I now own a Mineoro FG80

[neronc]

Answer to mail

Hello Mister Abdelali

Sorry but this is a english forum speaking and i can't answer in French
ou can contact me on my mail again. I answered to you but mail is coming back.


jf039059@scarlet.be

Regards JP

[crowknows33]

Carl and his Crusade

I've been surfing treasure hunting sites for quite some time now and when doing so you can't help but run across LRL and dowsing topics. I have read the pro's and con's and in the con portions there's almost always a posting from Carl talking about how LRL's don't work etc. I'm just curious though, for a man who obviously doesn't believe in dowsing or in the claims made by LRL users and manufacturers; why do you devote so much energy and resources to something you don't believe in? After a while one begins to think....Methinks He Doth Protest Too Much.

[Qiaozhi]

I've been surfing treasure hunting sites for quite some time now and when doing so you can't help but run across LRL and dowsing topics. I have read the pro's and con's and in the con portions there's almost always a posting from Carl talking about how LRL's don't work etc. I'm just curious though, for a man who obviously doesn't believe in dowsing or in the claims made by LRL users and manufacturers; why do you devote so much energy and resources to something you don't believe in? After a while one begins to think....Methinks He Doth Protest Too Much.

As you have discovered for yourself, there is a lot of stuff posted on the forums concerning dowsing and LRLs. In most cases this propaganda is liberally supplied by those who have a vested interest in promoting this nonsense. Carl is the voice of reason. You don't have to listen, but don't say you haven't been warned.

[Jim]

I've been surfing treasure hunting sites for quite some time now and when doing so you can't help but run across LRL and dowsing topics. I have read the pro's and con's and in the con portions there's almost always a posting from Carl talking about how LRL's don't work etc. I'm just curious though, for a man who obviously doesn't believe in dowsing or in the claims made by LRL users and manufacturers; why do you devote so much energy and resources to something you don't believe in? After a while one begins to think....Methinks He Doth Protest Too Much.

What's your choice of magic wand, eh?

[Carl-NC]

I'm just curious though, for a man who obviously doesn't believe in dowsing or in the claims made by LRL users and manufacturers; why do you devote so much energy and resources to something you don't believe in?

I appreciate your concern about how I spend my time. Perhaps I should remain quiet about LRLs, eh? Caveat Emptor, and the University of Hard Knocks. What do you think, Mr. Crow?

- Carl

[Esteban]

Carl is the voice of reason.

Ah!!! Is the Lord of Truth!!!

[Dell Winders]

There are a few fanatical, closed minded members in the Skeptic group irrationaly preaching Scientism, just as there are in every religeon.

Forutanately, we have the choice if we wish to be a faithful follower of would be dictators, who preach, and force their own belief in Scientism with bias and prejudice, or we can resist their folley and learn to experience true Science on our own, and speak honestly from personal experience. Dell

[Rudy]

There are a few fanatical, closed minded members in the Skeptic group irrationaly preaching Scientism, just as there are in every religeon.

Forutanately, we have the choice if we wish to be a faithful follower of would be dictators, who preach, and force their own belief in Scientism with bias and prejudice, or we can resist their folley and learn to experience true Science on our own, and speak honestly from personal experience. Dell

All us doubters ask for is for an explanation, using generally accepted scientific principles, of how these LRLs work. I think that is the least that
those that make LRLs and sell them at obscene profit margins should be capable of doing.

Irrationality, like beauty, is in the mind of the beholder.

[Qiaozhi]

There are a few fanatical, closed minded members in the Skeptic group irrationaly preaching Scientism, just as there are in every religeon.

Forutanately, we have the choice if we wish to be a faithful follower of would be dictators, who preach, and force their own belief in Scientism with bias and prejudice, or we can resist their folley and learn to experience true Science on our own, and speak honestly from personal experience. Dell

Alternatively ->
There are a few fanatical, closed minded members in the Dowsing/LRL group irrationaly preaching Pseudoscience, just as there are in every religeon.

