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10-17-2012, 10:46 PM
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10-18-2012, 06:10 AM
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I have also read reports of the crypton detecting in Mexico. From what I read, it appears that the crypton is a good locator, but they found some problems that have not been solved yet. Maybe the new crypton mini will have all problems solved. I will wait to see the field results from the crypton mini. Best wishes, J_P
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10-18-2012, 04:00 PM
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Hi guys
About this, i think is time to wait more about mini crypton, cause i also know what J_Player is saing below is correct. Here in South America we are waiting to see more coments about this job of crypton. Has i know this has something to do with Andreas circuits that was posted before on the forum and has we all know some devices today were inpired on this guy schematics. Has i remember, there is a picture of Morgan job when he made his first pdk circuit on wires placed over Andreas schematics paper. So may be this is close to what we are thinking. Unfortunally i haven´t read Andreas to ask more, but i trust on his job. Regards Nelson Quote:
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10-18-2012, 05:14 PM
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 Also can you remember me a schematic on this forum calculating by Andreas????. Come on, you are a seriously man. 
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10-18-2012, 10:57 PM
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There is something you must know about PDK project. Here you find the sequence : Alonso (the inventor and designer of the PD ) Esteban (the designer of first PDK based on Alonsos PD passive receiver) Andreas (modificate the Esteban´s PDK design) Aft_20075 (modificate the Andreas PDK) Geo (made is own version of PDK based on his knowledge) Morgan (I made great modifications in the Aft PDK design) So,what is the PDK-2 ? Is one modificated design of the Alonsos Passive Receiver,all this people work on it,each one develop something and UPGRADE the circuit. The PD was bought in Paraguay where was tested and it was working there better than here,this is one good reason to believe that PDK´s work fine in your country.
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10-19-2012, 05:50 AM
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Hi. Don't forget that the first PDK was mine. When i came to Portugal the lrl that i had with me was a PDK with coil stimulator. After it Esteban attached the schematic of PDK and how to put a oscillator as stimulator and ... etc ... etc.... Of course you are the person who made it known over all the world. Regards
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10-19-2012, 07:05 AM
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Hi Morgan I never give you more data , only small tip . Regards.
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10-19-2012, 07:31 AM
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Remember I asked you about , how tune stimulator coil ??, you never give me reply  remember Morgan you said me ""why you don’t thanks from Geo""" then I thanks form Geo ,I thanks only base on manner , but never Geo give me data about LRL , only some pictures , thanks for nothing valuable data !!!!
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10-20-2012, 03:08 PM
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send me email,explaining everything you need,schematics etc,if i can help. Regards
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10-19-2012, 02:08 PM
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This is an interesting discussion about the origins of the pistol detectors. I remember watching the pistol detectors from the early development stages in this forum. The first pistol detector we ever saw in the forum was the Mineoro DCH85, which became the basis for some other experimental and commercial developments. Some time after 2006, Esteban began showing us photos of experimental modifications he made from the DCH85 and other Mineoro designs. The tiny circuits he posted showed that his experiments contained many of the features found in the DCH85, as well as some of the recent PDK designs (See below). Esteban microfilm circuits posted in 2007: It wasn't long after that post when we saw the first posts for an experimental LRL made by Andreas, showing his Dillinger pistol with a high voltage Tesla coil. While he was in contact with Esteban during this construction, the Dillinger was not related to the PD designs like we see in a DCH85 or more modern versions. It was based on Russian circuitry from more than 50 years ago. Then later that same year, we saw the release of the Iconos LRL, which looked suspiciously similar to the Mineoro DCH85, both in the physical design and the circuit design. As time passed we saw a lot of experimental frequency generators and other LRLs in the forum, but nothing seemed to show any consistent results except for random stories of finding treasures. All the commercial and experimental LRLs at that time had people who tried them, claiming they don't work. It wasn't until the end of 2007 that Morgan showed some circuits inside an experimental pistol detector that Alonso built. Looking at the circuit, it was noticeably different than the DCH85, but still had some key features that we find in a DCH85. Possibly this pistol detector was an old prototype which seemed to work better than an actual DCH85. This became the basis for a lot of experimental LRLs which used the exact same circuit, or modified versions. As Morgan and others made more modifications, the circuit became simpler, and began to resemble the DCH85 more closely. Today there are quite a few of these experimental PDs in Greece by various builders, as well as some unusual variants from Morgan in Portugal. Of course, there is also the Tubedec in Brazil, which is essentially an exact copy of a Mineoro DCH85 put into a different housing. But what about the Crypton? Is this another pistol detector, or modified DCH85? From what I have seen it is not. It does not detect by the principles used in either the DCH85 or the more steamlined PDK models. Nor does it perform the same as a PDK type pistol. From what I can see, this is a design based on a different theory of detection than the theories believed by current PDK experimenters. For this reason, it cannot be compared to a PDK or a DCH85, because the circuit does not work the same. It appears the problems that were observed in early versions of the Crypton were related to a different kind of technology than the simple coil/sample/stimulator that PDK experimenters work with. We can only wait to see if the new Crypton Mini has overcome these problems. Best wishes, J_P
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10-19-2012, 07:43 PM
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Hi J_P.
