I now own a Mineoro FG80

[Qiaozhi]

Uh oh! Looks like Carl, has wasted big bucks to add another LRL to his 20+ collection of LRL's he has never been able to learn to use. He now own's 2 Mineoro's, and never learned to use the first one, before buying a second one. How smart can that be? Dell

"... Carl has wasted bug bucks ..." - Actually I both agree and disagree with this statement. Yes - buying LRLs is certainly a waste of money, and I'm pleased that you've pointed that out for everyone. However, in this case it does make some sense. The reasoning in this instance is to carry out a proper scientific study of this device, given the insistence by certain contributors to this forum that the FG80 actually works as advertised.
Personally I believe you are partly correct, inasmuch as Carl has certainly added another duffer to his collection of "already proven to be non-working" LRLs.

[Carl-NC]

Uh oh! Looks like Carl, has wasted big bucks to add another LRL to his 20+ collection of LRL's he has never been able to learn to use. He now own's 2 Mineoro's, and never learned to use the first one, before buying a second one. How smart can that be? Dell

Could be that I've wasted my money, but if I did, I did so with my eyes wide open, and with the expectation that I would never see that money again. I'm OK with that. How about you, Dell... are you OK with that?

I've already wasted a heaping gob of money on bogus LRLs, but in the process, I've save a lot of folks way, way more money than I've spent. If the Mineoro also turns out to be bogus, then I expect a lot of people will appreciate my loss.

And, no, I don't own another Mineoro.

- Carl

[Seden]

Much obliged Carl

Carl,

That is very noble of you to make a sacrifice like that as you've spent some major money to help us out. You are either single or have a very understanding wife.
I have always wondered if some of these LRL's might have one small component of truth and it was so great when you took them apart for us all to see what they really are.
To bad Randi can't do that as he's losing credibility lately with me. Startted out good but is over the top now.

Keep up the good work as I can't part with money for even one LRL unless it's 100% proven in my presence-talk is cheap.

Randy

[vcrb]

No time to go into this in details right now. I'm leaving for my trip.
Either one of the following:

1 - Correct weather conditions ( less than 50% humidity, hot sun, etc.) are not met (fresh gold detection).

2 - Bad calibration. You have to practice.

Get back to you lin two weeks upon my return.

Well-Well-Well............... seems that you gentlemen are starting to get the same results that we did. Did not work on pure gold, alloyed gold, gold that was buried for several years and just about anything you can imagine. We did EXTENSIVE testing in all types of weather and at different times of the year. It really only took about one day to know that the units did not work. We tried and tried but to no avail.
Makes me wonder why they included the sample ?
Or......maybe it only works for these dealers on this board ? Maybe stand on one foot, close one eye, spin in circles and PRAY ! I think some people are starting to see that Mr. Carl is not so smart. This forum has too many dealers and many questions to be asked. Very humorous.
VCRB
BTW- Has anybody figured out that this is the same product as OKM markets under another name ? Also that a man named Claude Cochran was involved with MINEORO for years. He sold many units and then had to apologize and take them off the market. Nobody has mentioned ? He was a friend of Mr. Dell also.

[vcrb]

In the very little time I've spent with it, I can hold the FG80 horizontal and adjust the threshold to where the beeping just stops. Then, no matter where I'm at, if I point it downward, it starts beeping. Same thing with pointing it upward.

OK, I can set the FG80 on a surface, facing horizontal, and adjust the threshold to where the beeping just stops. Wave the "gold" sample, or my gold bar, anywhere in front, to the side, above, it doesn't matter... no beep. OK, adjust it to where it begins to beep... it's beeping rather randomly... beeping doesn't change in response to any target.

Last night, I took a closer look at the "gold" sample provided with the FG80. At one corner I noticed a slight separation... I discovered that the gold facing is an adhesive foil. I peeled it back slightly, and the foil is far more rigid than gold should be. I'm wondering if there is any gold in this sample at all. I plan to do some acid tests.

