Bionic X4

[J_Player]

This has turned into a skeptic circle jerk. Typical pseudo-skeptic logic. Anyone here really think these skeptics are sincere? They are not. They don't have a leg to stand on. This whole pseudo-skeptic thing is all bogus folks--every word of it...

Not sincere? What?
Tell that to thousands of metal detectorists who show all the treasures they found at these forums:

http://www.findmall.com/

http://forum.treasurenet.com/

http://www.thetreasuredepot.com/

http://www.treasurehunterforum.net/

http://www.treasurequestxlt.com/community/

http://www.mytreasurespot.com/

Go ahead... make follow-up forum posts every time you see detectorists posting photos of recoveries they say they made in those forums... tell them they are showing fake jewelry recoveries and other bogus treasures. I am sure you can expose this big skeptic fraud so everyone stops wasting their hard-earned dollars on a metal detector.


Question: What's easier to believe?

1. Thousands of photos showing stuff recovered with metal detectors are mostly fake scam photos and lies, and only Mike(Mont) and hung are right in saying metal detectors are not a good method to find treasures.

Or...

2. Thousands of photos showing stuff recovered with metal detectors are mostly true recoveries and Mike(Mont) is attempting to blame his poverty on metal detector companies.




Best wishes,
J_P

[Funfinder]

The bla and bla and bla goes on and on and on...

I say it now for the last time:

This is a criminalistic case and we have to work professional to find the correct answers and not this childish assumptions, rumors, hear'n say and argumenting without well know informations!

.

Why I think the OKM Bionic works somehow?

(btw. I have not seen their video so far)

Well, this has something to do with criminalistic sense:

OKM is an electronic engineering company that produces and sells other (for shure working!) detectors, too and since 5 years it has improved the Bionic.

You can't claim out of nothing that the only reason of their business is to cheat and rob their customers. It is simply not the type how to get a good criminal business if they really would intend this.

And furthermore I'm pretty shure those OKM and Mineoro detectors are based on the same basic-circuits or detection system.


Of course this has nothing to do with "esoteric bionic bio energy", with chakra or chi energy, with blood temperature or strange "soul forces", aura or psycho-kinetic powers.

It was stupid OKM choose the name "Bionic" for those detectors because this already implies some esoterical background like it is with pendulum or dowsing rod.



Why I think I get a response from them?

Very simple - because I have some influence in the german speaking treasure hunting area and OKM can't afford bad publicity. And they don't wanna lose me as a potential interested customer.

Of course I doubt they could tell me any really convincing just by e-mail. However I could threaten them with the justice if they sell stuff that doesn't proven works. I'm already curious how they wanna convince me this stuff will really detects what they claim.

One first method could be finding out what OKM is using to test and improve those Bionics. Because they must test (quality check) it before selling so they are shure the device was sold in functioning state.



btw. we have to see to buried treasures from an other angle of view:

In fact metal objects are floating in a space of different kind of radiation!

Our usual MDs creates a very strong EM field that makes detection "somehow very simple" because of the very strong interaction pattern.

But the metal object is interacting also without any additional MD VLF transceiver:

There are the earth magnetical field lines and the vertical electrostatic force. Additional any metal objects, no matter if buried or not, attracts or reflects electromagnetical radiation.

And as Mr. and Ms. Curie have shown, radium becomes lead and loses weight after long enough sending out EM radiation aka electrons/photons.

I mention this because shure it could be possible that buried metal interacts with the natural EM-fields by creating special detectable patterns, resonance or whatever.

What Morgans experiments show so far is the following:
The buried metal first has to built up some kind of "soil-battery" by using electrolytic salts and minerals.

We have to find out how strong such electrical-areas interact with natural or artificial long wave radiation and how this for every electronical somehow experienced person easy understandable circuit really works! Is this so complicated? I think not! And finding out if the Bionic works or not is completly childsplay!

Create or find working test object, switch it on and see if it's detectable!

A metal detector has to find over and over again the hidden target and the same applies to Mineoro or OKM.

