Terra Gold LR 200 (video)

[Dell Winders]

So, What do you know about the subject? From reading your posts, apparently nothing. So why do you keep pretending you know more than those who have devoted their time energies, and money to learn for themselves and you keep posting comments based in ignorance, and nonsensical beliefs. If you want to have some laughs let pretend psychiatrist Dave J, analyze your comments. He has had a lot of practice in being wrong.

FYI, I duplicated the experiment two others had told me they had conducted, and the Rods reacted with equally positive results as I previously described.

Certainly a Scientifically oriented mind, would prefer to prove the experiment for themselves than accept someone's word for it? Right?

Truth be known, I was the original LRL skeptic before Carl, and Randi.org directed their public attacks only at me for 3 years trying to put me out of business and make a name for them selves. It didn't work, I'm nearly 80 years old and still here with my reputation for honesty still intact. Nothing you say will affect me, or the truth of what I say. Dell

[Dave J.]

George, you're missing the point. Dell's post was itself the documentation that spilled the beans. Nothing more was needed. Dell's been hearing "read the advertisement!" for a long time now, but you're still new to the concept.

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Dell, you're working very hard to discredit your own L-rods here, what the hell has gotten into you? Just because you're getting old doesn't mean you don't need to eat. Please quit trying to cast doubt on unbalanced L-rod design and get back to hyping the separate transmitter concept.

You keep believing that I'm your enemy, and I'm not. Heck, a few years ago I offered to help you write better ad copy, the offer was sincere, and it got stuck on the problem of how to afford a lawyer to review the whole thing, neither of us was in a financial position to hire a lawyer for that purpose at that time. Meanwhile you seem to have managed to say out of jail, and neither of us has any of knowing what would have come of my proposed collaboration had it happened. .......I occasionally offer ad copy improvement advice for my present employer, and they've learned to listen to that advice and often even take it. Advertising is psychology. "Read the advertisement!" Psychology is also the single most important (and difficult) aspect of good product design, whether it be an LRL or a real metal detector. A supposed high-tech LRL doesn't even need to have any functional electronic technology at all, that's how important the role of psychology is in LRL design and marketing. It's hard to sell a metal detector that just plain doesn't detect metal, technology that works is in effect the entry fee ya gotta pay in order to get the opportunity to put psychology to work.

Is marketing LRL's unethical? To some people that's an easy question to answer, and the answer is no. I'm quite fond of the teachings of both Jesus and St. Charlie (Darwin), and those historic commentators on how reality really works offer a more complex perspective on the subject.

Some people are born with little in the way of critical thinking skills. Even striving to be honest with themselves, they're easily bamboozled. At least they can face up to the fact they're deficient in this area, and ask the advice of better mentally equipped friends before making major decisions. I don't regard it as ethical to target LRL's to such people, it's like selling cigarrettes to kids, or a clerk short-changing a customer with Down's syndrome.

Then there's the other folk, who in most areas of life do just fine with critical thinking, but when they really, really want something, their wants control their life and that makes them perfect candidates to be lied to. Two of history's greatest prophets, Gautama Siddartha and James the Just, provided incisive commentary on the dangers of wanting, they regarded it as the path to death.

If someone grew up with dreams of a "majick wand, one that could even point to treasure", and refused to let that one go along with Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, they're fair game, and that's the psychological reason why L-rod based LRL's dominate the market. They're majick wands. Of course adults unlike children do not pay $2.95 for a majick wand, the price tag is usually in the thousands.

This is the Internet Age. They've been warned. If in the end their wants control them, hell isn't frozen after all, there's plenty of room for more people to be roasted. Go for 'em, Dell, pitch the separate transmitter thing, you ain't got much time left and I'd hate to hear that you died of starvation.

And, anyone paying dollars, buy American! And not those other companies who never post here, buy from Dell.

Good evening, sir, sleep well, and awake refreshed tomorrow knowing that even in your odd business there is a mission in life to be found.

--Dave J.

[Carl-NC]

Everyone knows why there are ZERO counterbalanced L-rods on the market-- it's because everyone knows the damn things won't work! Anybody who thought maybe it would work and gave it a try found out the hard way that it doesn't work, and you have given a description (whether an actual or merely fictional event) of such a learning experience. Despite decades of creativity on the part of experimenters, there are ZERO counterbalanced L-rods on the market. It's because they don't work.

I tried counterbalanced L-rods once. Nope, they don't work.