- Carl

This is it ? The Master Carl Moorland's report on the Mighty Mineoro ? We have waited in mass anticipation for a "scientific report". What we get is some guy playing with a box and knowing nothing.
Maybe you better take it apart and make a decision. It appears your testing is certainly flawed more that a bit my careless friend. My goodness, my young son could do a better job.
Can you post a picture of you doing your testing at your scientific testing facility ? You really don't need tear it apart as one of your forum members already did a much superior job than you. Just use that one. You have lost all credibility. On second thought, you never had any (LOL!)

Don't you know the difference between foil, gold and copper?

vcrb

[Dell Winders]

SEPT 2005:
For what it is worth, from my own years of experience in field testing LRL, I don't necessarily agree with some of the information provided on the MINERO, website, or in the operator manual.

Nor, would I reccommend consumers paying more than $2,000 maximum, for any LRL, presently on the market. They all have inherhent limitations that need to be addressed and understood by the operator, for the effecient use of this type of product.

With that said, I did have a problem with the MINERO falsely beeping when there were no Gold targets and realized the difficulty an inexperienced operator would have knowing if the MINERO was tuned correctly, or even working properly,

After I tested for the best settings of the MINERO, in fluxuating "Strength of Field" conditions of Central Florida, USA conditions, and showed the purchaser his best method of usage of the product, the MINERO customer has since made six (6) presumed Gold locations with his MINERO.

Both, by personally re-checking his locations with the MINERO, and then comparison testing the locations with a Fitzgerald "SI-GO" LRL, my own "DDL Gold" (experimental) and OMNITRON PRO-4, and X-SCAN, models, five (5) of the MINERO targets were able to be confirmed by these other Locator's

Carl, apparently has an older version of the MINERO, and it may not be tuned correctly, or working properly, which give justification for his negativity.

The MINERO, target depth tool that came with the MINERO, was of a different design than the one that Carl, has pictured. We tested the "Depth" Probe on a deep target. The MINERO, was placed close to the Target location as in the instructions. When the Depth probe was touched to the ground on the possible 45 degree emenating "field" (Bishops Rule), the MINERO would Beep. When the Depth probe was touched to the ground elsewhere, the Minero would not beep. In this test it would beep 24 feet away from the non-electronic 'depth" probe. This test was repeated with consistent results.

I also experienced reactions detecting and tracing the "signal line" to targets, and the depth ring, using a pair of L-Rods with the MINERO power turned on. A lesser reaction occured on the "Signal line" with the Power turned off.

In my opinion, the MINERO, Does work, but not necessarily as it is advertised. Dell

[Dell Winders]

