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[hawk17966]

Oh dear....!


Okantex....dear...I am RObert, just using my other nick here....I just answered on your private message about RF...If you want more, than let's start new thread about it. You open a new thread and i'll be everyday visitor...

Let's back to mineoro subject:

O.K.

HUNG , ESTEBAN ,
I have only one question for you two;

Lets presume that i am just once seriously intereted in your claims..
There is one thing which bugs me mostly in your story;

If your mineoro "beeps" in one direction,than you follow signal, sooner or later you gonna "spot" the exact place and know where to dig.
So, now Hung and Esteban:

How do you know at what depth is find and what kind of metal it is?





Lets presume that item is at 2 meters depth....So you start digging....

After a while (huh, 2 meters hole is some work) you find it and it turns to be a iron trash but not gold or something simillar???


As i experimented with PDC210 so many times and later with Zahori...both devices "beep"-ed so many times in so many directions that made me crazy and of will to dig anywhere....


I saw that funny movie clip from Mineoro where 5-6 man dig a huge hole...about 1.5x3 meters and almost 1.8 meter depth and finally they founded a piece og gold chain......Such enormous effort of 5-6 man just to gain worthless piece of chain, even it was gold...
Of course that clip convinced me noway that mineoro works,cose picture was not clear at all...so man in the hole could already holded it in his hand hidden and later acted as he founded it in dirt....

But no matter that clip...
You just explain how can you determine which kind of metal is while mineoro "beep"s all the time randomly, picking up all the noise,interferences and eadio and tv sinals arround.....Same as Zahori....

So Hung,Esteban...c'mon...explain...but do not give me a **** story about experience,special techniques, wether conditions,moisture etc...etc...


If you can explain this, than i'll stop laughing on your stories for a while....otherwise you better stop posting here....at the end everybodys gonna laugh in you all the time...

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Esteban and Hung,

Although Hawk17966/Robert is getting a little upset, he does make a number of good points.
Firstly:

so man in the hole could already holded it in his hand hidden and later acted as he founded it in dirt....

This may not be what actually happened, but you must concede that it is a possibility. It would not take some difficult sleight-of-hand to plant the "longtime buried gold" and miraculously make a "discovery".
Secondly:

How do you know at what depth is find and what kind of metal it is?

Another good question. There is no depth indicator on the Mineoro. Depth indication (like all metal detectors) is an educated guess, and is based on a standard sized coin (whatever that is).
Lastly:

at the end everybodys gonna laugh in you all the time...

There is one sure way to stop the laughing and disbelief - take Carl's $25,000 challenge. If this technology works and it's so easy, then go and claim the money. That way everyone will stop laughing.

[hung]

All you questions can easily be answered just reading the info on

www.mineoro.com

About depth. There's an acessory> center & deep which is used to detemrine how deep is the target.
How it's used: Once you determine the center of the object, place the detector in a 45 deg angle , 1 foot away from center, pointing in a N-S direction (there's a support included). Then get the center e deep and start moving forward, when the detector beeps, there's your depth.

See the videos about this in the Mineoro site.

There is one sure way to stop the laughing and disbelief - take Carl's $25,000 challenge. If this technology works and it's so easy, then go and claim the money. That way everyone will stop laughing.

Sorry, I don't think so. The laughing would go on.

[Qiaozhi]

Sorry, I don't think so. The laughing would go on.

Only if you don't pass the challenge.

[Esteban]

In my case, I asure you nobody in my team plant targets. We go in sites invited for landlords supossed there are treasure and we walk. Several meters from the place of the target the pistol beeps. In the case of the ring the landlords dig and found the item.

Can't respond if is possible to incorporate a depth indicator in this type of machine.

Also I laughing of emotion in each find.

I'm in this way since 1979. If I believe in it is because many times we unearth precious items, include small treasures, like the cup with nine gold fine plates found near a stream I was posted here, and many more.

I see that for you only persons like Hawk17966, Sony or Robert has "good points".

Yes, I asure you one day we'll demonstrate with dollar$ or without dollar$.

[Qiaozhi]

In my case, I asure you nobody in my team plant targets. We go in sites invited for landlords supossed there are treasure and we walk. Several meters from the place of the target the pistol beeps. In the case of the ring the landlords dig and found the item.

Can't respond if is possible to incorporate a depth indicator in this type of machine.

Also I laughing of emotion in each find.

I'm in this way since 1979. If I believe in it is because many times we unearth precious items, include small treasures, like the cup with nine gold fine plates found near a stream I was posted here, and many more.

I see that for you only persons like Hawk17966, Sony or Robert has "good points".

Yes, I asure you one day we'll demonstrate with dollar$ or without dollar$.

OK - so if this technology really works, then why do so many people not believe in it? Even those who have tried LRLs and found them lacking?
Why does it work for you and not for others? Hopefully the answer has nothing to do with psychic phenomenon.
I think we can all agree that it would be absolutely marvellous if ionic detection worked as advertised. Unfortunately posting lots of affidavits and photographs do not prove the reality of this technology one way or the other. There is still an enormous question mark hanging over ionic detection, and only a double-blind test will satisfy the engineers and scientists here that this is more than hogwash.

[Esteban]

Simple, because isn't familiar for the persons! I start with long range locators and after use the "normal" detectors. Rare, no?

