Mineoro 2-Box -- 492 feet range?

[hung]

Hello
Until now my DC2008 works as a weak metal detector. Most of the targets i found with Esteban/Alonso Pistoldetektor i chek with my DC2008 and find notting unless when items are large and near the surface,so this Mineoro its useless device,and with other Mineoro DC2006 model ionic/eletrostatic tipe i never find METAL,only beeps from electric power lines!!! So Mineoro sell this FRAUD and extrmly expensive devices.
If its Alonso the designer of this working Pistoldetektor,why Mineoros LRL made by Alonso/Damasio not work?...Why they dont sell only the Pistoldetektor?

Good Golly, holly incompetence!

You really were born to find bottle tops in the beach...

[hung]

Irrational logic based on personal Bias, Hatred, or Prejudice does not indicate wisdom.

Supposedly, this forum is about "REMOTE SENSING" what ever the method??

I get the impression that Carl, added this forum intentionally to attract LRL users. Voice your complaint to Carl, for creating a forum for LRL users to participate, and ask him to remove it if it offends you.

Robert, the question is, do you have anything constructive to contribute to a "Remote Sensing" Treasure Hunting forum?? If not, why are you here??

PEACE be with you my friend and enjoy the New Year!

Dell

Hi Dell!

It's a pleasure to see you here.
I might be sending you good news in a short time.

Happy new year, my friend.

[roberts]

[quote=Dell Winders;64524]Irrational logic based on personal Bias, Hatred, or Prejudice does not indicate wisdom.

Supposedly, this forum is about "REMOTE SENSING" what ever the method??

INDEED DELL.I AGREE. SUPPOSEDLY MAN SHOULD MEET SOME PROVABLE FACTS HERE.DOUBLEBLIND TESTABLE CLAIMS.CLAIMS BACKUPED WITH COMMON SENCE AND SCIENCE.

I get the impression that Carl, added this forum intentionally to attract LRL users. Voice your complaint to Carl, for creating a forum for LRL users to participate, and ask him to remove it if it offends you.

AGAIN TRUE. I AGREE.THIS FORUM SHOULD LOOK LIKE ANY OTHER HERE.SCHEMATICS,PROJECTS,SHARE,CORRESPONDENCE.JUST LOOK IN TECH FORUM AND OTHERS.

Robert, the question is, do you have anything constructive to contribute to a "Remote Sensing" Treasure Hunting forum?? If not, why are you here??

I THINK I DO. SUSPICIONS,DOUBTS,POSITIVE PROVOCATIONS,APPEALS...MORE THAN ENOUGH CONTRIBUTION.SOME QUESTIONS ARE HARD TO BE ASKED.I ALREADY ASKED ALL THOSE QUESTIONS,SINCE NOBODY ELSE DARED TO ASK.

PEACE be with you my friend and enjoy the New Year!

THANK'S DELL. I WISH YOU THE SAME.HEALTH ON THE FIRST PLACE! SAME TO OTHER MEMBERS HERE.

[Max]

Hi all,
there could be some truth about "short-range-locators" (few meters)...talk of that but just stay calm and don't start talking about ions... and zahoris again!

The truth I mean could be related to well known physics and conventional MDs principle of operation... so nothing trendy as a ion cloud or a tesla bla bla... but maybe functional somehow to detect a coke can outside the range we normally refer as limit for common MDs.

Of course, is just a foggy thing for now... lot of things need to be carefully verified...and by many people... and I have lot of dubts on real implementation , procedures etc etc

But at least seems there is some REAL physics and well understud and known principle involved and claimed range is not of miles or lightyears but just a few over conventional stuff... (if you can detect a coke can at 1meter with a PI detector can you do the same at e.g. 2 meters using similar principle but different implementation ??? I think could be possible)

Still you think there's some zahori that detect water flows !? No, no... sorry but there isn't anything similar... or dowsing stuff...pendulum??? all BS for me as always... but if you belive that ... OK do so. I'm happy too.

So...be quite... don't start another ions-war here... silence is wisdom... one way or another.

