Mineoro DC2008

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

The oscillator of DC2008 has at emitter of oscillator a signal of about 100mv. I think that it is a big signal for a receiver of this type. It need a strong signal so to see it as "anomaly" at the output.

Btw.. any easy way to check the chamber if it detects ions???

Hi Geo,
I think this is a good idea to check if the chamber detects ions.
According to Mineoro, there are gold love-ions that are in the air 2 meters above where gold is buried.
Mineoro theory is that the gold love-ions make tiny sparks when they neutralize in the air, and these sparks in the air will send an electronic signal through the air to the chamber to cause some sparks in the chamber.
Then the sparks in the chamber sends a signal to the oscillator, which results in beeps when gold love-ions are near to the locator.

When, we look at the construction of a Mineoro chamber, we see it has a pulsed voltage sent to one side, and the other side is coupled to the input of the oscillator with a very small capacitive coupling.
This tells us that whatever signal that comes from this chamber is very small, high frequency, like a spark.
It also tells us that if the chamber actually causes beeps, then a small capacitance could transfer the signal to the oscillator stage.
In order to properly test whether this chamber does anything, you cannot use a simple switch, because the capacitance in the switch contacts might allow some of the signal to pass even when the switch is turned off.
Furthermore, the chamber might send a signal to the oscillator if the wires are completely disconnected from the circuit, just from the capacitance through the air, and to the conductors in the circuit board.

So how do we test?

Here is how I would test it:
1. First test the locator with the chamber connected as normal to see if it will beep at some known targets, and mark the distance you can find detection.
2. Open the locator and un-solder the three wire connections for the chamber, then short all three of them together.
Wrap some tape around the wires so they will stay shorted together.
3. Put aluminum foil over the shorted wires... Make certain the foil covers all of the back side of the chamber and all shorted wires for a shield.
This will serve to stop any stray gold love-ions from entering the back of the chamber and causing sparks inside the chamber.
4. Put another piece of aluminum foil on the outside of the chamber where it is seen at the front of the box.
This will serve to shield the front side from gold love-ions entering the chamber and causing sparks.
5. Now turn on the locator and check to see if there is any change in the beeping that you tested before, when the chamber was connected as normal.

You could solder some small connectors on the ends of the chamber wires, and solder 3 short wires with matching connectors on the circuit board to make it easy to disconnect the wires from the chamber.
Then you can disconnect the chamber and reconnect it easily when you want to make more tests.
Of course, you will remove these connectors when you are done testing, and return the locator to the owner.
The extra trouble to short the wires together and to shield the chamber will produce a test that can convince me whether the gold love-ion theory is true or not.

Best Wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Geo,
I think this is a good idea to check if the chamber detects ions.
According to Mineoro, there are gold love-ions that are in the air 2 meters above where gold is buried.
Mineoro theory is that the gold love-ions make tiny sparks when they neutralize in the air, and these sparks in the air will send an electronic signal through the air to the chamber to cause some sparks in the chamber.
Then the sparks in the chamber sends a signal to the oscillator, which results in beeps when gold love-ions are near to the locator.

When, we look at the construction of a Mineoro chamber, we see it has a pulsed voltage sent to one side, and the other side is coupled to the input of the oscillator with a very small capacitive coupling.
This tells us that whatever signal that comes from this chamber is very small, high frequency, like a spark.
It also tells us that if the chamber actually causes beeps, then a small capacitance could transfer the signal to the oscillator stage.
In order to properly test whether this chamber does anything, you cannot use a simple switch, because the capacitance in the switch contacts might allow some of the signal to pass even when the switch is turned off.
Furthermore, the chamber might send a signal to the oscillator if the wires are completely disconnected from the circuit, just from the capacitance through the air, and to the conductors in the circuit board.

So how do we test?

Here is how I would test it:
1. First test the locator with the chamber connected as normal to see if it will beep at some known targets, and mark the distance you can find detection.
2. Open the locator and un-solder the three wire connections for the chamber, then short all three of them together.
Wrap some tape around the wires so they will stay shorted together.
3. Put aluminum foil over the shorted wires... Make certain the foil covers all of the back side of the chamber and all shorted wires for a shield.
This will serve to stop any stray gold love-ions from entering the back of the chamber and causing sparks inside the chamber.
4. Put another piece of aluminum foil on the outside of the chamber where it is seen at the front of the box.
This will serve to shield the front side from gold love-ions entering the chamber and causing sparks.
5. Now turn on the locator and check to see if there is any change in the beeping that you tested before, when the chamber was connected as normal.

You could solder some small connectors on the ends of the chamber wires, and solder 3 short wires with matching connectors on the circuit board to make it easy to disconnect the wires from the chamber.
Then you can disconnect the chamber and reconnect it easily when you want to make more tests.
Of course, you will remove these connectors when you are done testing, and return the locator to the owner.
The extra trouble to short the wires together and to shield the chamber will produce a test that can convince me whether the gold love-ion theory is true or not.

Best Wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.

The problem is to make the Mineoro to beep at any known target.
Maybe today or tommorow i"ll visit some friends who have buried gold for many years at their house, so to see if it beeps. If it beeps then i will inform you and i"ll make the test.

Regards

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi J_P.

The problem is to make the Mineoro to beep at any known target.
Maybe today or tommorow i"ll visit some friends who have buried gold for many years at their house, so to see if it beeps. If it beeps then i will inform you and i"ll make the test.

