Ivconic's Negative Ion Detector circuit

[Qiaozhi]

Yes , but I it see without excavate.


Regards.

Can you post an image from the GPR?

[Geo]

What I'm getting at is ... you cannot claim that you've found a treasure (especially from 10km distance) if you've never dug it up.

I agree. But i have found objects from 300+ meter, distance that it is not seem true to the sceptics.

[Qiaozhi]

I agree. But i have found objects from 300+ meter, distance that it is not seem true to the sceptics.

The trouble with these anecdotes is the manner in which the object was found. Invariably the teller of the story has used an LRL to follow some sort of signal. What that signal is, we have no idea, but it is supposed to emanate from the distant object and is received by the LRL. After following the signal for some time, it becomes erratic, which apparently gives an indication that you are close to the target. At that point a different device (usually a metal detector) is used to locate the object.

I would bet that, if you were to retrace your 300m journey back to the starting point, searching carefully with the metal detector along the way, there would be numerous other objcets that never registered on the LRL.

[Geo]

The trouble with these anecdotes is the manner in which the object was found. Invariably the teller of the story has used an LRL to follow some sort of signal. What that signal is, we have no idea, but it is supposed to emanate from the distant object and is received by the LRL. After following the signal for some time, it becomes erratic, which apparently gives an indication that you are close to the target. At that point a different device (usually a metal detector) is used to locate the object.

I would bet that, if you were to retrace your 300m journey back to the starting point, searching carefully with the metal detector along the way, there would be numerous other objcets that never registered on the LRL.

We are so old men to make so big mistakes.
The problem of sceptics is that they never saw a man to locate objects from big distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detector. One of them (sceptics) was me before some years until i saw a friend of me to locate objects very easy and from very far with only the lrods. It was the person that i said to WM6 to visit Greece so to show him how the lrl and the lrods work.
But now it is very late.
My friend died before 3 months. It was only 55 years old.

Regards

[Qiaozhi]

We are so old men to make so big mistakes.
The problem of sceptics is that they never saw a man to locate objects from big distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detector. One of them (sceptics) was me before some years until i saw a friend of me to locate objects very easy and from very far with only the lrods. It was the person that i said to WM6 to visit Greece so to show him how the lrl and the lrods work.
But now it is very late.
My friend died before 3 months. It was only 55 years old.

Regards

I don't suppose we will ever agree on this. I've watched Derren Brown do a lot of amazing things, but never once have I been convinced that his "tricks" were real.

Sorry to hear the sad news about your friend.

[humhum]

Can you post an image from the GPR?

For view or image with GPR , I will need go to treasure , but law is strong , can after few time.


Regards.

[Qiaozhi]

For view or image with GPR , I will need go to treasure , but law is strong , can after few time.


Regards.

OK - I'll look forward to seeing the images. Try not to get arrested in the process.

[J_Player]

The problem of sceptics is that they never saw a man to locate objects from big distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detector....

Exactly!
And nobody ever will see anyone locate objects from long distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detecor...


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Exactly!
And nobody ever will see anyone locate objects from long distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detecor...


Best wishes,
J_P

For another time you don't know what you write

Regards

[sakis1]

Exactly!
And nobody ever will see anyone locate objects from long distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detecor...


Best wishes,
J_P

My friend is wrong thinking about what,

[storm1]

J_Player , you are 100% correct when you say ...
And nobody ever will see anyone locate objects from long distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detecor.....
You know why????
Because nobady can pinpoint the center of the loot in a range of couple square meters.
But, also , nobady with a metal detector can search an area of few thousand square meters.
You don't use lrls to find coins in the beach.

Regards

[g-sani]

Exactly!
And nobody ever will see anyone locate objects from long distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detecor...


Best wishes,
J_P

hi J_P, how is it going?
I am always using a metal detector as a help but believe me that it was many times that me together whith two friends discovered in swallow depth treasure maps inside small objects.Over here the treasure hunters call them colaouzo.
About always it was copper or bronze covered in natural wax so to prevent the damage moisture could do through time.
We found them by dowsing but most of the times and before digging we used to walk around the place in few meters distance looking for signs.So, allthough we had spotted the exact place to dig we had the option of an extra confirmation of the possible target.
I remember a few times that it was a single rock in the place whith a small sign on it and just above the ground.At the same time the dowsing indication was there as well before the sign if you know what I mean. So what was the need of a metal detector.
You just dig and see what comes up.
Of course it is quite impossible to unearth a big treasure this way because they put them deeper but ussually small objects are just only a few inches deep.
An another thing that I wanted to say is that by dowsing it is easy to exact pinpoint a small target and it is even easier when this target is a bronze one.
When we have a big one it is more wise to walk arround it doing circles and see using the triangulation method where all of the signal lines cross.
There are many other ways of spotting the exact place of the target but I do not want to go into that now.
look for example at the following photo