OCT 2006:
I hadn't previously posted a detailed report on Mineoro FG-80, because my time has been limited, and there was not enough time during the short field trial for repeat testing and documenting, so there is little to report, but perhaps I can offer some insight to help curb unrealistic consumer expectations of the Remote Sensing Discrimination concept.
Operating conditions were very bad the day of the Mineoro FG-80, field trial with interference fluxuating in and out from one minute to every few seconds. Usually I just pack up and go home under those operating conditions because I can not achieve accuracy with any RSD, MFD or LRL under those conditions. That is fact!
In my opinion, you should take the following notes into consideration before you purchase any Remote Sensing Discriminator, or learning to use the Mineoro FG-80. The Mineoro, requires manual adjustment of the sensitivity control to obtain a threshold setting. You have a constantly changing Target "Strength of field" if you attempt to operate under adverse SMI conditions or it's residual effect. There is no electronic metering of SMI fluxuations by the Mineoro, or any other, that automaticly compensate for SOF changes. So unless you have a sensitive "field' strength meter, or use a pair of L-rods to meter and realize the fluxuations of target SOF, when trying to use the Mineoro, or any RSD during fluxuating SMI conditions it can be an exercise in frustration, and futility. This includes my own products.
What most people, and manufacturers, don't realize is that a gram of micron sized particles, generates the same "Strength of Field" as 100 pounds, or more of bullion. There is a common mis-conception that the stronger the response, the larger the target. It sounds logical, but thats not the way RSD or LRL works.
Also, from what I can see during the brief trial, the Mineoro, does not have the capability to determine the weight of a target. As a result, I suspect that it also will detect clusters of micron particles, which is commonly detected with other LRL & RSD. This Inherhent sensitivity to microscopic particle has helped give these locating methods a bad reputation because sellers fail to inform consumers about this important consideration when purchasing. As a result, thousands of so-called "Empty holes", have, and are being dug behind MFD & LRL for 25 years and errounously reported as being False, or Ghost signals.
Indeed, there are millions more of non visible and minute targets that are subject to be detected by the sensitivity of Remote Sensing Discrimination (RSD) than there are targets of substance.
Unfortunately, competitive, exaggerated, false, or mis-leading advertising generates unrealistic expectations in the consumer. This is NOT to say the products do not work at all, only that the advertising may not be truthful.
I took Ed Merill, to an area unknownto him, where I suspected Spanish Gold to have been buried circa 1635. I asked Ed, to turn on the Mineoro, guesstimate the sensitivity tuning, and see if he picked up any signals as we walked from the car to the suspect area.
From approximately 25 foot distance, Ed, did manage to locate and isolate two undetermined targets with the Mineoro, during the brief times of reception. I compared his locations using, the Omnitron, Pro-4. There was 13 inches difference in our target locations. This result is consistent with other RSD products and operators I have test compared over the years.
There was a discrepancy in the comparative depth measurements of the targets. The Mineoro, indicated a minimum depth of 29 feet, and the PRO-4 indicated a minimum depth of 33 feet. I think the difference might be attributed to the fluxuating operating conditions at the time. When I test compared the previous Mineoro model, the depth measurements were consistently the same within 3-5 inches.
I briefly tried the Mineoro FG80 myself, and it beeped
when I pointed it at the same targets Ed, had located.
I then turned on the Pro-4, at the same time to see if it affected the target SOF for the Mineoro. The Mineoro, now appeared to also be beeping along the generated harmonic signal lines from the Pro-4, to the targets.
No definitive testing was done on the Mineoro FG-80, during this short field trial. Dell[

[Fred]

VCRB, if you can do so much better,why you dont do it, and stop talking? I always find critisism usefull , as long as it is positive.
Carl, dont you have a Museum nearby? due to exceptional range of the detector, i think you dont even need to go inside to detect the (old) gold....mmmm.
OR, you could heat up a bucket or sand and put some silver coin in it, as long as you know where you put it think you will detect it.

Seriously,if it only works with less than 50% humidity, most of world´s treasures will rest in peace,as it is really dificult to find, and almost impossible close to the oceans....
Fred.

[vcrb]

Carl,

That is very noble of you to make a sacrifice like that as you've spent some major money to help us out. You are either single or have a very understanding wife.
I have always wondered if some of these LRL's might have one small component of truth and it was so great when you took them apart for us all to see what they really are.
To bad Randi can't do that as he's losing credibility lately with me. Startted out good but is over the top now.

Keep up the good work as I can't part with money for even one LRL unless it's 100% proven in my presence-talk is cheap.

Randy

Randy, I don't think you will ever have to worry about dealing in treasure. There is NOTHING 100 %. As for Carl he is so distant from what is a real treasure hunter that it is ridiculous. Understanding wife? Don't quit your day job as you are already doomed to be there until your an old man. Yes,talk is cheap, but treasure hunting takes much more than worrying about what Mommy has to say. It takes money, commitment and huge chances. Don't take offense to this, as I am merely pointing something out to you. The guys I hunt with could care less what their wife, girlfriends or even I have to say. The whole thing is about treasure and finding it ANYWAY you can. This is not a hobby, but rather a quest that is HIGH RISK. Count on it!
VCRB

[Carl-NC]

BTW- Has anybody figured out that this is the same product as OKM markets under another name ?

Yup, this has already been discussed.

Also that a man named Claude Cochran was involved with MINEORO for years. He sold many units and then had to apologize and take them off the market. Nobody has mentioned ?

Also has been discussed, on TNet I believe.

This is it ? The Master Carl Moorland's report on the Mighty Mineoro ?

