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Old 03-20-2016, 08:17 PM
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LRL's only assistant human computer - subconscious to register the correct signal.
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Old 03-21-2016, 04:00 PM
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LRL's only assistant human computer - subconscious to register the correct signal.
Your statement does not address the placebo effect. In the placebo effect there is nothing there. I know many/most people do not understand that a true LRL (I'm referring mainly to the frequency discriminators which almost every project on this forum utilizes to some extent) will effect the L-rods even if it is only a minute amount. So your statement is partially correct but I would use the term "L-rods" instead of "LRL".

Here's something to ponder: I have a frequency discriminator with an electronic receiver. If I do not wait five minutes for the signal line to develop it will not be on the target. If I use L-rods during this initial time i will get a response as if there is a signal line present. Then I get out the electronic receiver and can pick up the same exact line but they are both wrong because the discriminated signal line has not yet developed! Obviously this is not the placebo effect--the L-rods (and the electronic receiver) are responding to something.

I'm not here to start an argument, just wanted to state what I know.
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Old 03-21-2016, 05:02 PM
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BTW, the five minutes for the signal line to develop is just an average number for around here. We have very dry ground right now and sandy soil. Damp ground or something more solid gives quicker times. But magnetic disturbances can cause much longer times. Extreme situations maybe have to come back the next day or longer.

This has been my uneasiness about the hand-held devices. Maybe your ground is different, but it still takes time for the discriminated signal line to develop. You pick up lines but they are not to the target, maybe iron or water until the discriminated line locks on.
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Old 03-21-2016, 05:17 PM
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Shorter distances will be quicker times. My five minutes is for a half-ounce silver from about 75 feet (>20+ meters) on the lowest power setting. Sometimes quicker and sometimes much longer. You could experiment with this by letting your device point to an area for five minutes and see if you can detect a more distant target.
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Old 03-21-2016, 08:40 PM
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I with my frequency generator with L rods cover a kilometer for a great subject for time less than 1 minute. After turning off the power generator and the line remained standing many days.
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Old 03-21-2016, 08:53 PM
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Just so you know, today is not a good day for doing any experiments. The magnetic field is bouncing all over the place.
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Old 03-21-2016, 09:31 PM
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I with my frequency generator with L rods cover a kilometer for a great subject for time less than 1 minute. After turning off the power generator and the line remained standing many days.
Oh, so that's why the earth's field is shaking.

Yeah, some frequencies hit faster but the one's I have worked with also hit multiple targets that are not discriminated.
I'm working very low power which obviously takes longer. i can raise the level about thirty-five times but usually no need for working in my yard.
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Old 03-22-2016, 04:09 PM
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I was able to get a lock on yesterday. It's still buffeting today a little bit. Took nearly ten minutes to get a good lock on.

If I get a false lock on (spontaneous potential or whatever) I have found if I just walk down the line my own body field (or maybe it;s the speaker magnet inside the receiver?) is enough to cancel that non-discriminated line. It might not go directly to the correct line, but it does move away. I've heard of people saying they stomp on the ground to cancel a false line, I don't seem to need to do that.
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