Mineoro FG79-Happy new Year

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi J_P.
Between the electrodes of black and red wires of the champer there is a small capacity (few pico). Maybe to use the square pulses via the electrode capacitance and the input capacitors to stimulate the loop

Regards

Yes, maybe a few pf is enough to send the 10 Hz to the input of Q1. As long as the noise in the air is not too strong to make the 10 Hz seem invisible.
Now we finally see the design ideas of Mineoro. Fred was correct. The design seems a lot like the pistol detector.
When we look at the design, we see the same design concept we found in the pistol detector, and using the same kind of details including a beep circuit.
This was definitely started as an Alonso design.

But what happened?
Did Damasio think the passive receiver was not good enough to find gold without adding the ion chamber?
I am now wondering... When Alonso came to the Mineoro factory and showed his PD working, did Damasio decide it is too simple... only a passive receiver?
Did Damasio decide it must have some strange ion chamber that nobody can understand added so people will believe it is very advanced?

According to Mineoro theory, the ion chamber is where passionate love ions crash to leave evidence of their love and make spikes of femto and atto seconds that are detected in their "sensitive electronics".
And we see the sensitive Mineoro electronics is Q1 = BC548...

Wait a minute... BC548 is a cheap general purpose transistor. How can it detect femto or atto second pulses?
I think somebody was telling false stories
Maybe it is ok to tell false stories.
Car dealers sometimes tell false stories about the cars they sell...
How can you sell plastic sprinkler pipe and tiny gold leaf things for more than 5000 euros if not telling false stories?
As long as I am not the buyer who expects to find treasure... no problem for me to read false stories about cheap transistors finding femto and atto second pulses that are encoded with gold DNA.

Was this design change intended to conceal the passive VLF receiver, and confuse people into thinking gold signals are blended into the VLF loop signal?
Was the ion chamber circuit added to make it appear the Mineoro design is so advanced that no EE can figure out what it is supposed to do?
Did Damasio add the ion chamber to the circuit to try to fool people into thinking the Mineoro locator is too advanced for anyone to understand... and it worked on the "love ion crashing" principle?

It would seem ok to me if Alonso added silly circuits as long as the main circuit still works and finds treasure.
But from what we see, the performance of the Alonso VLF receiver was destroyed after adding the ion chamber circuit.
The performance was changed from 2 meters to no meters unless you are really lucky.

We have heard from Morgan that the PD works for 2 meter detection, but the Mineoro locators do not work at all unless you are searching at a very lucky time.
Geo also confirmed it was the lucky day when the Mineoro can work. Geo does not waste his time to try to build a Mineoro design locator.
It appears that adding the "ion chamber" had the effect of deteriorating the 2 meter detection range of the Alonso VLF receiver design.

How can people believe the ion chamber is sensing positive and negative love ions destroying themselves when the locator does not work in the field?
Maybe this is the reason why Mineoro removed the "Romeo and Juliet love ion" theory from their page.
Was this locator designed to only work near the Mineoro factory testing grounds, and for friends of the people who work at the Mineoro factory... but not work for anyone else?

Only a few people have built the Alonso PD without any ion chamber, and found the 2 meter detection. We do not see people wasting their time to build the Mineoro version with ion chamber.
In fact, most people do not spend the time to build the Alonso passive receiver. Most of the electronic LRL experimenters are using oscillators to send VLF/ELF signals in their search fields.

Thank you for the schematic, Geo.
Do you think anyone will use it to make a treasure locator?

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

WOW... What a story.

Can you tell us the amazing story of this one here too?

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Yes, maybe a few pf is enough to send the 10 Hz to the input of Q1.

Doubtful. The capacitive reactance of a few pF to a 10 Hz signal and even it's 7th harmonic is way too high to inject any meaningful signal into Q1.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Doubtful. The capacitive reactance of a few pF to a 10 Hz signal and even it's 7th harmonic is way too high to inject any meaningful signal into Q1.

That's how I see it too.
But then I remember watching the clock signal from a 3v calculator on an oscilloscope including the voltage rise and fall, picked up with a 3 inch dia loop of speaker wire held up to 5 cm away from the calculator.
After moving more than 5 cm away, the calculator signal became too weak to see in the noise that the probe was picking up from the air (done outdoors away from electronics except the oscilloscope).
I also saw this same signal a little cleaner when using a 3 cm square aluminum foil in an alligator clip held up to 5 cm away from the calculator.
I confirmed this was indeed the calculator signal by checking the actual signal on the circuit board. The actual signal was the same, but stronger, and without the artifacts that tended to change the wave shapes.
For most common calculators, I saw square waves that ranged from about 30 Hz to nearly 600 Hz. When measuring from the circuit board, these square waves were clear, and not nearly buried in all kinds of sine wave noise from the air that ranged from AF to RF.