I don't mind folks criticizing my reports, but the least you could do is wail 'til I write it.

VCRB, if you can do so much better,why you dont do it, and stop talking?

I agree, why don't you write up a Mineoro test report? Especially since you've "tested the new and old versions" and "tested them every month of the year and in several different locations including Greece, Mexico, Philippines and many other places" and "did EXTENSIVE testing in all types of weather and at different times of the year."

Perhaps you could share some photos of you testing the Mineoro all over the world. And since you said, "the thing beeped EVERYWHERE or not at all," then maybe you could explain what, exactly, makes the Mineoro beep. Surely with all this experience using Mineoros, you did a thorough analysis on what physical phenomena triggers the devices, so that you would know with absolute certainty it is not due to gold.

- Carl

[strujas]

I have suggest for all of you,,,take off hands of mineoro and try your luck with bionic 01 I belive that he really works and soon I will have answer for you,,my friend will by him next week

[Qiaozhi]

... the MINERO customer has since made six (6) presumed Gold locations with his MINERO.

Both, by personally re-checking his locations with the MINERO, and then comparison testing the locations with a Fitzgerald "SI-GO" LRL, my own "DDL Gold" (experimental) and OMNITRON PRO-4, and X-SCAN, models, five (5) of the MINERO targets were able to be confirmed by these other Locator's

"presumed" is the key word here. As you can see Dell did not actually find any gold whatsoever during his test of the FG80. The "finds" were "confirmed" using some other LRL and/or dowsing crap. :confused:

Carl, apparently has an older version of the MINERO, and it may not be tuned correctly, or working properly, which give justification for his negativity.

What a bummer! I knew that some problem would arise that could negate any tests that Carl might perform.

Well-Well-Well............... seems that you gentlemen are starting to get the same results that we did. Did not work on pure gold, alloyed gold, gold that was buried for several years and just about anything you can imagine. We did EXTENSIVE testing in all types of weather and at different times of the year. It really only took about one day to know that the units did not work. We tried and tried but to no avail.
Makes me wonder why they included the sample ?
Or......maybe it only works for these dealers on this board ? Maybe stand on one foot, close one eye, spin in circles and PRAY ! I think some people are starting to see that Mr. Carl is not so smart. This forum has too many dealers and many questions to be asked. Very humorous.

It appears that you are somewhat disgusted with the LRL manufacturers (and maybe just a little with yourself) for having been suckered into buying something that doesn't work. Personally I don't blame you. It's not nice being ripped off by some snake oil salesman. However, with your firsthand indepth experience you should have much to contribute here. So why don't you just give Carl a break, and let him have some time to experiment before passing judgement? If these tests are rushed in any way, the LRL proponents will call a foul. If the FG80 gets disassembled, the proponents will call a foul. Already we've heard that Carl apparently has an old model and hasn't practised enough with the threshold control. We've also heard from Esteban that it "works only for old items", despite the advertising that states it can be used to detect fresh gold. I wonder how many more excuses we're going to hear before this testing reaches a conclusion?

If you could stop playing devil's advocate for a minute, and give us the benefit of your experience, that would be great.

Here is a short story for you ->

There was once an Emperor in China who needed to select a successor to his throne. Since he loved flowers, he decided to call the children in the kingdom together and give each a seed. After one year the children were to return with their plant and the new Emperor would be chosen. The child Ping tries many methods to grow his seed but nothing happens so his father tells him to take the empty pot since he had done his best. When the Emperor sees the empty pot he selects Ping as the successor since all of the seeds were boiled and none should have grown. Ping was the only child honest enough to return with an empty pot.

Perhaps you can see the connection. Ping is the Chinese equivalent of Carl. The others returned with pots full of flowers (i.e. longtime buried gold).

"I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand."

[Esteban]

If these tests are rushed in any way, the LRL proponents will call a foul. If the FG80 gets disassembled, the proponents will call a foul.

I have experience as constructor, no only as user. If I persist in this possibility, is because I know no only a way, I know several. About this theme you don't will find literature, schematics, etc., and obviously proponents are a few. Ergo, we are the f...