If they are unable even for this stupid simple stuff and if they are unable to provide a real testable testing object available they have failed and will have the consequences!

[J_Player]

The bla and bla and bla goes on and on and on...

I say it now for the last time:

This is a criminalistic case and we have to work professional to find the correct answers and not this childish assumptions, rumors, hear'n say and argumenting without well know informations!




Why I think the OKM Bionic works somehow?

(btw. I have not seen their video so far)

Well, this has something to do with criminalistic sense:

OKM is an electronic engineering company that produces and sells other (for shure working!) detectors, too and since 5 years it has improved the Bionic.

You can't claim out of nothing that the only reason of their business is to cheat and rob their customers. It is simply not the type how to get a good criminal business if they really would intend this.

And furthermore I'm pretty shure those OKM and Mineoro detectors are based on the same basic-circuits or detection system.


Of course this has nothing to do with "esoteric bionic bio energy", with chakra or chi energy, with blood temperature or strange "soul forces", aura or psycho-kinetic powers.

It was stupid OKM choose the name "Bionic" for those detectors because this already implies some esoterical background like it is with pendulum or dowsing rod.



Why I think I get a response from them?

Very simple - because I have some influence in the german speaking treasure hunting area and OKM can't afford bad publicity. And they don't wanna lose me as a potential interested customer.

Of course I doubt they could tell me any really convincing just by e-mail. However I could threaten them with the justice if they sell stuff that doesn't proven works. I'm already curious how they wanna convince me this stuff will really detects what they claim.

One first method could be finding out what OKM is using to test and improve those Bionics. Because they must test (quality check) it before selling so they are shure the device was sold in functioning state.



btw. we have to see to buried treasures from an other angle of view:

In fact metal objects are floating in a space of different kind of radiation!

Our usual MDs creates a very strong EM field that makes detection "somehow very simple" because of the very strong interaction pattern.

But the metal object is interacting also without any additional MD VLF transceiver:

There are the earth magnetical field lines and the vertical electrostatic force. Additional any metal objects, no matter if buried or not, attracts or reflects electromagnetical radiation.

And as Mr. and Ms. Curie have shown, radium becomes lead and loses weight after long enough sending out EM radiation aka electrons/photons.

I mention this because shure it could be possible that buried metal interacts with the natural EM-fields by creating special detectable patterns, resonance or whatever.

What Morgans experiments show so far is the following:
The buried metal first has to built up some kind of "soil-battery" by using electrolytic salts and minerals.

We have to find out how strong such electrical-areas interact with natural or artificial long wave radiation and how this for every electronical somehow experienced person easy understandable circuit really works! Is this so complicated? I think not! And finding out if the Bionic works or not is completly childsplay!

Create or find working test object, switch it on and see if it's detectable!

A metal detector has to find over and over again the hidden target and the same applies to Mineoro or OKM.

If they are unable even for this stupid simple stuff and if they are unable to provide a real testable testing object available they have failed and will have the consequences!

You are wrong again.
We don't have to find out anything about Bionic or any other machine that is claimed to find treasure.
The company who makes these machines has to convince us.
And Bionic didn't convince anyone yet except a few foolish people and some retards.
If you think you need to know for sure that it does not work, then why not go buy one and prove it to yourself?
Why do you expect us to prove it when we already saw the results of the Bionic scams?

Second, Morgan showed nothing about soil batteries and mineral salts.
He showed only videos of his machines beeping when he moved them over certain grounds, and some of his circuits beeping and causing LEDs to light when metal things were near.
If you really think he showed us mineral salt chemistry, then prove it.
I would like to see some reference where he demonstrated salts or batteries formed in the ground.

If you can't prove what you are talking about, then maybe it is a good idea to stop making silly comments that
are not based in fact, and are simply your own presumptions and embellishments that you add to what others are doing.


Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

It's called marketing when it's a metal detector and it's called scamming when it's an LRL. That's more skeptic logic.

Where did you read MD marketing claims about kilometers of detecting distance, as usual in LRL scamming claims?