At first I thought it might be EMI I was seeing from the rise and fall times of the clocking, which showed some minor ringing at the edges. But the high and low voltages were preserved, albeit in reduced amplitude.
So it was not simply EMI from the rising and falling edges. When holding a 3 cm square plate at a distance more than 2-3 cm in the air, the capacitance is in the extremely small ranges where we would not expect any capacitive coupling that could be seen on an oscilloscope.

You can try it yourself. You can probably pick up the calculator clocking by simply connecting an alligator clip to the end of your probe and moving it around the calculator to see where the strong areas are.
(Strongest places I found were close to the display and just below it where the processor is). It seems to me the calculator clocking at 3v around 30Hz is not so much different than the Atmel 5v signal clocking at 10 Hz.

Any ideas of what caused the calculator clocking signal to transfer through a few cm of air to the oscilloscope probe?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Yes, maybe a few pf is enough to send the 10 Hz to the input of Q1. As long as the noise in the air is not too strong to make the 10 Hz seem invisible.
Now we finally see the design ideas of Mineoro. Fred was correct. The design seems a lot like the pistol detector.
When we look at the design, we see the same design concept we found in the pistol detector, and using the same kind of details including a beep circuit.
This was definitely started as an Alonso design.


Thank you for the schematic, Geo.
Do you think anyone will use it to make a treasure locator?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
I don't know if anyone will use the schematic to construct a Mineoro clone .
Maybe anyone can make a small modification to it and to experiment with it.
Minime said that his version (very small diferences) is based on a ferrite and coil in the position of ion champer.
The basic reason that i post the schematic here is because::::
I learned a lot of things from this site, so i wanted to put a "small stone" to this building, to Carl's building.....the Geotech1!!!!

Regards

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi J_P.
I don't know if anyone will use the schematic to construct a Mineoro clone .
Maybe anyone can make a small modification to it and to experiment with it.
Minime said that his version (very small diferences) is based on a ferrite and coil in the position of ion champer.
The basic reason that i post the schematic here is because::::
I learned a lot of things from this site, so i wanted to put a "small stone" to this building, to Carl's building.....the Geotech1!!!!

Regards

Thank you Geo,
I won't use this schematic to make a treasure locator either. But already I had lots of fun studying the Mineoro theories and circuit design methods.
You are correct. We can learn much about what the Mineoro factory is thinking from looking at the circuit.

We see Dr. hung cannot give any believable answers to the questions I asked. Instead he tries to trick people into playing his stupid circuit games.
Should we conclude that Dr. hung has the same opinion of the Mineoro circuit operation as we read on the old Mineoro pages before they removed them?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by J_Player

We see Dr. hung cannot give any believable answers to the questions I asked. Instead he tries to trick people into playing his stupid circuit games.
Should we conclude that Dr. hung has the same opinion of the Mineoro circuit operation as we read on the old Mineoro pages before they removed them?

It appears that Dr Hung is finding this thread too difficult to follow, and has had to revert back to very basic circuit theory. Unfortunately he has not yet learned which way round to put the LED symbol, so he used a big black blob instead to cover up his lack of knowledge.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

It appears that Dr Hung is finding this thread too difficult to follow, and has had to revert back to very basic circuit theory. Unfortunately he has not yet learned which way round to put the LED symbol, so he used a big black blob instead to cover up his lack of knowledge.

Don't even recognize an animated model in Proteus?

[WM6]

Originally Posted by hung

Don't even recognize an animated model in Proteus?

Mineoros can be animated in Proteus? You mean animaled?

[hung]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Thank you Geo,
I won't use this schematic to make a treasure locator either. But already I had lots of fun studying the Mineoro theories and circuit design methods.
You are correct. We can learn much about what the Mineoro factory is thinking from looking at the circuit.

We see Dr. hung cannot give any believable answers to the questions I asked. Instead he tries to trick people into playing his stupid circuit games.
Should we conclude that Dr. hung has the same opinion of the Mineoro circuit operation as we read on the old Mineoro pages before they removed them?


Best wishes,
J_P

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[FrancoItaly]

HiJ_player

Perhaps you are right, if we look for the 10M resistor between the brass rod and the 27V, the very low impedance of the BC548 it can destroy any picoampere signal and so this appears as a gadget without any usefullness. In my tests for picoampere or picovolt signal I use TL081 or CA3130 not sure a bipolar transistor.

Best regards

[Fred]

Hung science: He "explains":

[hung]

Originally Posted by FrancoItaly

HiJ_player

Perhaps you are right, if we look for the 10M resistor between the brass rod and the 27V, the very low impedance of the BC548 it can destroy any picoampere signal and so this appears as a gadget without any usefullness. In my tests for picoampere or picovolt signal I use TL081 or CA3130 not sure a bipolar transistor.

Best regards

Hello my friend Franco. I'm sorry to inform you that contrary to your belief, this has a specific purpose indeed.
Also, the schematic has some errors.
But I guess I have already talked too much.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

Also, the schematic has some errors.

Hmmm ... this seems to be a common theme.

Originally Posted by hung

But I guess I have already talked too much.

You could say that.

