How can comprobe if LRL rods works

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Yes - it may appear to you that the dowsing rods are working, but it is a "trick of the mind".
If you take the time to set up a double-blind test, you will find that the effect disappears.

Hi Qiaozhi.
I can't understand why is trick of the mind???
Yesterday afternoon i received a signal with my L Rods at my farm. I dig it (last time i spend my time at farm so it is very often and easy for me to dowse or to dig) and i found a piece of copper about 4 cm. i received the signal from 20m distance and from all the directions.
So were is the trick of the mind ?? Why to do a double-blind test ???
Of course there are times that i take signal, but i find nothing. If we stay at the times where we find any object (small or big, gold or iron), i think that it is time to study the phenomenon.

my regards

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi Qiaozhi.
I can't understand why is trick of the mind???
Yesterday afternoon i received a signal with my L Rods at my farm. I dig it (last time i spend my time at farm so it is very often and easy for me to dowse or to dig) and i found a piece of copper about 4 cm. i received the signal from 20m distance and from all the directions.
So were is the trick of the mind ?? Why to do a double-blind test ???
Of course there are times that i take signal, but i find nothing. If we stay at the times where we find any object (small or big, gold or iron), i think that it is time to study the phenomenon.

my regards

You have answered your own question:

1. Yesterday afternoon i received a signal with my L Rods at my farm ... and i found a piece of copper about 4 cm.
2. ... there are times that i take signal, but i find nothing.

If you record all the times you receive a "signal", and then write down the result, you will find that it is the same result as guessing. Dowsing is quite compelling because it is easy to deceive yourself that the movement of the rods is due to an external influence, when in fact it is caused by the ideomotor effect. This effect is produced from the unconscious mind. When you combine this with selective memory, it then becomes a trick of the mind. Try a double-blind test, and the "effect" will go away. It's only an illusion.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

You have answered your own question:

1. Yesterday afternoon i received a signal with my L Rods at my farm ... and i found a piece of copper about 4 cm.
2. ... there are times that i take signal, but i find nothing.

If you record all the times you receive a "signal", and then write down the result, you will find that it is the same result as guessing. Dowsing is quite compelling because it is easy to deceive yourself that the movement of the rods is due to an external influence, when in fact it is caused by the ideomotor effect. This effect is produced from the unconscious mind. When you combine this with selective memory, it then becomes a trick of the mind. Try a double-blind test, and the "effect" will go away. It's only an illusion.

So the copper that i found is a product from the unconscious mind ??
Coins that i have found are a product from the unconscious mind ????
The only that i know is that i take the L Rods and i find coins etc. I have found more coins with the rods than with metal detectors.
I have not problem if the coins that i found are from dowsing method or from unconscious mind. Please find a method so the unconscious mind to help us for finding coins treasures etc without the need of metal detectors.

[Esteban]

A friend mark a site from 200 m, but in the site normal detectors don't show signals. The persons dig and found 4 big French silver coins of 1835 at 2.30 meters. So, sometimes you don't found because is at high depth.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Esteban

A friend mark a site from 200 m, but in the site normal detectors don't show signals. The persons dig and found 4 big French silver coins of 1835 at 2.30 meters. So, sometimes you don't found because is at high depth.

I absolutely agree. Simply sometimes I am more relaxed in my answers, because I want is given attention in other point.
Regards

[hung]

Hi Okantex!

Don't waste your time with Ozzy... The only thing here that trully does not work is himself!

[hung]

Geo, maybe you need to double check with your ICONOS or your own electronic LRL.
Before the MIDAS, I and my team always had the Rangertell point a direction as a first detector. Then after sometime, the PDC, FG, etc started to react until we could get to the target.

This aproach with your dowsing rods would be useful for you to start to isolate only gold.
Best regards.

[Esteban]

Of course, you'll mantain some attitude and have practice with it. I see a man who almost never fails and the method is some complex, but is between 2 persons. Also I found with it, but don't know why... but better is inside a motor wich produce some vibrations in hand, this help very much.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Of course, you'll mantain some attitude and have practice with it. I see a man who almost never fails and the method is some complex, but is between 2 persons. Also I found with it, but don't know why... but better is inside a motor wich produce some vibrations in hand, this help very much.

You can use LEDs also.
I beieve Knouzm dowsing devices all have LEDs.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by hung

You can use LEDs also.
I beieve Knouzm dowsing devices all have LEDs.

No, vibration is for muscle, leds no.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

You can use LEDs also.
I beieve Knouzm dowsing devices all have LEDs.

http://knouzm.net/content/view/333/98/lang,en/

Hmmm ... this looks like some familiar wallet-mining.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Geo

So the copper that i found is a product from the unconscious mind ??
Coins that i have found are a product from the unconscious mind ????
The only that i know is that i take the L Rods and i find coins etc. I have found more coins with the rods than with metal detectors.
I have not problem if the coins that i found are from dowsing method or from unconscious mind. Please find a method so the unconscious mind to help us for finding coins treasures etc without the need of metal detectors.

If you want to use rods, guessing, or whatever to find treasure ... and it seems to be working for you ... then use it.

But. if you want to understand what's really happening, perform a double-blind test. Of course, if you're like Hung, you can continue with your head in the sand and refuse to know the sad truth.

Whatever you decide, it's up to you.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

If you want to use rods, guessing, or whatever to find treasure ... and it seems to be working for you ... then use it.