[vcrb]

Yup, this has already been discussed.
Also has been discussed, on TNet I believe.



I don't mind folks criticizing my reports, but the least you could do is wail 'til I write it.



I agree, why don't you write up a Mineoro test report? Especially since you've "tested the new and old versions" and "tested them every month of the year and in several different locations including Greece, Mexico, Philippines and many other places" and "did EXTENSIVE testing in all types of weather and at different times of the year."

Perhaps you could share some photos of you testing the Mineoro all over the world. And since you said, "the thing beeped EVERYWHERE or not at all," then maybe you could explain what, exactly, makes the Mineoro beep. Surely with all this experience using Mineoros, you did a thorough analysis on what physical phenomena triggers the devices, so that you would know with absolute certainty it is not due to gold.

- Carl

I must admit that I do not look all over the internet so I have not seen what is on this other forum, and quite frankly don't care. Yes, I will wait for your final report as it might be interesting. (maybe) You already know what triggers the device. I do not consider myself an expert as you proclaim to be. This is your parade so I will not cloud it with the facts. Just finding a few things very humorous as you seem to be discrediting yourself each day. You might want to consult the nice gentleman that did an extensive job tearing one apart. I would assume that he did much better testing than you are doing ?
Yes, I spent extensive amounts of money on these devices and others. Myself and others also tested and did our best to come out with something we could use. This did not happen and now we are on another promising path. I have put information and our findings for you to view and you have nothing to say. It seems that your opinion is the only one you are interested in. Carry on my American friend and we will judge for ourselves. We simply cannot wait to hear what a successful treasure hunter like yourself has to say.
VCRB
PS- So you are saying the MINEORO is beeping over gold
EVERYWHERE ?

[vcrb]

"presumed" is the key word here. As you can see Dell did not actually find any gold whatsoever during his test of the FG80. The "finds" were "confirmed" using some other LRL and/or dowsing crap. :confused:


What a bummer! I knew that some problem would arise that could negate any tests that Carl might perform.



It appears that you are somewhat disgusted with the LRL manufacturers (and maybe just a little with yourself) for having been suckered into buying something that doesn't work. Personally I don't blame you. It's not nice being ripped off by some snake oil salesman. However, with your firsthand indepth experience you should have much to contribute here. So why don't you just give Carl a break, and let him have some time to experiment before passing judgement? If these tests are rushed in any way, the LRL proponents will call a foul. If the FG80 gets disassembled, the proponents will call a foul. Already we've heard that Carl apparently has an old model and hasn't practised enough with the threshold control. We've also heard from Esteban that it "works only for old items", despite the advertising that states it can be used to detect fresh gold. I wonder how many more excuses we're going to hear before this testing reaches a conclusion?

If you could stop playing devil's advocate for a minute, and give us the benefit of your experience, that would be great.

Here is a short story for you ->

There was once an Emperor in China who needed to select a successor to his throne. Since he loved flowers, he decided to call the children in the kingdom together and give each a seed. After one year the children were to return with their plant and the new Emperor would be chosen. The child Ping tries many methods to grow his seed but nothing happens so his father tells him to take the empty pot since he had done his best. When the Emperor sees the empty pot he selects Ping as the successor since all of the seeds were boiled and none should have grown. Ping was the only child honest enough to return with an empty pot.

Perhaps you can see the connection. Ping is the Chinese equivalent of Carl. The others returned with pots full of flowers (i.e. longtime buried gold).

"I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand."

Not disgusted with myself, or any LRL manufactures at all. This has all been a learning journey for me and my people. Nothing comes free and there is a thread of truth in many things. This is for YOU to decide. I added some information to this board and Mr. Carl knows I am correct. I will stand back and let him finish his report. Nobody seems to believe anything anyway. I think each individual needs to make their own decision. I certainly don't agree with all manufactures of ANYTHING, but on the other hand I don't agree with Carl and others either. You need to pay your dues boys.

VCRB
PS- Everybody is going to cry foul no matter what happens. Either way as none these opinions are going to sway a person one way or another.