Meanwhile if anyone reading this thread suspects that standalone LRL's are worthless and believes that a separate transmitter is needed to get effective operation, by all means buy one (with your own money)-- from good ol' Dell, made in the USA!

(Sorry admins, I hope that's not too much marketing.)

The value of the lesson learned is proportional to the money spent. So I say, buy the most expensive LRL you can afford to get the best education possible.

- Carl

[Dave J.]

Memo to XMEN

And "xmen", there you have it. The consensus on this side of the Atlantic is that you ain't got nuthin' (your own videos prove that). Pity poor Geo who in order to rehabilitate you has to overcome the testimony of Dell Himself. It's a job which I suppose Geo would have preferred not to have had.

At least I don't understand Greek, only a few written words, and the rest is video which needs little translation. Fraudsters from Latin America tend to run and hide when I show up, because their superstition that nobody north of the Rio Grande can read Spanish or Portuguese gets nuked. Send "Hung" a PM and ask him between him and me, who posts more links to Mineoro and spends time to discuss their content. He is afraid to post links to Mineoro whereas I gladly do so because Mineoro themselves provide the evidence of their fraud, just as you do to yours, that's why I posted the link to your other video.

The problem with doing LRL demos on video, is that people can see what you did or claimed to do. That is information that works against you, unless they are people who do speak Greek and don't know enough English to read the information on the Internet.

So, let's suppose you're living in Greece, and hungry, maybe even trying to feed a family, and "ya gotta do what ya gotta do".

My advice is this: don't post in forums, too many people know too much. Our USA Thomas Alfilani (sp?) got this figured out a long time ago, he's the major LRL'er who has no regular presence on LRL forums, only the occasional "ping" where he gets slapped all the way to Siberia and the problem goes away for another year or two until it all happens again. You can be smarter than Tommy, and here's how it's done: Don't post in areas where people know what you're doing! Prey only on the clueless!

--Dave J.

[Dell Winders]

Dave, in many aspects you also appear clueless, and are merely guessing and pretending you know. Don't be so obvious in advertising your lack of knowledge. Maybe you will get someone to believe you. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

So why do you keep pretending you know more than those who have devoted their time energies, and money to learn for themselves and you keep posting comments based in ignorance, and nonsensical beliefs.

This is really the saddest thing of all; that after more than 30 years of self-deception you are still ..... self-deluded.

30 years of wasted time believing in something that doesn't work and is simply a trick of the mind! Keeping your head buried in the sand and failing to understand reality is (I'm sorry to have to say it) truly a display of ignorance.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that Dell actually believes this stuff, so he's perfectly correct when he describes himself as "honest". The majority of LRL purveyors know this stuff is fraudulent, whereas Dell is so deep in the LRL "hole" that he will never be able to climb out.

[Dave J.]

Dave, in many aspects you also appear clueless, and are merely guessing and pretending you know. Don't be so obvious in advertising your lack of knowledge. Maybe you will get someone to believe you. Dell

Dammit, Dell, wake up! We've known each other for more than 10 years, we've disagreed on a lot of stuff and we've agreed on more than you'll ever publically admit to.

We're both "old pharts", you're a lot older than I am but unlike you I wasn't born with a long liver, so it's entirely possible that you'll be able to visit my gravestone. However you may need a fogie-walker to do it.

If perchance I outlive you, I don't want to read that you starved to death. I want to read that you cleaned the clocks of people who wanted their clocks cleaned fair and square.

Wishing you the best (within reasonable limits),

--Dave J.

[Dave J.]

Dell, back to that "be a competent businessman" stuff:

You've attacked the schitt out of standalone swiveller LRL's. You have lots of support on this, don't squander it!

Here goes again: "separate transmitter". I don't offer any claim that it'll work any better, but at least it sets your stuff apart from the Greek Thingie and the Electroscope and Ranger frauds which you have seemingly denounced in this very thread.

If you continue to disparage your own product with claims that you have the inside dope that your L-rods are designed wrong, that's a hard act to follow with an elephant schitt shovel! I can't fix it for you, you need to get your story straight.

--Dave J.

[Dell Winders]

Sorry Dave, I have no interest in trying compete against exaggerated, or untruthful LRL advertising. My business is, and has been for the past 15 years from "Word of mouth". I have no need to make extra-ordinary claims and my customers are informed of the limitations, before they buy.

This may not be considered competent business by your standards but it is honest and totally open for public scrutiny. Since I started building my own products there has not been even one consumer complaint, an enviable record I can take pride in.

