Rangertell LRL discreditation

[hung]

Hi John,

I would like to ask you if you tried your RT in magnetic island and if it worked ok.

By 'working ok', I mean if you still can find your gold nugget where a strong magnetic field is present.

[Max]

Hi John,

I would like to ask you if you tried your RT in magnetic island and if it worked ok.

By 'working ok', I mean if you still can find your gold nugget where a strong magnetic field is present.

uhm... why don't you call it ...treasure island ? You watch too much TV.

What's that magnetic island HUNG ?

Maybe you need also the island be magnetic for that LRL to work... so ... you need too few iron on blood...a caravan and sure a paint roller as backup!

[hung]

Magnetic Island is a particular spot in Queensland, Australia.

[Steve in MS]

I bet not!!!

Even with the hydrogen car engines working, there are too much oil companies around and some serious Arab's money to support USA.

Say maybe this is a good comparison as hydrogen is very expensive, not cost effective alternative to oil. It will never be a primary fuel source for several reasons--just will not work--

Say even hipopp mentions false good signals and that these devices don't work for others, hmmm, I rest my case.

So John, you have already contacted Carl?
I bet he is wringing his hands and is really worried about the money.
That's is what we have been lacking about these devices, something more scientific, not taking someones' word that it works, that is all I have seen, which reminds me of
Championship Wrestling...maybe folks from other countries won't know what I am talking about.

[Max]

Magnetic Island is a particular spot in Queensland, Australia.

I see... so you're still addicted to ferrite I think...

[Steve in MS]

I have one of these LRL devices, it's called the Quadro. It has a cheap radio antenna with a pivot point and it has a module that goes in the handle, one for silver and one for gold. Anyway, I have placed a large pile of silver coins on the ground in my yard and couldn't get the device to locate it while I was using the silver module so I decided to wave a silver dollar close to the end of the antenna and it didn't make the antenna move. Wouldn't a near field be stronger than a far field?
Say, aren't all these devices the same, I mean they all do the same thing, having a pivot point that causes movement so they must be the same?
I bet this one is just as good as any other brand, which brand is the best?
Maybe I didn't believe enough that it will work?
Hung, which brand do you have? I bet mine is just as good as yours.
How much did yours cost? I would like to know if I got a good deal on mine.
I would sell mine but I can't make any guarantee that it works, I would hate to rip someone off, how can someone be honest that sells these devices?

[hipopp]

magnetic test rangertell LRL

Hung...i just tried picking up a nuggett at 10 feet in my loungeroom. Half gram nuggett on the floor detects fine. Introduced a strong fridge magnet to near the aerial and all detection of the nuggett stopped, no nugget. Took away the magnet and it took the aerial approx. 30 seconds to lock onto the target again. So yes magnetism affects the rangertell. regards...

[Fred]

Hung...i just tried picking up a nuggett at 10 feet in my loungeroom. Half gram nuggett on the floor detects fine. Introduced a strong fridge magnet to near the aerial and all detection of the nuggett stopped, no nugget. Took away the magnet and it took the aerial approx. 30 seconds to lock onto the target again. So yes magnetism affects the rangertell. regards...

Hi,
did you try close your eyes and thow away the nugget, then try to find it with the RT ?
That would be interesting.

[Aziz]

Let's assume, we want to detect a 0.5 gram gold nugget at 50 m distance. We use a PI machine because they are really able to detect small gold. We know, when the current through the coil is high, the detection range will also higher. Doubling the coil current gives us appr. 12% depth increase. For double distance, we need 64 times more coil current.
Let's say, our PI has a coil current of 1 A for the detection depth of 0.5 gramm gold at 10 cm distance. Now the billion dollar question is: How much coil current is necessary to compete with such a LRL detector?
Ok, lets make some math:

Distance Current
0.1 m, 1 A
0.2 m, 64 A
0.4 m, 4096 A
0.8 m, 262144 A
1.6 m, 16777216 A
3.2 m, 1073741824 A
6.4 m, 68719476736 A
12.8m, 4398046511104 A
25.6m, 281474976710656 A
51.2m, 18014398509481984 A

Ok, we need just 18,014,398,509,481,984 A (18e15 A) through the coil. Now, we need additional an array of nuclear reactors to operate our PI detector. Of course, if we are able to solve some trivial problems with very high currents.

Ok, this was a joke. Now the truth:
LRL can not work.

[hung]

Hung...i just tried picking up a nuggett at 10 feet in my loungeroom. Half gram nuggett on the floor detects fine. Introduced a strong fridge magnet to near the aerial and all detection of the nuggett stopped, no nugget. Took away the magnet and it took the aerial approx. 30 seconds to lock onto the target again. So yes magnetism affects the rangertell. regards...