It's time for you give up. You're fighting a losing battle. ... and still no-one is leaping to your defense.
Think about it.

[hung]

Morning Ozzy.
Hope your eyes are better today.

Do you usually need someone defending you?

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

Morning Ozzy.
Hope your eyes are better today.

Do you usually need someone defending you?

1/10 for effort.

[FrancoItaly]

Hi Hung
I don't say that Mineoro is not working, I think that the phenomenon is real and I have verified this in tests with my instruments, I think also that there are many approachs to make an LRL. I don't know if there are somme errors in Geo' schemas and I can only reason on what I see and the gold sensor sure it seems not very orthodox, elettronically speakink, but on the other hand I have build strange antenna that caused some improvements in my Lrl.

Best regards

[hung]

Originally Posted by FrancoItaly

Hi Hung
I don't say that Mineoro is not working, I think that the phenomenon is real and I have verified this in tests with my instruments, I think also that there are many approachs to make an LRL. I don't know if there are somme errors in Geo' schemas and I can only reason on what I see and the gold sensor sure it seems not very orthodox, elettronically speakink, but on the other hand I have build strange antenna that caused some improvements in my Lrl.

Best regards

Hi Franco,
The simple fact that you have decided to build your own device means that you believe the aproach of long range detection of objects is possible.
I say that it's not only possible but a reality.

I wish you the best of luck and success with your LRL.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by hung

I say that it's not only possible but a reality.

Maybe it is reality in Alaska, but for shure not in South America, especially not in Mineoro Hacienda.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by FrancoItaly

Hi Hung
I don't say that Mineoro is not working, I think that the phenomenon is real and I have verified this in tests with my instruments, I think also that there are many approachs to make an LRL. I don't know if there are somme errors in Geo' schemas and I can only reason on what I see and the gold sensor sure it seems not very orthodox, elettronically speakink, but on the other hand I have build strange antenna that caused some improvements in my Lrl.

Best regards

Hi FrancoItaly,
Have you found good success with some Mineoro locator?

The reports I have read say the Mineoro locators were seen to work at the Mineoro factory demonstration area and at locations close to it... but at locations very far away from the factory, Mineoro locators do not work.
I read many stories of treasure recovery from people in Brazil and Paraguay. But I also read where Esteban says the Mineoro locators do not work as well as his experimental locators in Paraguay.

What happens when we move away from the Mineoro factory and friends of people who work at the factory?
I read reports of no detection of treasure in the USA, and very poor or no performance in Mexico.
I read no reports of treasure recovery using Mineoro in Canada, USSR, China, Korea, Japan, or Australia.
It seems the greater distance you travel from the Mineoro demonstration yard, the less stories you hear about Mineoro locating treasures.

We see Morgan reports only on a lucky day they find any detection using Mineoro in Portugal. And his simple passive receiver always works better than Mineoro.
In Greece, we find even less detection. Greek experimenters do not take the time to make clones of Mineoro locators.
The story I read is some people have found evidence of a phenomenon, but Mineoros cannot locate this phenomenon except when near the Mineoro factory testing grounds, or when you are a friend of the people who work at the Mineoro factory. The reports I read say Mineoro will not work at all unless you are very lucky to find a day when the Mineoro is not making random beeps or silence.
And if you find a lucky day when it is working, it will give poor performance.

I also see some evidence of a phenomenon associated with long time buried treasure. But I don't see believable evidence that Mineoro locators can find any buried treasure or any fresh gold from a long range. Maybe the Mineoro locator will show similar poor performance in Italy.
Or am I wrong?
Have you seen Mineoro locators working in Italy to find treasures at long range?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.
Now all are simple, very simple.
All the story with this detectors is the passive receivers who can detect the static fields. All are the same or about the same. So with good conditions they have the ability to locate an old buried object. But only with very good conditions and if the object has made a topic field.....
We see the same story.....
The first pistols from Alonso, the second pistols or DCH85 and the third pistols inside large box the Mineoro PDC... FG...etc. All are a passive receiver as Alonso Pistol who own Morgan.
At Greece there is a person who made Mineoro clones but with some modifications as he says, but the results from the persons who bought them are not good. I am sure that there are LRLs who works very good and with every condition but they work on other principle.....

Regards

[pablo72]

hello friends.
what's the filter resistors and capacitors in this schema? ayone know?

[Pahom]

In my opinion this is not an ion chamber, but a three-output passage condenser. With a constant positive potential on one of the plates + 27 volts. From the previously laid out photos of this part, it can be seen that the lining of the golden strip is wound on the case and does not have a closed loop. The insulator of this condenser is not only a plastic tube (frame) but the air itself. The fact that 10 Hz is applied to one capacitor plate is probably connected with the frequency of the earth, or as it is commonly called Schumann's frequency. Only now this frequency is now not 10 Hz or even 11 Hz. The frequency of Schumann is changing, and as far as I have deducted from the latest data, it is in the region of 36-38 Hz. Perhaps for this reason not very good reviews about the devices, due to non-coincidence of freque