Regards

Hi J_P.
Yesterday i visited the home of a friend and i tried to locate with Mineoro the buried objects (copper, silver and gold) that he has at his garden. No Results. After it i tried with the Andy Flind Magnetic field detector and i located the copper and silver from 1m. So the phainomenon exist but is is low.
And of course Mineoro has not the ability to detect low signals

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Andy Flind Magnetic field detector:

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi J_P.
Yesterday i visited the home of a friend and i tried to locate with Mineoro the buried objects (copper, silver and gold) that he has at his garden. No Results. After it i tried with the Andy Flind Magnetic field detector and i located the copper and silver from 1m. So the phainomenon exist but is is low.
And of course Mineoro has not the ability to detect low signals

Hi Geo,
If Mineoro does not have the ability to detect buried metals in the normal condition as received from the factory, then we cannot test to see if it stops performing when you disconnect the chamber.
We can only say the Mineoro cannot detect buried gold, silver, and copper that other detectors can find.

But there is one other test you cam make...
Maybe you can make a copy of the transmitter that Alonso uses, and see if the Mineoro can find it.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Geo,
If Mineoro does not have the ability to detect buried metals in the normal condition as received from the factory, then we cannot test to see if it stops performing when you disconnect the chamber.
We can only say the Mineoro cannot detect buried gold, silver, and copper that other detectors can find.

But there is one other test you cam make...
Maybe you can make a copy of the transmitter that Alonso uses, and see if the Mineoro can find it.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
The phainomenon at Greece is not so strong so there is problem for all lrls. But at ancient objects the phainomemon is strong and we have some success. When the owner will take a strong signal with Mineoro he will inform me. Also i connected a switch on the panel so to disconnect the chamber. Now about the Alonso transmitter ... no need because i have some generators for this rule. But the sensitivity is not so good. For example the PDK receives the generator signal from 10m far and the DC2008 only from 2m.

Regards

[kostas87]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi J_P.
The phainomenon at Greece is not so strong so there is problem for all lrls. But at ancient objects the phainomemon is strong and we have some success. When the owner will take a strong signal with Mineoro he will inform me. Also i connected a switch on the panel so to disconnect the chamber. Now about the Alonso transmitter ... no need because i have some generators for this rule. But the sensitivity is not so good. For example the PDK receives the generator signal from 10m far and the DC2008 only from 2m.

Regards

Hello my friend George!
* really would like to know if the chamber indeed helping response.
Please let me know ...
THANKS!

[Geo]

Originally Posted by kostas87

Hello my friend George!
* really would like to know if the chamber indeed helping response.
Please let me know ...
THANKS!

Hi kosta.
I am not sure yet, i will inform you when i"ll be sure

Regards

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi J_P.
Yesterday i visited the home of a friend and i tried to locate with Mineoro the buried objects (copper, silver and gold) that he has at his garden. No Results. After it i tried with the Andy Flind Magnetic field detector and i located the copper and silver from 1m. So the phainomenon exist but is is low.
And of course Mineoro has not the ability to detect low signals

Thanks Geo

I wondering why the Andy Flind not able to locate the gold after locating the silver ???

[Geo]

Hi Morgan.
It is strange because the gold (2 chains) was buried more time.....
But as i said other times at Greece the phainomenon is not strong so the lrls don't work properly. I have buried some ancient silver coins for 20+++ years, the same for some (about 20) copper coins. I have not signal.
Before 4..5 days i had a PDK2 from a friend, i tried again to locate the coins with it but no results.
Remember Alonso when visited Greece, he did not locate anything.

Regards

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi Morgan.
It is strange because the gold (2 chains) was buried more time.....
But as i said other times at Greece the phainomenon is not strong so the lrls don't work properly. I have buried some ancient silver coins for 20+++ years, the same for some (about 20) copper coins. I have not signal.
Before 4..5 days i had a PDK2 from a friend, i tried again to locate the coins with it but no results.
Remember Alonso when visited Greece, he did not locate anything.

Regards

yes,i know from one friend that all the mineoro test in Greece was bad results.

About the PDK-2 ,the test with silver coins,here my questions :

1-the silver coins was buried with salt (to acelerate the Phenomenon) or not ?

2-The PDK-2 test was made before the VHF waves finish in Greece,or after with the local DIGITAL system ?

It is great if you check again,but using my last method for calibration PDK -2 in limit.
The test must be done in all directions,sometimes the metal emit only in one direction.


Regards

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Morgan

yes,i know from one friend that all the mineoro test in Greece was bad results.

About the PDK-2 ,the test with silver coins,here my questions :

1-the silver coins was buried with salt (to acelerate the Phenomenon) or not ?

2-The PDK-2 test was made before the VHF waves finish in Greece,or after with the local DIGITAL system ?

It is great if you check again,but using my last method for calibration PDK -2 in limit.
The test must be done in all directions,sometimes the metal emit only in one direction.


Regards

Hi.
All coins was buried without salt.
Now i sent the PDK2 back to the owner. I have the same results with mine....
Now i work on a new lrl that will be more sensitive from PDK2... and will have the ability to replace the PDK or to put it inside a Mineoro and to make it very strong. I believe to have good results.

Regards

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi Morgan.
It is strange because the gold (2 chains) was buried more time.....
But as i said other times at Greece the phainomenon is not strong so the lrls don't work properly. I have buried some ancient silver coins for 20+++ years, the same for some (about 20) copper coins. I have not signal.
Before 4..5 days i had a PDK2 from a friend, i tried again to locate the coins with it but no results.
Remember Alonso when visited Greece, he did not locate anything.

Regards

ok,ignore the question 2,i see 4 or 5 days ago ,already no VHF in Greece.
but using the PDK-2 in the limit of the sensitivity it can pick the targets,here yes,maybe in your country is possible too,becouse i receive emails of sucessful findings.