Yes, this is expected. I already did this test in the past.
Also, if you place the magnet in a strait line with the gold sample and you pass with the examiner in between, it will tend to point to the magnet.
I did hold the magnet in my right hand close to the handle and checked if it could locate the gold sample on the floor. At first, the aerial seemed 'confused' to where to point. Then in the second and third tries, it could locate the target even holding the magnet.
This all was done with the original swivel examiner. And the explanations are as follows:

The examiner works by aligning its aerial trough the law of charges to the sample in which the input frequency of the element sought acts as a waveguide. This attraction force is very diminute as the device only produces micro volts and currents. The body is a natural charge booster and sometimes, mainly in the evening you will experience a considerable detection power decrease. This seems to be confirmed in all users.
The refrigerator magnet even being small produces a strong field which is able to move fast a compass nearby and it's many times more powerful than the lines of force hitting the aerial in the gold sample's case alone. Naturally, the aerial will suffer strong interference and will tend to align to the strongest force around. You will notice that if you have a polarized magnet, the examiner will tend to open or close depending on the pole the magnet is facing the aerial.
But then comes the interesting part. After repeated tests several months ago, I noticed that despite of that, after the first temptatives with the magnet present, the examiner started to overcome this and in the second and third tries it could locate the target. The 100% failure rate did not happen, but the average sucess rate with the magnet present was lower.
The explanation to this in my view is that my mind/body electromagnetic field started to produce a differential to overcome this. The aerial captured this 'differential' and it could work better to avoid the alien magnetic interference.
I later discovered that by pressing a simple key in the examiner helped even more.

Carl Moreland used to use this dirty magnet trick to mess up dowsers in his freaky tests.
But I know some examiner users and also dowsers who seem to be immune to magnets around and they proceed locating the targets with no problems. They deserve to be a case of deeper studies.

If you can go to Magnet Island, please do it and see how the examiner reacts there and if you can locate your gold sample with the strong magnetic fields around you. This is a different aproach from the simple magnet case. It's a real field condition. If you suceed at least once or twice, this will prove that there's a way to make your examiner work in such conditions.
Regards.

[Qiaozhi]

Yes, this is expected. I already did this test in the past.
Also, if you place the magnet in a strait line with the gold sample and you pass with the examiner in between, it will tend to point to the magnet.
I did hold the magnet in my right hand close to the handle and checked if it could locate the gold sample on the floor. At first, the aerial seemed 'confused' to where to point. Then in the second and third tries, it could locate the target even holding the magnet.
This all was done with the original swivel examiner. And the explanations are as follows:

The examiner works by aligning its aerial trough the law of charges to the sample in which the input frequency of the element sought acts as a waveguide. This attraction force is very diminute as the device only produces micro volts and currents. The body is a natural charge booster and sometimes, mainly in the evening you will experience a considerable detection power decrease. This seems to be confirmed in all users.
The refrigerator magnet even being small produces a strong field which is able to move fast a compass nearby and it's many times more powerful than the lines of force hitting the aerial in the gold sample's case alone. Naturally, the aerial will suffer strong interference and will tend to align to the strongest force around. You will notice that if you have a polarized magnet, the examiner will tend to open or close depending on the pole the magnet is facing the aerial.
But then comes the interesting part. After repeated tests several months ago, I noticed that despite of that, after the first temptatives with the magnet present, the examiner started to overcome this and in the second and third tries it could locate the target. The 100% failure rate did not happen, but the average sucess rate with the magnet present was lower.
The explanation to this in my view is that my mind/body electromagnetic field started to produce a differential to overcome this. The aerial captured this 'differential' and it could work better to avoid the alien magnetic interference.
I later discovered that by pressing a simple key in the examiner helped even more.

Carl Moreland used to use this dirty magnet trick to mess up dowsers in his freaky tests.
But I know some examiner users and also dowsers who seem to be immune to magnets around and they proceed locating the targets with no problems. They deserve to be a case of deeper studies.

If you can go to Magnet Island, please do it and see how the examiner reacts there and if you can locate your gold sample with the strong magnetic fields around you. This is a different aproach from the simple magnet case. It's a real field condition. If you suceed at least once or twice, this will prove that there's a way to make your examiner work in such conditions.
Regards.

This is just absolute nonsense, based purely on pseudo-scientific claptrap. There is no natural charge boosting from the body, or any interference from magnets. The whole delusion is in your mind - what there is of it.
Pure self-deception. But - of course - there's not really much point in telling you this, is there? Go and take the $25,000 challenge, if you're so confident in your LRL's capabilities. Then we can all have a good laugh.

[Fred]

... Go and take the $25,000 challenge, if you're so confident in your LRL's capabilities. Then we can all have a good laugh.

Did you notice the new problem? Carl has planted magnets everywhere, they need to mentally overcome this problem first... this i why the 25000usd remain there
Everything has an explanation in the LRL world!
Regards,
Fred.