Sceptic do not need to prove that MD works as claimed, this is evidenced by LRL believers itself, who, without the use of MD, can not find anything.

So we can speak only about "more LRL believers anti-logic".

[Morgan]

The bla and bla and bla goes on and on and on...

I say it now for the last time:

This is a criminalistic case and we have to work professional to find the correct answers and not this childish assumptions, rumors, hear'n say and argumenting without well know informations!




Why I think the OKM Bionic works somehow?

(btw. I have not seen their video so far)

Well, this has something to do with criminalistic sense:

OKM is an electronic engineering company that produces and sells other (for shure working!) detectors, too and since 5 years it has improved the Bionic.

You can't claim out of nothing that the only reason of their business is to cheat and rob their customers. It is simply not the type how to get a good criminal business if they really would intend this.

And furthermore I'm pretty shure those OKM and Mineoro detectors are based on the same basic-circuits or detection system.


Of course this has nothing to do with "esoteric bionic bio energy", with chakra or chi energy, with blood temperature or strange "soul forces", aura or psycho-kinetic powers.

It was stupid OKM choose the name "Bionic" for those detectors because this already implies some esoterical background like it is with pendulum or dowsing rod.



Why I think I get a response from them?

Very simple - because I have some influence in the german speaking treasure hunting area and OKM can't afford bad publicity. And they don't wanna lose me as a potential interested customer.

Of course I doubt they could tell me any really convincing just by e-mail. However I could threaten them with the justice if they sell stuff that doesn't proven works. I'm already curious how they wanna convince me this stuff will really detects what they claim.

One first method could be finding out what OKM is using to test and improve those Bionics. Because they must test (quality check) it before selling so they are shure the device was sold in functioning state.



btw. we have to see to buried treasures from an other angle of view:

In fact metal objects are floating in a space of different kind of radiation!

Our usual MDs creates a very strong EM field that makes detection "somehow very simple" because of the very strong interaction pattern.

But the metal object is interacting also without any additional MD VLF transceiver:

There are the earth magnetical field lines and the vertical electrostatic force. Additional any metal objects, no matter if buried or not, attracts or reflects electromagnetical radiation.

And as Mr. and Ms. Curie have shown, radium becomes lead and loses weight after long enough sending out EM radiation aka electrons/photons.

I mention this because shure it could be possible that buried metal interacts with the natural EM-fields by creating special detectable patterns, resonance or whatever.

What Morgans experiments show so far is the following:
The buried metal first has to built up some kind of "soil-battery" by using electrolytic salts and minerals.

We have to find out how strong such electrical-areas interact with natural or artificial long wave radiation and how this for every electronical somehow experienced person easy understandable circuit really works! Is this so complicated? I think not! And finding out if the Bionic works or not is completly childsplay!

Create or find working test object, switch it on and see if it's detectable!

A metal detector has to find over and over again the hidden target and the same applies to Mineoro or OKM.

If they are unable even for this stupid simple stuff and if they are unable to provide a real testable testing object available they have failed and will have the consequences!

I have my FIELD TEST ,you can bring the BIONIC models to make a test...

[Morgan]

You are wrong again.
We don't have to find out anything about Bionic or any other machine that is claimed to find treasure.
The company who makes these machines has to convince us.
And Bionic didn't convince anyone yet except a few foolish people and some retards.
If you think you need to know for sure that it does not work, then why not go buy one and prove it to yourself?
Why do you expect us to prove it when we already saw the results of the Bionic scams?

Second, Morgan showed nothing about soil batteries and mineral salts.
He showed only videos of his machines beeping when he moved them over certain grounds, and some of his circuits beeping and causing LEDs to light when metal things were near.
If you really think he showed us mineral salt chemistry, then prove it.
I would like to see some reference where he demonstrated salts or batteries formed in the ground.

If you can't prove what you are talking about, then maybe it is a good idea to stop making silly comments that
are not based in fact, and are simply your own presumptions and embellishments that you add to what others are doing.


Best wishes,
J_P

The salt mixed with gold or silver acelerate the PHENOMENON process.

