Testing

[Qiaozhi]

I think by now, it's pretty much settled the understanding that long time buried metals emit ions and electric field and it's relationship to the earth behaviour itself.

That is an incorrect assumption. It is no way "pretty much settled". The patents you have put forward as evidence that longtime buried gold emits ions is in no way related. These patents are referring to a phenomenon known as magnetotellurics - see link -> http://www.emiinc.com/mt.html
This method is looking for variations in the naturally ocurring electromagnetic fields in order to detect large subterranean anomalies, not "sniffing" for gold ions drifting in the wind from small buried objects such as rings or coins. Good try, but no cigar.

[hawk17966]

Cant you read????

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Cant you read michael ???

"I made a test field with big burried barrel filled with Cu parts on 1.1 meters depth....."

This means that I DUG A HUGE HOLE AND PUT THAT BARREL FILLED WITH SCRAP CU ITEMS ,LATER BURRIED,WELL COVERED WITH SOIL....

I done this 2-3 years ago intented as a sort of test field....

What i posted is truth. If you gonna beleive or not - i do not give a ****..

Devices i tested, all of them were mine or from my closest friends....I had those devices by me long time to examine and test,also worked on field with those many times.......I DO NOT BORROW....

Besides, i am to tired to bug my self with you and your questions....
Keep up your "blah,blah...".....
I'll be OFF this nonsences from now on....

[Esteban]

One more time: yes, emits!

And more: the techonology is used for others! Part of the page (scientific page) said:

Mobile Metal Ions is a term used to describe ions which have moved in the weathering zone and that are only weakly or loosely attached to surface soil particles. It is a widely held belief that these Mobile Metal Ions are transported from deeply-buried ore bodies to the surface. Scientists from around the world have been studying this phenomenon for many years.
No-one is completely clear on exactly how the metal ions migrate to the surface.


... Because the ions have recently arrived to the surface they provide a precise ‘signal’ on where the ore-bodies are.

* * * * *

The red letters are mine. In the same way, the metal of a treasure can emit mobile ions to the surface.

Here the link:

http://www.sciencewa.net.au/science_rd.asp?pg=111

So, the rest of the job is yours: classify the ions.

[michael]

hey hawk123656123
I intended not disrespect you and never have done this, this is clear in my post am astonished why you wrote so!!!
although I had no decision to answer you but you not deserve to be respected . learned persons are humble, but you... highly arrogant
the guy who is blind is you. who is deaf is you.
It's apparent you talk in this manner even with your family, friends,...everybody maybe have opinions little opposite to yours. an arrogant man when encounters to rights are bitter for him uses so many inepts (i am to tired to bug my self with you and your questions....Keep up your "blah,blah..."..... I'll be OFF this nonsences from now on...."
from what you mentioned it declares worse; you never understood detectors.
see, oh not because your eyes are closed to truths. why? because you are really blind maybe have 2 eyes on head but a really blind. 2-3 years ago... see, you are blind less than 5 or 10 is not enough. why we found so many irons very smaller than that barrel in depths 1-2 meters with Rover C which has much less resolution than 2005 C?
than we can realise your judgements about other things (MDing, LRLing, LDLing).
I asked you serious question not to ridicule you, but you, what? can't answer like as human.
surely discipline and etiquette is not in your ghost. your breeding caused so.
this kind of my answer was your fault not me. I apologize others here. maybe these disputes continue here, then in advance I apologize other members for probable much more unpleasant phrases using here . this blithering idiot pushed me to run my fingers so on keyboard.

[hawk17966]

Here is "barrell" for you Michael...


Michael you may be angry...but i would like to awoid you and your further comments....You showed already as very "pesty"....I do not want to talk with you here...simple - i do not have time and nervs for you....Period...

By the way, if you insist here is that barell i've been talking about...of course it should be any barrell on the snap shot...isnt it?
(This is of course from UG12 Emfad's....in case you do not know....also i payed 8000 euros for it at the time...few years ago...IT IS MINE-NOT BORROWED)

If you recognize barell on this photo, than i am very stupid man and you are genius ! Congratulation forever!
bye,bye

[hawk17966]

try to stay off replying on my posts or...