My MFD products are what they are, and they are only going to be as good as the knowledge and experience of the person using them. Therefore a lot of time and practice is devoted to the best methods of using the L-Rods in a LRL application, andproper survey techniques. There is a big difference in the use, and interpretation of L-Rods for Mental Dowsing, or LRL physics. The latter has more limitations that should be understood by the operator to aid in the LRL's successful use.

Thank you for your concern but I am not interested in expanding my customer base any further. There are times when I have been backlogged with orders for months and it's a struggle for me to catch up. Keeping customers waiting is Not competent business and I don't want to get into that cycle again.

But, again I thank you. Dell

[Geo]

And "xmen", there you have it. The consensus on this side of the Atlantic is that you ain't got nuthin' (your own videos prove that). Pity poor Geo who in order to rehabilitate you has to overcome the testimony of Dell Himself. It's a job which I suppose Geo would have preferred not to have had.

At least I don't understand Greek, only a few written words, and the rest is video which needs little translation. Fraudsters from Latin America tend to run and hide when I show up, because their superstition that nobody north of the Rio Grande can read Spanish or Portuguese gets nuked. Send "Hung" a PM and ask him between him and me, who posts more links to Mineoro and spends time to discuss their content. He is afraid to post links to Mineoro whereas I gladly do so because Mineoro themselves provide the evidence of their fraud, just as you do to yours, that's why I posted the link to your other video.

The problem with doing LRL demos on video, is that people can see what you did or claimed to do. That is information that works against you, unless they are people who do speak Greek and don't know enough English to read the information on the Internet.

So, let's suppose you're living in Greece, and hungry, maybe even trying to feed a family, and "ya gotta do what ya gotta do".

My advice is this: don't post in forums, too many people know too much. Our USA Thomas Alfilani (sp?) got this figured out a long time ago, he's the major LRL'er who has no regular presence on LRL forums, only the occasional "ping" where he gets slapped all the way to Siberia and the problem goes away for another year or two until it all happens again. You can be smarter than Tommy, and here's how it's done: Don't post in areas where people know what you're doing! Prey only on the clueless!

--Dave J.

Don't be so sure that at this area the people knows?????
They don't know anything about dowsing or LRL!!!!

[Dell Winders]

Pretenders! Big Ego's are at risk. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Don't be so sure that at this area the people knows?????
They don't know anything about dowsing or LRL!!!!

The reality is that this forum is one of the very few places on the internet where both dowsing and LRLs are very well understood, and the true facts laid bare. That's why dowsing proponents get so upset when their belief system is challenged. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that dowsing works.

Pretenders! Big Ego's are at risk. Dell

Which is exactly what I was referring to by the huge hole you've dug for yourself over the last 30+ years. Your ego is now firmly stuck at the bottom. You should have left a exit route where you could escape, just in case you eventually woke up to the fact that dowsing is a pile of medieval psychic nonsense.

I read an amusing article recently where so-called psychic ability was described as being similar to yoghurt weaving, and that map dowsing (another one of Dell's delusions) was popular with some people, as it reduced the level of ridicule from passers-by.

[Dell Winders]

WIS! Dell

[Dell Winders]

Qiaozi, It's nice to know you can read, but your moderating skills are lacking. It's hard to determine if the subject of this thread is about the physics of operating a Long Range Locator, Mental Dowsing, About Dell, or an opinion platform for Qiaozi's to demonstrate his disdain for LRL users.

QUOTE FROM DAVE J; You just explained why a balanced L-rod doesn't work-- insufficient field strength. You need that gravitational field to be able to point the sucker, and if you cancel the influence of that field on the rod by counterbalancing it, ya ain't got squat unless you magnetize the rod, in which case you have a magnetic compass that actually does respond to a field.

No, I didn't. I'm sorry I was not more specific when speaking to a little dog gagging on a chewed curtain. I was referring to the Strength of "Magnetic Fields", Not the Gravitational field. Maybe later, I will try to explain why Magnetic conditions will prevent an LRL from working.

There may be some merit to using Magnetized L-Rods. In theory, the L-rods reverse polarity while held in Human hands. If true, in practice this is why even Copper Rods are repelled by anomalous Magnetic fields.

I have briefly tested Magnetized Stainless Steel Rods, but have not done any experimenting. Dell

[Geo]

The reality is that this forum is one of the very few places on the internet where both dowsing and LRLs are very well understood, and the true facts laid bare. That's why dowsing proponents get so upset when their belief system is challenged. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that dowsing works.

So... science is so little!!!!