Forutanately, we have the choice if we wish to be a faithful follower of would be dictators, who preach, and force their own belief in Pseudoscience with bias and prejudice, or we can resist their folley and learn to experience true Science on our own, and speak honestly from personal experience. Qiaozhi

Complete with spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.

[Max]

There are a few fanatical, closed minded members in the Skeptic group irrationaly preaching Scientism, just as there are in every religeon.

Forutanately, we have the choice if we wish to be a faithful follower of would be dictators, who preach, and force their own belief in Scientism with bias and prejudice, or we can resist their folley and learn to experience true Science on our own, and speak honestly from personal experience. Dell

Hi Dell,
I think that one is free to belive in what he/she want to. But when we are talking about science and commercial units that sells for thousand of dollars, that some "companies" earn placing around bunch of trash, we can't talk of mistycism or religion but only of a great business.

Anyway one thing is "dowsing" -a man that try to find something using his mind or "powers" or whatever but without any "special" detector but simply a pendulum or an inexpensive wood piece- and another is advertising that everyone could find a treasure using such kind of detectors , just power on it and start searching.

One day its sensor is called "ion chamber", another day it'll become "an electrometer" and so on...but what's that stuff ? : just a piece of PVC pipe with nonsense electronics connected and a lot of epoxy...that point to nothing at all (maybe some external noise source if you are lucky).

So , if you want, feed the nonscience industry and belive in their claims.
It's your right (but please don't call it science, true science or engineering: it's not anyway).

Best regards,
Max

[michael]

3rd experience

Hi dear Ruth, after some retreat of snow, we got a chance for 3rd try with FG80.
we searched tens of hectare for 2 days, the day before that there was raining and mostly snows melt away for this reason.
Although still haven't started for our serious locations (based on treasure maps), these searched areas were somehow hot from archeological standpoint (e.g. one graveyard older than 3000 years) ground was thoroughly muddy and weather more or less cold(3-5 C°).
At first day that was sunny and with 50-55% humidity, we got no signal and FG80 was working stably.

At second day that sky was covered by clouds, and 60-65% humidity we got one typical and clear signal in other zone of that area, but after some detection from different directions, signal disappeared. at this day sometimes FG80 was unstable, behaved crazily; went out of adjustment and beeped continuously or randomly, what was the real reason, I don't know.

I think this device is somehow faulty and behaves like what had read about FG78.
or perhaps we should wait until spring and best weathers!!!!!
Hung, Esteban, What's your opinions?

[Esteban]

Repeat the search in the place you obtain the signal, but in best weather conditions.

[Qiaozhi]

What's your opinions?

Here's one ->

[neronc]

FG80

Repeat the search in the place you obtain the signal, but in best weather conditions.

Dear Esteban


For my part I begin to be tired of Mineoro.
I bought a Fg80 in July and this appariel sounded on everything.
He had to take the cool gold and nothing not even to 50cm.
Mineoro sent me an automatic Fg80 and this one doesn't react anymore of the all.
They explain that it sounds on the electric circuits and on the grooves provided gold with......... nothing, more of reaction of the all.
I find incredible that Mineoro provides you a device that doesn't work.
Does this device have of the to be tested before its departure of the factory????.
And that one doesn't tell to me that the appreil detects the old gold however because I look for between a treasure runs away by my father (about hundred gold pieces buried rightly before the war) that displaced it never and just him and me savios where this treasure was.
To you to make the findings.
To note that I never have any answers to my mails.
I invested in this detector more than 7500 euros and I don't intend to remain some there.
By dint of to drag the guarantee will have passed.
I had the opportunity to test the German devices that are heavier but that they gave a result.

Sorry for my English but I make what I can.


JP

[Seeker]

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To note that I never have any answers to my mails.
I invested in this detector more than 7500 euros and I don't intend to remain some there.
By dint of to drag the guarantee will have passed.
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JP

Poor, poor neronc ! To spend 7500 Euro for nothing !

For that money you can buy 5 excellent MD or one GPR !

So, what deal !