Happy new year to all of you (and lot of good health of course),
Max

[mosha]

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Hi all,
there could be some truth about "short-range-locators" (few meters)...talk of that but just stay calm and don't start talking about ions... and zahoris again!

The truth I mean could be related to well known physics and conventional MDs principle of operation... so nothing trendy as a ion cloud or a tesla bla bla... but maybe functional somehow to detect a coke can outside the range we normally refer as limit for common MDs.

Of course, is just a foggy thing for now... lot of things need to be carefully verified...and by many people... and I have lot of dubts on real implementation , procedures etc etc

But at least seems there is some REAL physics and well understud and known principle involved and claimed range is not of miles or lightyears but just a few over conventional stuff... (if you can detect a coke can at 1meter with a PI detector can you do the same at e.g. 2 meters using similar principle but different implementation ??? I think could be possible)

Still you think there's some zahori that detect water flows !? No, no... sorry but there isn't anything similar... or dowsing stuff...pendulum??? all BS for me as always... but if you belive that ... OK do so. I'm happy too.

So...be quite... don't start another ions-war here... silence is wisdom... one way or another.

Happy new year to all of you (and lot of good health of course),
Max

Hi Max,

did you start your closed forum,

best regards.

[J_Player]

Were the readers of the remote sensing forum were lied to again?

Here is what hung posted, directed to all the readers of the remote sensing forum, except not me. What I am posting below is directed to the same readers. hung can ignore it if he wishes, or can answer if he wishes.

All the spanking on my examiner evidences were not enough?
...Then, I reconsidered that in attention of the other general readers who are normal and don't deserve your misinformatios and deviations.

So, take note: The answers are directed towards those readers...

1- ...This individual not owning an Examiner clearly (and insanely) tries to 'insinuate' there's no diode soldered to the pot... ...I was challenged to post a picture. I won't do this of course. I respect the proprietary circuit secret of the manufacturer, unlike this individual who enjoys hacking detectors in desperation of his own incompetence.

2 - I said the scientific comunity uses AIAS as basis for their research.
This is asolutely true, although I misexpressed myself a little. I wanted to state the scientific comunity watches regularly the developments in AIAS and matches its own. ...

3 - The third question relates to his total ignorance in RF fundamentals. It was all twisted as a clear ignorance of what transmission lines is. 'Shoot' a siginal line? Oh my God.. May I recomend to this individual chapter 1 of the ARRL book for a basic understanding of RF transmission process?

What I said is that the Examiner sends out a signal and aligns with the responsive one. This creates a signal line, in the same manner a frequency broadcast is received by any ordinary receiver tuned to that frequency. ...

Now wait a minute... hung has just posted some more false information!

Look at #1 - Here is hung's original statement of how he measured inside his Ranger Tell:
From page: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...618&#post63618

"The way I was measuring the variances, was opening the examiner box and placing the positive probe in the lead of the diode which is connected to the pot".

And now hung says I clearly (and insanely) try to insinuate theres no diode soldered to the pot. Am I insane? I did not insinuate there is no diode soldered to a pot. I stated a fact, no insinuation:
From page: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...3725#post63725

I do not see any photos of his measurements that he claims he made inside the circuit board area, at "the diode which is connected to the pot". In fact there is no place the diode is connected to a pot inside the Ranger Tell, as Carl's internal photos show. The diode is connected between an enameled coil and a variable capacitor. (Did hung really open up a Ranger Tell)?

Hung says he won't show a picture of the diode connected to a pot. He lists the reason that he respects the proprietary circuit secret of the manufacturer, while his previous reason was about the calculator falling and making it hard to take photos! Hahahahaaa... There is no secret! We all have seen the photos of the inside of the Ranger Tell diode model as well as the schematic for it. We all know there is no pot soldered to the diode. Is the real reason why hung won't show photos because he knows he will show a photo that proves he never measured from a place where the diode connects to a pot? Is it possible hung refuses to show a photo because he knows he would have to show a photo that proves he sent out false information? Would hung's photo inside the Ranger Tell prove he never opened the Ranger Tell?