You can see clearly at the right bottom side a very small round sign verifying the existence of the object we found just bellow it in the ground.
It was an old copper oil lamp which had a map inside it from the period of the Turksish occupation.The lid of the lamp was all covered whith wax protecting the paper inside it but the object had some nice patina.
In this case there was no need to use a detector. We knew by looking at the spot that nobody touched it because everything was in place.
Apart from all these I am one of those treasure hunters that I don't trust the detectors when it comes to gold. They are good whith silver and copper but not whith gold.Their detecting capabillity falls dramatically and this is the reason that gold is so difficult to discover.
There you need other instruments to do the job
Regards
g-sani

[g-sani]

I also know many people arround that they dig straight away no matter if their detector is silent to a place they had an indication for gold using rods.
You know why?
Because it happened to have some bad experience in the past.They left the gold behind them for somebody else to find.
It very rare to verify this but yes it is happening and proved from time to time.

[J_Player]

Exactly!
And nobody ever will see anyone locate objects from long distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detecor...


Best wishes,
J_P

hi J_P, how is it going?
I am always using a metal detector as a help but believe me that it was many times that me together whith two friends discovered in swallow depth treasure maps inside small objects.Over here the treasure hunters call them colaouzo.
About always it was copper or bronze covered in natural wax so to prevent the damage moisture could do through time.
We found them by dowsing but most of the times and before digging we used to walk around the place in few meters distance looking for signs.So, allthough we had spotted the exact place to dig we had the option of an extra confirmation of the possible target.
I remember a few times that it was a single rock in the place whith a small sign on it and just above the ground.At the same time the dowsing indication was there as well before the sign if you know what I mean. So what was the need of a metal detector.
You just dig and see what comes up.
Of course it is quite impossible to unearth a big treasure this way because they put them deeper but ussually small objects are just only a few inches deep.
An another thing that I wanted to say is that by dowsing it is easy to exact pinpoint a small target and it is even easier when this target is a bronze one.
When we have a big one it is more wise to walk arround it doing circles and see using the triangulation method where all of the signal lines cross.
There are many other ways of spotting the exact place of the target but I do not want to go into that now.
look for example at the following photo



You can see clearly at the right bottom side a very small round sign verifying the existence of the object we found just bellow it in the ground.
It was an old copper oil lamp which had a map inside it from the period of the Turksish occupation.The lid of the lamp was all covered whith wax protecting the paper inside it but the object had some nice patina.
In this case there was no need to use a detector. We knew by looking at the spot that nobody touched it because everything was in place.
Apart from all these I am one of those treasure hunters that I don't trust the detectors when it comes to gold. They are good whith silver and copper but not whith gold.Their detecting capabillity falls dramatically and this is the reason that gold is so difficult to discover.
There you need other instruments to do the job
Regards
g-sani

Hi g-sani,
I believe you.

I know that dowsers find many treasures with no metal detector, and they find treasure maps that show where to find more treasures.
Even users of LRLs can find buried treasures from long distances without using metal detectors.
I do not say this is not true.

What I say is nobody ever will see anyone locate objects from long distance and to take it out without the help of a metal detector.
We will not see these people make the recoveries because these recoveries can only be made when there is no skeptical witness watching.
These recoveries with no metal detector are not possible to make unless the LRL believers and dowsing believers are making the detection alone, with no skeptical watchers.
If the dowser or LRL user asks a skeptic to hide a treasure and then watch them recover the hidden treasure, then the LRL or dowsing rod will not locate the treasure unless they also use a metal detector.

You see my photo above when I used my LRL to locate a gold ring from 1/2 mile... And you see my metal detector too ..!
I also located many other treasures when there was no metal detector, but I cannot show any skeptics proof when they are watching.
This is the reason why you see the photo only when I was using the metal detector.

I really believe you have great success to find buried treasure maps and treasures with only dowsing, same as LRL users have great success to find buried treasures too.
... But we will never see anyone make these recoveries without the help of a metal detector.


Best Wishes,
J_P

[g-sani]

I know physical dowsers that can easily locate targets in front of skeptics but they don't bother going to competitions and things like that.
To tell you the truth I got a friend which is good in a way you won't believe it and I encouraged him many times to travel together over to America to demonstrate his ability infront of skeptics like Randi and take the price of course but he didn't want to do it.
I also know that they are many that can do it infront of an audience but may be deeply in their heart they don't want other people to know and whenever they see 'no believers' arround they don't show their act in general.
When you discover a treasure and you are in a company of three or four persons everybody is going to take his share afterwards and this is how it should be.
A dowser won't help finding a treasure and give money to a partner that he is not believing in what he is doing.
No, I wouldn't do it myself and I believe that this is fair.
In the same way there are many people arround us that they don't believe in finding a treasure and this is nothing compared to what they believe about dowsing. Some of them even if they just listen to you talking about it they become ironic and upset.

Of course it is anybody right to believe what he wants but would it be nice to see a person like that becoming rich because he found a treasure?
No,
Especially when this person just happened to be there by chance in the right time and place whith others. And imagine that these treasure hunters have spend much time and effort to discover it and they were dowsing believers as well.
No it is not fair
Regards