[Carl-NC]

Carl Moreland used to use this dirty magnet trick to mess up dowsers in his freaky tests.

Once again, whenever dowsers can't do what they say they can do, it somehow must be ol' Carl's fault. Magnets have no effect whatsoever on dowsing or LRLs, beyond the pure imagination of the practitioner. So even if I did tote in a magnet to a dowsing test it would make no difference, as long as the dowser had no knowledge of it. Such a "dirty trick" would be as pointless as secretly putting a voodoo spell on the test area.

But I have to say, your fabrications are at least getting a little more creative.

- Carl

P.S. -- are "nearby magnets" in my "Frequently Articulated Excuses" list? I'll have to add it! Oh, the alibis!

[hipopp]

rangertell alibis

There is a saying that ..a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
I am seeing this now with the attitude of some people to the ranger LRL. They want it to be an analogue device which is something they can understand...you know ...it's gotta have a wire or two connected. I mean the whole mobile phone network is a fraud cos there ain't no wires connectin' it baby. Yo ho it ain't got no circuit can't fool me will never work....but it does. All matter produces its own electric and magnetic fields but they aren't there cos yer can;t see them right? I can't see Resonance in action so it ain't real right? A simple LCR circuit in a rangertell is too simple right? so it can't work. Never heard so much frivolous uninformed technical assessment. This rangertell is awesome in that it remembers detecting an object and has to be degaussed between settings but now carl is saying a magnet has no effect (on a coil for god's sake, an inductor.) Hey carl basic kids stuff move a magnet over a coil yer produce an EMF, how you think you get power from your electric suupply in the house. You just re wrote the entire script for producing and harnessing electricity. OK i have said enough for now....there seems to be a horrible resistance to anything that looks like a resonant circuit in the minds of the folk here on geophysics. Cannot understand your attitudes at all unless someone is on the payroll of the (expenxsive) traditional type metal detectors. All this started from doing an old bloke here in australia a favour by giving him an unbiased appraisal of the rangertell, and, in the meantime he found the geophysics site and the bias and prejudice here and in the wash i copped a hiding if not abuse from reporting correctly without fear nor favour. I must be missing something.

[Max]

There is a saying that ..a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
I am seeing this now with the attitude of some people to the ranger LRL. They want it to be an analogue device which is something they can understand...you know ...it's gotta have a wire or two connected. I mean the whole mobile phone network is a fraud cos there ain't no wires connectin' it baby. Yo ho it ain't got no circuit can't fool me will never work....but it does. All matter produces its own electric and magnetic fields but they aren't there cos yer can;t see them right? I can't see Resonance in action so it ain't real right? A simple LCR circuit in a rangertell is too simple right? so it can't work. Never heard so much frivolous uninformed technical assessment. This rangertell is awesome in that it remembers detecting an object and has to be degaussed between settings but now carl is saying a magnet has no effect (on a coil for god's sake, an inductor.) Hey carl basic kids stuff move a magnet over a coil yer produce an EMF, how you think you get power from your electric suupply in the house. You just re wrote the entire script for producing and harnessing electricity. OK i have said enough for now....there seems to be a horrible resistance to anything that looks like a resonant circuit in the minds of the folk here on geophysics. Cannot understand your attitudes at all unless someone is on the payroll of the (expenxsive) traditional type metal detectors. All this started from doing an old bloke here in australia a favour by giving him an unbiased appraisal of the rangertell, and, in the meantime he found the geophysics site and the bias and prejudice here and in the wash i copped a hiding if not abuse from reporting correctly without fear nor favour. I must be missing something.

Hi,
who want anoalog devices ? And for what purpose ?

And what have you on hand ? Isn't it some mumbo jumbo non-sense electronics ? Haven't you a digital calculator and some inductor there glued around ?

What's the meaning of "resonance" you say ??? There are many kind of resonances but seems you focused on some calculator noise interaction with target.... if so... I'm sure my toaster have much more resonance to gold than your RT!

LCR meter ? Where ? Inside RT there isn't... otherwise it could serve for something useful... apart making a flask for whiskey... changing the pot with a cork.

Magnets ???

So... let me tell you... when you talk about detection of a small nugget on the floor... inside an house... do you really knows how many magnets have you around ???

MDs are expensive ??? Some really are expensive but few... others go for 50-200$ not big price I think, think at ACE150 and 250... good , entry level, disc MDs from Garrett...at a reasonable price... and other brands have similar models too. Not for free but very cheapy.

But what about RT cost , uh ??? C'mon write it here !

But MDs give you REAL detection... not random beeps.

You're completely stoned... I see... like the rocks of the outback...the outback's sun hit very hard there!

Kind regards,
Max