You dont need to believe that LRL PDK works,you are free to express your opinions.

[J_Player]

The salt mixed with gold or silver acelerate the PHENOMENON process.

You dont need to believe that LRL PDK works,you are free to express your opinions.

Hi Morgan,
I can believe that salt mixed with the gold or silver alloys will accelerate their dissolving into the soil as you say.
But this is not what you showed in your experiments.
You showed your machines beeping when they were moved over certain grounds, and you showed them beep and LEDs turn on when they were near metal.

Why would you care what I believe?
I never claimed that I don't believe your explanations of finding treasure with your pistols.
Maybe you forget it was Geo who had trouble believing until after he saw with his own eyes.
In any case it does not matter if people believe or not.
Believing only matters to manufacturers like OKM who want people to send them money.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Funfinder]

Some persons confuse entertainment with scientific work.

They like fairytale and fantasy-movies, unreal action and stupid Music lyrics more than the reality, more than making themself serious thoughts about the reality.

How it comes last year no one here defended or helped me against the stupid "just beat everything down" s**t-talk of WM6 against the Jeohunter?

Because no one here has had any real information, any clue!

And the same applies to the whole LRL topics!

This is a very evil kind of aggressive information gathering:
1st someone has prooven defend what he claims if he wanna gets accepted by those stubborn and absolutly uninformed sceptics.

From their position they think they have the right acting with such attacking methods, because they don't wanna get fooled. But they oversee, that their reservated, ignorant and arrogant positition won't help anyone.


Perhaps this is the revenge for formerly not as they should working LRLs or for in deed evil scam, betraying and deceiving information.

But it won't help us getting to the bottom of true information.


J_Player, why you don't sue OKM and Mineoro if you so 100% shure those are liars, scammers, fraudsters and very evil crap-sellers?

It's your duty as a law- and justice loving member of the society that doesn't want to get fooled and ripped off by bad companies!

Or you can accuse the whole country because they allow such companies like Mineoro or OKM to sell their "evil stuff".


If you don't like to do this, you have to cope with the actual situation and should try to find the truth with working methods and not just by the over and over same claims.

And all those who are already working or experimenting with LRL prototypes or homebrew circuits have to help to clear the situation, to find out what's exactly is going on and should acting as professional as possible for making technical issues reprovable, understandable and convincible for everyone.


We don't need "hyper fantastic claims" and also no denials of all and everything!

[Geo]

Hi Funfinder.
I think that J_P is a good sceptic and parallel a LRL lover. Very simple he don't like to "eat" every LRL distributed on the market.At the same time I want to congratulate you for the courage to express your posts

Regards

[Funfinder]

Thanx Geo and wish you and Andreas most good luck (of course Morgan, too!) in developing the for the moment best possible "special detectors".

[Morgan]

Thanx Geo and wish you and Andreas most good luck (of course Morgan, too!) in developing the for the moment best possible "special detectors".

Thanks,i already have very good LRL´s

Here one PDK 2 at work

[Morgan]

Thanx Geo and wish you and Andreas most good luck (of course Morgan, too!) in developing the for the moment best possible "special detectors".

many people ask me to sell PDK 2,but i dont know the intentions,if is only for treasure hunting or copy CLONAGE...

[Morgan]

many people ask me to sell PDK 2,but i dont know the intentions,if is only for treasure hunting or copy CLONAGE...

to copy and make clones is the big problem

[kt315]

[wam]

Europe is a place of law. It is illegal to sell a product which does not work.
So far customers do not sue OKM and there was no prosecution because LRL are working according to the specification. Every buyer can check his complains with the lawyer. Just ask any lawyer to read product instruction and verify if information is true. The case is that manual not clearly states that LRL does not work as a Long Rang Locator. Long Range Locator is not a product specification, it is a name of the product. If you read instruction carefully, you can find that long range location/detection is not a product functionality. This product is to deliver entertainment for recreational activities and this is what you pay for, law does not protect people who do not want to check what they pay for.
Regards,