have a frequency counter, it would also be good to learn exactly what frequency the carrier is set to, and what audio frequencies are measured for each of the metal selections.

Best wishes,
J_P

[fenixdigger]

I'll let you know how it does.

When we hunt, we have a location of about 1/2 acre to check. When we are all there, some one checks E/W lines, another checks N/S lines. The other person sets up a mfd and films what is going on.

We circle the area if we get a line. To end up with 4 points that are N/S and E/W of each other, each person finds 2 points on his own and checks the other 2 points. MOST of this is in the blind until the compass comes out.

Some times we are on roads doing this 1/2 mile apart. We mainly use Examiners. thanks, LT

[Mike(Mont)]

fenixdigger, like I said, I make no guarantees. There are going to be times you won't be able to get it to work as you would like, same as any MFD-type unit. But I can attest to a few times my L-rods could not find the target that I located it with the Magnacast. You should check with Vernell Electronics about their return policy. I think it is thirty days with restocking fee, but don't quote me on that. It's going to take time and lots of practice so plan on this.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by fenixdigger

I'll let you know how it does.

When we hunt, we have a location of about 1/2 acre to check. When we are all there, some one checks E/W lines, another checks N/S lines. The other person sets up a mfd and films what is going on.

We circle the area if we get a line. To end up with 4 points that are N/S and E/W of each other, each person finds 2 points on his own and checks the other 2 points. MOST of this is in the blind until the compass comes out.

Some times we are on roads doing this 1/2 mile apart. We mainly use Examiners. thanks, LT

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

fenixdigger, like I said, I make no guarantees. There are going to be times you won't be able to get it to work as you would like, same as any MFD-type unit. But I can attest to a few times my L-rods could not find the target that I located it with the Magnacast. You should check with Vernell Electronics about their return policy. I think it is thirty days with restocking fee, but don't quote me on that. It's going to take time and lots of practice so plan on this.

Obviously you have no intention of ever performing a double-blind test, and therefore will remain ignorant as to the real cause of the effect you are experiencing.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Obviously you have no intention of ever performing a double-blind test, and therefore will remain ignorant as to the real cause of the effect you are experiencing.

Double blind test from Mike(Mont)? Of course not!
Mike(Mont) has already explained his committment to the power of mind over electronic instruments for detection of signal lines:

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

"Someone who is skilled with the rods is going to be able to detect a signal line much sooner than with an electronic receiver"
...Of course with L-rods, the receiver is the human body, brain, nervous system, and consciousness necessary to "make sense" of it all. Even when using an electronic receiver, the person needs a brain and a few mental skills to interpret what is happening. Anyone who tries to compare this to a metal detector is either deceptive or --deleted--. You cannot compare the two.

...I can find a signal line without rods. I hold my arms out from my sides and relax my wrists so my hands point down somewhat. I call it the scarecrow stance. Then I walk around the transmitter (arms parallel to signal line) until I feel the psychic electricity. I can't pinpoint the target with this method, just the signal line. I use the Revelation Locator Rod. There is no other rod that has as low stiction. It has an extremely low start-up torque threshold that borders on the infinite. Of course it's not, but it's imperceptible.

...In my years of locating, NOTHING compares to a signal line when it comes to discriminating. Even with an MFD/HID, if you just use the sweep technique instead of crossing/tracing the signal line, you are not getting the physical discrimination, just mental discrimination.

We can easily conclude Mike(Mont) is not interested in using physical instruments to measure what he is sensing. From what he has told us, it should be obvious he considers the power and sheer knowledge that comes from the mind to be superior to anything an electronic instrument could detect or measure. The only physical appliance that could help is a good rod to act as an antenna to gather the energy of the "signal line" for a biological/mental experience. From reading Mike(Mont)'s previous posts detailing how he detects signal lines, it becomes apparent his method takes him traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind; a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination.

What electronic instrument can measure what he sees there?
What human observers standing nearby could see what he sees there?
Do you really think he would allow anyone to try to document his performance?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Jim]

Originally Posted by fenixdigger

I'll let you know how it does.

When we hunt, we have a location of about 1/2 acre to check. When we are all there, some one checks E/W lines, another checks N/S lines. The other person sets up a mfd and films what is going on.

We circle the area if we get a line. To end up with 4 points that are N/S and E/W of each other, each person finds 2 points on his own and checks the other 2 points. MOST of this is in the blind until the compass comes out.

Some times we are on roads doing this 1/2 mile apart. We mainly use Examiners. thanks, LT

So....how did it go for you? How about sharing some of those films?

[fenixdigger]

As I told you on other sites, I don't make some info public. Whether you believe it exists or not doesn't matter. It's not meant for you to start with nor are the P/M messages and e-mails a lot of us swap.

If I were to consider a bunch of people to be swimming in a delusional sea of false ideas, I would just leave it alone and not get involved. I would do this for 2 reasons. First, not my business and second ,just in case history proved it out at a later date, I would not want to be the ultimate *******. Remember our "flat world discussion"????

[Jim]

Originally Posted by fenixdigger

As I told you on other sites, I don't make some info public. Whether you believe it exists or not doesn't matter. It's not meant for you to start with nor are the P/M messages and e-mails a lot of us swap.

If I were to consider a bunch of people to be swimming in a delusional sea of false ideas, I would just leave it alone and not get involved. I would do this for 2 reasons. First, not my business and second ,just in case history proved it out at a later date, I would not want to be the ultimate *******. Remember our "flat world discussion"????

Well good golly....you sure do make your blathering nonsense public.

Your belief in the Flat World Myth speaks volumes, as well.

[fenixdigger]

Still doesn't matter. Never will. I see what I see, you believe what you believe, who cares???

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by fenixdigger

As I told you on other sites, I don't make some info public. Whether you believe it exists or not doesn't matter. It's not meant for you to start with nor are the P/M messages and e-mails a lot of us swap.

If I were to consider a bunch of people to be swimming in a delusional sea of false ideas, I would just leave it alone and not get involved. I would do this for 2 reasons. First, not my business and second ,just in case history proved it out at a later date, I would not want to be the ultimate *******. Remember our "flat world discussion"????

I'm sure most treasure hunters are quite happy for you to remain in your delusional state, as it leaves more treasures untouched for them to find using real scientific instruments that actually work. It is just a shame that you cannot see past your own nose. No insult intended ... just a skeptical observation.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

....using real scientific instruments that actually work.

From the H3 Tec website:

* H3 Treasure Detectors are scientific instruments, not toys; therefore, training is mandatory. The cost of training does not include airline or other transportation to or from training locations, nor does it include lodging, snacks, or meals other than those that are specifically identified in the official training agenda.


Intermission over. Thanks

[fenixdigger]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

I'm sure most treasure hunters are quite happy for you to remain in your delusional state, as it leaves more treasures untouched for them to find using real scientific instruments that actually work. It is just a shame that you cannot see past your own nose. No insult intended ... just a skeptical observation.

Well thank you for the observation.

I do own more conventional units than LRLs and use them more. they are spot on, especially the modded Minelab.

The majority in numbers was found with a sovereign, an Excalibur, a viper, a fisher, or a Garrett.

With the exception of a few rings, the more valuable were initially located long range, and dug using one of the coil units. Whether I was guessing or not, I would have never went to those spots without the LRL. If I was guessing, ok, I still made a recovery.

How do you look at a huge area and decide where to start? (with no info available)

[Mike(Mont)]

I saw someone at spokane.craiglist.org was selling a Magnacast.