Look at #2 where hung says: "I said the scientific comunity uses AIAS as basis for their research."
Nice try at fooling us hung, But that's not what you said. What you said is still here for all to see from this page: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...3185#post63185

If you navigate the internet correctly, you will find out how ALL scientific comunity in the world utilizes AIAS as basis for their research.

But now hung tries to erase his false information by saying "I misexpressed myself a little"? Now his new changed statement is only the last half of his original statement that has been edited? "the scientific comunity watches regularly the developments in AIAS and matches its own". I can agree that some of the scientific community probably does watch AIAS regularly, but not ALL. From asking the people I know in the scientific community, I concluded less than 10% of them ever heard of AIAS. But they seem to know Myron Evans. The scientists I know laughed when they heard Myron Evans in charge.

Look at #3 where hung tries to say I'm ignorant of RF fundamentals.
Hung claims he said "What I said is that the Examiner sends out a signal and aligns with the responsive one". But this as a lie! Here is what hung said in his original post at this page: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...1226#post41226 "This is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned". Hung goes on to say I am ignorant of RF fundamentals when I quote his words? Does anyone in this forum except hung believe Radio transmitters "shoot signal lines"? Now hung is trying to assign his ignorance to me because I quoted him?

Hung then goes on to explain that the Examiner sends out a signal... but wait, the Ranger Tell has no broadcasting equipment in it! In fact the Examiner has no working circuits in it. Look at the circuit diagram and the photos below and see if you can find a transmitter or receiver, or any circuit that is capable of doing anything. (also look for where the diode is connected to a pot).
Does it look like hung has been feeding us more false information?

[Clondike Clad]

Hung what is going on with this.

Hung can you tell us what is going on?????????????.

[roberts]

Must be that he own quite different version of device???

Whatever version it must be, all the versions are absolute nonsence - bogus devices. Not only this, look any other LRL schematics! What you can see there? Nonsenced wired up components and wires!?
On the other side, if you take a closer look at some real device, let's say some 2 box, let's say Fisher Gemini or White's TM808 (direct answer to Max) you can see real schematic,device....already proven as workable. Yes Max, there is a way to achieve some "distances" more than with conventional md's. Already done by Fisher and White's. So much from these principles. Can you gain more? I dont think so! At least not significant improvements.
OK, let me give you some clues here:
if you want to experiment further here, on this subject; you should take some 2 box design (simple one for a start) and try to dig out how to improve it.
Conditionaly named "lrl" can be achieved only using 2 box principles. Man can gain few inches more (or maybe even more) using those.
But drawbacks are already known; no way to discriminate detected metals.
That can be real stuff.
But.....telescopic antenas,"ionic chambers", "ir",calculators,bulky wires!?? No way man! Those are usually mixed up in most strangest "devices" by persons, not educated at all, like few members we have here.
Funny and sad!

[Max]

Must be that he own quite different version of device???

Whatever version it must be, all the versions are absolute nonsence - bogus devices. Not only this, look any other LRL schematics! What you can see there? Nonsenced wired up components and wires!?
On the other side, if you take a closer look at some real device, let's say some 2 box, let's say Fisher Gemini or White's TM808 (direct answer to Max) you can see real schematic,device....already proven as workable. Yes Max, there is a way to achieve some "distances" more than with conventional md's. Already done by Fisher and White's. So much from these principles. Can you gain more? I dont think so! At least not significant improvements.
OK, let me give you some clues here:
if you want to experiment further here, on this subject; you should take some 2 box design (simple one for a start) and try to dig out how to improve it.
Conditionaly named "lrl" can be achieved only using 2 box principles. Man can gain few inches more (or maybe even more) using those.
But drawbacks are already known; no way to discriminate detected metals.
That can be real stuff.
But.....telescopic antenas,"ionic chambers", "ir",calculators,bulky wires!?? No way man! Those are usually mixed up in most strangest "devices" by persons, not educated at all, like few members we have here.
Funny and sad!

Hi,
yes is what I think too about device improvements.

It's clear that there are a lot of bogus claimed working LRL pistols... and we have above a clear example of that... maybe the idea of such "manifacturer" is let users think that there's some principle behind the nonsense like putting some coils and caps here an there to let people suppose there's some kind of tuning... and actually there could be... but are totally meaningless things the same as putting turns of telephone wire all around head.