The "experimental LRL made by Andreas, showing his Dillinger pistol with a high voltage Tesla coil" is not a design from Andreas. It is a commercial lrl with name Positron, Andreas the only that he made is to reverse the schematic, nothing else. Now about Cryfton... it is a Andy Flind MFD. About mini Cryfton... i don't know but this time i really want to see a real lrl
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10-19-2012, 08:27 PM
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Hi all
Many members talking and having opinions about crypton As I visited crypton website , and as I know designer of OBMD1 is Andreas. He is member of forum , it is strange , why we didn’t meet him here for long time ? In my opinion better Andreas present here and saying more about OBMD1 . Best regards.
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10-22-2012, 06:36 PM
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Sorry, my friend, Tubedec has nothing to do with Mineoro or DCH85. Tubedec's sensor is even beyond your dreams, as its working principle proves Hertz was mistaken and standard electromagnetic theory is wrong. But isn't science exactly about allowing understanding and discoveries?
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10-22-2012, 10:50 PM
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Have you come out of your bunker to perform more debunkering? What dreams do you imagine we have? Do you imagine we believe you actually learned electronics? I don't think so. I think you copied Alonso's DCH85 circuit. Should we post a copy of the circuit board you had made with all components shown for your tubedec, alongside of a copy of Alonso's DCH85 circuit? Best wishes, J_P P.S. You really should pay royalties to Alonso... but maybe I am wrong, since Alonso copied much of his circuits from copyrighted circuits that were designed by American engineers.
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10-21-2012, 08:41 PM
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May be you are right Morgan, but has you know, everyone who don´t whant to share his information on the forum and give us just confusing information, must think that this is a forum to share and experiments expiriencies.
I remember very well that Andreas posted some good information about LRL or PD has you want to call it, and what he recive was just attacks. In my opinion, if you are here, is to share with us, cause every information i got from some people who said some success with pdk or pd, then start to send you confusing information, that and the end you give up and start again this time to think about buying a pdk or LRL. May be a good way to do some marketing, but not good to be here, cause at the end the thru will be know. Andreas in my opinion is a good person who prefer to stay away from the forum, after lots of bad people started to attack him instead of trying to learn from him. If he gots schematics and ideas from pd, mineoro, pdk or what ever, is fine, cause today he is showing another device, that is diferent from what we normaly see. So think that may be his detectors are good has your pdk is good too. If you have got respect for the your job you have done, i think Andreas need to be treated the same way. At the end will know who are right, cause i have no doubs that pdk or crypton will show performance while coustomers get their units on hands and give it a good field test and reviews here. Regards Nelson Quote:
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10-23-2012, 04:14 PM
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I give what i can give to the forum,is unfair to give my PDK all secrets,also Andreas will not give you schematic of the Crypton. PDK-2.1 is handmade,one or two devices per month... Crypton is a mass production of 60 units per month So,you will tell us the performance of your POCKET crypton. Have a nice day
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10-23-2012, 07:40 PM
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Hi Morgan
you say "..Crypton is a mass production of 60 units per month So,you will tell us the performance of your POCKET crypton...." If i understand well, you try to derating pocket? If i understand well, you mean if is mass production is not a fine LRL? Listen to me my friend. For me only two machines per day is a very low production. I can draw again software CAD for three or four... machines per day, but i cannot. Do you know why? It's simple . I use only wood. Wood is very difficult for connection without screws and set-all without false and very long time use wood-glue. In practice i have not holes, places and handmade stage for small tips, but i have also strong work for finish a device. For calibration a pocket , i need two hours. Long time for me. For calibration a OBMD-1 i need three days Difference between us is only two points. 1. You work all steps with handmade, i use basic steps laser-cutters and CNC. In this case , i can tell you pocket is a handmade machine, with all the advantages of technology to keep the same performance for all devices. 2. You work without lab , ofcourse without investing money in machinery. I working with rather large investments. Ask how much cost a laser 180w with scheduled starting points and this is a small machine for me. Believe me, you build only two PDK per months, but you are lucky-man because you have not investing best regards
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Andy Flind is dead  .So, what new schematic they put inside????  Regards
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