[Esteban]

As the photos can't prove nothing that electronic long range metal detector works, also your words can't prove nothing against it!

[hawk17966]

OYE again !




Esteban:
"Justly for respect to this persons of Serbia I upload in "mytempdir" because they has
problem with dial-up slow internet. So, is very easy save in the hard disk and watch
later...."

Ivconic likes you very much, RObert likes you, Sony likes you and finally me Hawk17966 like you
and your attitude Esteban...
We also respect you a lot, despite some previous posts with a lot of criticism,laugh,peaking,
"naming"........Sometimes man forget good manners....It is a pitty, but that's the way it is!
RObert nick and this Hawk17966 nick is shared by 6 different persons, so it will be so
confusing if all of us start posting our real names!?
Ivconic is one and only person, and Sony is one and only person.....
You already know that ivconic is actually Ivica Conic, but Sony's real name i do not know
either....We are contacting from time to time by mail only.
One of us, ROberts is real RF expert, great personality, famous and respected man...The rest of
us are quite different....
All of this started as a joke....We are sharing one and only pc (on the job, in national TV)
and only one internet conection, when using RObert nick....
But real RObert, the very first one, left national TV for some time ago and started his own
company....The rest of us continued "jokin'" with this thing under his nick....
Some of our posts makes him angry so we started with new nick - Hawk17966......
I also do know for sure that RObert and Ivconic are very good friends, although they do not
meet often,due to huge distance between their homes-over 250 km.....
I also know that Sony and RObert live closely, some 10-15 kms away....
Ivconic is a kind of "lone wolf" and only man who ever met him in personal is RObert, somewhen
at the start of this year....Also Jackdetect was close with ivconic too...
Me,my name is Slobodan, which means nothing to you - of course....
Stevan,Milan,Zivorad,Alex are the rest of "ROberts"......


We do not have any problem with dial-up slow internet at this place,job. So far as i understood
only ivconic have simillar problems cose he is living far away from "city noise",deep in the
mountain....and he is the only one who is using old dial-up.....but anyway
THANK YOU FOR BEING RESONABLE AND UNDERSTANDING for such problems and used "mytempdir"....
So, now i guess i cleared up a bit for you about our personalities and all the mix-up lately..
Esteban we like you and we apreciate your contributions here.....
regards
.................................................. .....................
Hung, we do not like you, and we do not apreciate your apearence here....sorry, that's life!
.................................................. ..........................

But lets back to my question here.....
When i use my conventional MD, in this case it is White's DFX....i am 100% sure about any
"beep" on the field. I do know what metal is underground, i am 80% sure about the depth and
THERE ARE NO OCASSIONALL BEEPS WITH IT! NO,INTERFERENCES,HUMS AND NO RADIO/TV RECEPTION!!!!
Of course DFX is respectfully deep, i can find ring on 50cm depth, coin on 45cm depth....
"Jar with 100 coins" i can locate at 90-120 cm depth with DFX....
SO, what's so good about your mineoro to beat DFX ?
Answer first my question, than later you may spit on my post.....i do not care anyway!

Okantex, you may open a new thread about things you are interested and REAL RObert is gonna
help and contribute there as much as he can...so he told me by phone...
regards with big OYE !





A kind of Serbian humor....you wouldnt understand anyway...

[Esteban]

Thanks for the clarification.

Hung, we do not like you, and we do not apreciate your apearence here....sorry, that's life!

I know Hung is a good person, he isn't seller or Mineoro's employed. I think you're very hard with him...

[hawk17966]

Only time will tell.....

:confused:
Only time will tell.....

[Dell Winders]

Hung, we do not like you, and we do not apreciate your apearence here....sorry, that's life!

:mad: Who is "We" ?
You do not speak for me. I like Hung, and I am interested in the information he provides about Mineoro. Dell

[hung]

Thanks for you input Dell. 'We' are the Serbians I suppose...
I must say that personal 'likes' and 'dislikes' are inherent to the human being, as long we all respect each other.
I will never answer to personal attacks, bad language or unpolite posts.
We all can agree or disagree about something but keeping it civil. Unfortunately this has not been done lately in these forums.
If I make it to the USA next year, it will be a pleasure to meet you in person.

[Seden]

Dell's right

I gotta agree with Dell,this we stuff is bogus-speak for yourself. I've been watching this forum for quite awhile to see what would develop on the mineoro detector and am still waiting to see what's inside the sensor. What happened to Alex's progress?

I just bought (off of ebay)a USB O'scope/Spectrum Analyzer and plan on sweeping gold with various kinds of waveforms plus white noise to find the resonance of the grains. Not a perfect system as the grains vary in size from one locale to another but should prove interesting and will post the results.

Right now the best technique for gold grains is Spectral Induced Polarization and beleive it or not the frequency is in the audio range. The frequency which the maximum phase shift occurs is related to grain size,which is higher for the fine grained conductors (Field Geophysics-3rd ed., Milson-Pg.124). I'm wondering if that's what the Mineoro is seeing via the earths Telluric currents.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Randy

[michael]

Hung is one nice, respectful and respectable man that I have learnt many things from him.
Hung! I send my best greetings and hails to you. please give my best greetings and hails from me to Damasio and Alonso.
of couser some bodies think they are a nation by themselves.
Hung! don't be annoyed, without homeliness, beauty is meaningless.