But. if you want to understand what's really happening, perform a double-blind test. Of course, if you're like Hung, you can continue with your head in the sand and refuse to know the sad truth.

Whatever you decide, it's up to you.

I believe that you did not understand what I mean. With the rods, i and a lot of other we find easily, difference burried objects. Most of them are rust objects. I do not believe where rods indicate to me, and I find some object, that all they are accidental. For this I would want is even studied this phenomenon, for the rusting objects.
If the science still do not discover, with who way it functions Dowsing, it not means that it is not in effect Dowsing. And naturally, we did not deal with this ??????

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

If you want to use rods, guessing, or whatever to find treasure ... and it seems to be working for you ... then use it.

But. if you want to understand what's really happening, perform a double-blind test. Of course, if you're like Hung, you can continue with your head in the sand and refuse to know the sad truth.

Whatever you decide, it's up to you.

Yesterday i located with rods a place at my farm. I took my DP and i checked it. Really was a object . I dig it and i found a rust bolt.
How L Rods located this bolt!!!

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Geo

Yesterday i located with rods a place at my farm. I took my DP and i checked it. Really was a object . I dig it and i found a rust bolt.
How L Rods located this bolt!!!

The simple answer is that the rods did not detect the bolt.

Instead of just using the rods, try this:
Go to a field and stand in a random location. Throw a dice, If it's a 6 then dig a deep hole and look for any metallic objects. You can use a metal detector to do the pinpointing. If it's not a 6, then take one step in any direction, and again throw the dice. Only dig if it shows a 6. Record how many objects you find and how many empty holes you dig.

Then go out and use the rods, and again record how many objects you find and how many empty holes you dig. If you spend a full day doing both activities, in order to get some statistically significant results, you will find that there is no difference between the two.

Note that this is not a double-blind test, and is open to human error. Particularly as the person performing the test can unconsciously choose a productive area for the rods, and an unproductive area for the dice, based on visual clues.

I know that the way the rods twitch is quite compelling, but believe me it's a trick of the mind. Also, if you've never tried using a ouija board, then you should. As that's something that's even more compelling. No wonder the Victorians were so obsessed with psychic phenomenon. However, this is also s trick of the mind, and guess what? ... it's caused by the same ideomotor effect, but is greatly amplified by there being more than one person involved.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by ivconic

So...i was thinking that seriously. But...than i remembered that there is no luck in cheating people.

I am not so sure about this when i look around me .But as you say it is better to feel well in his mind than rich and corrupt.

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

... it's caused by the same ideomotor effect, but is greatly amplified by there being more than one person involved.

Yes Geo, unless you make a double blind test or equivalent, you can´t get true results. Of course if it works for you it´s fine, but if you want to understand what happens, you should do it.
If it really works double blind test will not destoy it anyway,so why not to perform it? And this is true for Dell too.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

The simple answer is that the rods did not detect the bolt.

Instead of just using the rods, try this:
Go to a field and stand in a random location. Throw a dice, If it's a 6 then dig a deep hole and look for any metallic objects. You can use a metal detector to do the pinpointing. If it's not a 6, then take one step in any direction, and again throw the dice. Only dig if it shows a 6. Record how many objects you find and how many empty holes you dig.

Then go out and use the rods, and again record how many objects you find and how many empty holes you dig. If you spend a full day doing both activities, in order to get some statistically significant results, you will find that there is no difference between the two.

Exactly, that is what you will find. Also, if you really want to experience the truth about what is happening; leave the metal detector at home. Dig only where the rods indicate a target and do not double check the spot with your metal detector. If you do this many times, in an area that could have some viable targets in it, eventually you will dig down and find something that could be considered a target. However, if you keep track of the totally empty holes dug and compare those to where you may have found a target - you will once again come up with pure Chance Results. That is, you could have found the same number of targets just by guessing where to dig next.

Sorry, but that's truth of the matter, and any other concocted interpretation is strictly as was already stated; ...a trick of the mind.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

The simple answer is that the rods did not detect the bolt.

Instead of just using the rods, try this:
Go to a field and stand in a random location. Throw a dice, If it's a 6 then dig a deep hole and look for any metallic objects. You can use a metal detector to do the pinpointing. If it's not a 6, then take one step in any direction, and again throw the dice. Only dig if it shows a 6. Record how many objects you find and how many empty holes you dig.

Then go out and use the rods, and again record how many objects you find and how many empty holes you dig. If you spend a full day doing both activities, in order to get some statistically significant results, you will find that there is no difference between the two.

Note that this is not a double-blind test, and is open to human error. Particularly as the person performing the test can unconsciously choose a productive area for the rods, and an unproductive area for the dice, based on visual clues.

I know that the way the rods twitch is quite compelling, but believe me it's a trick of the mind. Also, if you've never tried using a ouija board, then you should. As that's something that's even more compelling. No wonder the Victorians were so obsessed with psychic phenomenon. However, this is also s trick of the mind, and guess what? ... it's caused by the same ideomotor effect, but is greatly amplified by there being more than one person involved.

Hahahaha.... Quaozhi i stop here to speak about dowsing with you. Sorry.... If one time you will come to greece, please call me to meet you, and you will see things that never will forget. You will see my friend with L rods to locate exactly coins (only copper or silver, no gold) from 1 or 2 Km away. You will see him to dig and to take out the coins WITHOUT metal detector for pinpoint. But the problem is what you will say later....
Anyway you have my regards