I think 2boxes are ancestors of some "small range" stuff out there (I was thinking the same also before)... few improvement on existing technology...that's what I think.

Other stuff are just wallet mining operations like quadro things... and all the bogus affairs of MFD (or MFID) ... or electrostatic zahoris... or ferrite goldgun's... ion clouds...etc etc all magic of crystals !

Kind regards,
Max

[hung]

The posted picture comes from an early (maybe the first) Examiner model.

I was told that early last year RT launched an all diode Examiner model.

This is the one I presently own.

Simple question. Simple answer.

[hung]

It's clear that there are a lot of bogus claimed working LRL pistols... and we have above a clear example of that... maybe the idea of such "manifacturer" is let users think that there's some principle behind the nonsense like putting some coils and caps here an there to let people suppose there's some kind of tuning... and actually there could be... but are totally meaningless things the same as putting turns of telephone wire all around head.

I think 2boxes are ancestors of some "small range" stuff out there (I was thinking the same also before)... few improvement on existing technology...that's what I think.

Other stuff are just wallet mining operations like quadro things... and all the bogus affairs of MFD (or MFID) ... or electrostatic zahoris... or ferrite goldgun's... ion clouds...etc etc all magic of crystals !

Kind regards,
Max

Max,

The Examiner is clearly a radionic device.

Now if you don't believe in radionics, dowsing, zahoris, UFOs, etc. it's another thing and you have all the right to do it and it's your prvillege too.

My voltage variances testings are all there for everybody to see. For what the examiner is supposed to do, the AC variations for instance only showed what it to be expected from the device's concept. If people think I faked the test, hooked the probe to myself, my dog or to a refrigerator, I don't care..
I just think I did a good service for the general reader who will get the same results if they can replicate the test.

Among the other skeptics I consider yourself as the one with the least blocked mind of all. Possibly for your gathered knowledge and not so 'cocky' personality. Please, if you can't move on, keep it at least like that.

Happy new year.

[Qiaozhi]

The Examiner is clearly a radionic device.

Radionics is associated with alternative medicine, whereas the Examiner is basically a dowsing device. The only possible link between radionics and the Examiner is that they're both based on psuedoscience, and the dubious idea of subtle energy transmission between a living being and the environment.

Now if you don't believe in radionics, dowsing, zahoris, UFOs, etc. it's another thing and you have all the right to do it and it's your prvillege too.

My voltage variances testings are all there for everybody to see. For what the examiner is supposed to do, the AC variations for instance only showed what it to be expected from the device's concept. If people think I faked the test, hooked the probe to myself, my dog or to a refrigerator, I don't care..
I just think I did a good service for the general reader who will get the same results if they can replicate the test.

Your "analysis" doesn't even agree with the general (misconceived) ideas behind radionics. Although, as I stated earlier, this is actually a form of dowsing.

Among the other skeptics I consider yourself as the one with the least blocked mind of all. Possibly for your gathered knowledge and not so 'cocky' personality. Please, if you can't move on, keep it at least like that.

I think you will find that Max is as skeptical as the rest of us.

[joecoin]

I have a theory regarding the "diode" connected to the potentiometer.

I believe that Hung mistook the variable capacitor for a potentiometer. It is very easy for someone with limited knowledge of electronic components to make that mistake.

If Hung could post a picture of ONLY that part of the circuit which he believes is the potentiometer, perhaps we could be of assistance to him.

[hung]

I believe that Hung mistook the variable capacitor for a potentiometer. It is very easy for someone with limited knowledge of electronic components to make that mistake.

What, another joker here?
Err..My limted knowledge of electronics made me built lots of devices to this date. Wow, it was just a mirage!?


I think this subject is going towards the realms of insanity, as people don't believe there's indeed a model different from the picture shown which a diode is directly soldered to the pot.
If you don't believe, sorry. Maybe you can ask this to RT directly if you think this is a lie.
This case is closed for me. I will not post regarding this subject anymore.

[Qiaozhi]

This case is closed for me. I will not post regarding this subject anymore.

Good.