:mad:
"I think your problems are so that you mostly use borrowed devices which
not belong to yourself.It's obvious a detectorist should work for a while
to understand his detector language and behaviors not transient of others..."
First you are acusing me to be ignorant who only borrows devices from others for
hour or two and according to that short experience acts like expert.....
Than you posted....
"I intended not disrespect you and never have done this, this is clear in my post
am astonished why you wrote so!!!"
What else could be disrespect than what you posted above????
What do you expect.....You are making me ignorant and than wait me to thank you????
Michael...RObert,Ivconic and SOny already "gave you foot"....now is my turn!
Do not reply on my posts and good by michael...I do not "peak" you, you must not
"peak" me....Deal?
:mad:

[Qiaozhi]

And more: the techonology is used for others! Part of the page (scientific page) said:

Mobile Metal Ions is a term used to describe ions which have moved in the weathering zone and that are only weakly or loosely attached to surface soil particles. It is a widely held belief that these Mobile Metal Ions are transported from deeply-buried ore bodies to the surface. Scientists from around the world have been studying this phenomenon for many years.
No-one is completely clear on exactly how the metal ions migrate to the surface.


... Because the ions have recently arrived to the surface they provide a precise ‘signal’ on where the ore-bodies are.

* * * * *

The red letters are mine. In the same way, the metal of a treasure can emit mobile ions to the surface.

Here the link:

http://www.sciencewa.net.au/science_rd.asp?pg=111

So, the rest of the job is yours: classify the ions.

You are taking this data out of context. The information in the above link also says "At the surface the ions are subject to weathering and are bound up by soil forming processes (i.e. they become part of the soil)."
As you can readily see, any ions that have migrated to the surface are incapable of detaching themselves from the soil and floating off on the wind, and eventuallly finding themselves sucked into the sensor of a Mineoro. In any case, gold does emit ions, even if it's buried for a million years.

[Esteban]

No necessary to floating, I never said these ions are floating. I said there are an electric difference in the soil capable to be detect. The company uses chemical method for to evaluate commercial possibilities. But you can use electronic methods.

In any case, gold does emit ions, even if it's buried for a million years.

This is the same opinion of Carl. The page don't specify about what kind of ions can migrates, but YOU know!!!!

Can you asure? Can you demonstrate? Can you show me a page wich demonstrates your aseveration? The theme is this: mobile metalic ions in the soil from depth. No more.

Yes, I post twice.

[Qiaozhi]

In any case, gold does emit ions, even if it's buried for a million years.

Oops! I meant to write "gold does not emit ions".
But I guess you understood anyway.

[Esteban]

Yes, I understood. My first intention was to mark the word in italic, but I leave it.

[michael]

Hawk!
first; I not more stay off you. push this in your ear.
If I showed already as very "pesty" what have you shown yourself?
a witan, a polite? no , a "pollutant Virus".
About Robert, Sony all are the same one person YOU....
If you want to "give a foot" no problem, surely will get it return more intensified.
and from now I won't sit and undergo your pejoratives or any body .
but Ivconic personality is different of you. at least is more polite than you and somewhere put some useful info and helped us thanks him, but what's your quale?
just some battling, humiliating, spitting,........... a heavy dossier.
oh pardon me for this tone, again you were faulty pushed me to it.

back to subject; from BORROWED ... I really had no intention to disrespect you, as I seriously thought it's so, you could simply deny it and I apologized you. not to answer angrily. if you got so I apologize you.

we could share our info. anyway you before mentioned about Future 2005
it doesn't concerns to emfad and no I'm not high genius to talk about
what have no experience with. I don't know about it's graph.
my purpose of putting the pics was to compare them. they are from
the same exact place with constant field length and searched surface,
1,2 E/W and 3 N/S direction. there is a well that opening is buried about
1 meters under ground. just in N/S see the right shape of cavity whereas
it's round. then we can focus to change searching to N/S dir.....and....
I wanted to continue this discussion to mineoro and even MDind.....
but you broke this discussion and pulled it to nowhere, spoiled it. for what ? nothing, just because you don't like me for a very idle purposes.
it could be good discussion. anyway if here is person who have experiences with future series We can share info each other.

[Qiaozhi]

Yes, I understood. My first intention was to mark the word in italic, but I leave it.

Thanks.

[Esteban]

Ok.

[hawk17966]

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[aft_72005]

Okantex: the tune frequency of Mineoro is only in the loop. This is in the region of the khz.

Zahori is different. The normal is near 100 hZ. At more high frequency the sensibility is poor. This frequency discharge the telescopic antenna of straneous charges.

I'll scan the DCH series manual of the years 1985, 86, 87 and 88. Some models of this years are similar in operation's principle. I'll collect these and put in forum.

I'll scan the DCH series manual of the years 1985, 86, 87 and 88. Some models of this years are similar in operation's principle. I'll collect these and put in forum.[/

Hi Esteban
Please upload or send me DCH manual .
Thanks for trouble
Best regards