Rangertell LRL discreditation

[hipopp]

rangertell

the more this discussion goes on the more evident it is that people do not have a clue what they are talking about. To say that magnets are not used in power generation or that each atom molecule or compound or metal is not resonating at its own frequency is a flight from reality and reason. Even a bridge resonates at its own frequecy that is why soldiers break stride and do not march in unison cos they can add power to the resonance and ultimatelt bring the brodge down. What do you think the Walls of Jericho were all about. As for the rangertell, i am not claiming to be a dowser you folk said that. I opened my discussions here by saying that i can pick up a .6 gram nugget clear as day at 50 meters. I saw faye walking back from a public toilet with it with all her jewellry, when she was out of sight to me.Quite funny it was we were out in the backblocks and i thought i had picked up a rabbit who had swallowed a nuggett. I think the rabbitts are only here. I saw gold in an old prospectors shed. I see all the micro gold in bits of quartz laying on the ground. I have picked up a quartz reef with micro gold in it at about 300 meters. I can pick up ironstone at a mile away. All proper field tests done a 100 ways to LEARN. I have not finished yet. Hung got me testing the interference of magnetism and as a byproduct of that i see that the ranger can be set up to minimise picking up small targets and zeroing in on large target only. I can pick up the gold plated pins in my computer motherboards. What else do you want folks? you are totally in denial me thinks. any chance of reasonable discussion is lost. go do your homework about resonance and magnets in the power industry to generate electricity then we can start off thinking you know at least a little of electrical/magnetic theory. regards.

[Götz von Berlichingen]

Dont repeat this Nonsense over and over.

If you want us to believe you, pick up Carl's 25,000 $
and while you are at it, take James Randi's 1,000,000 $, too.

[Carl-NC]

...or that each atom molecule or compound or metal is not resonating at its own frequency is a flight from reality and reason. Even a bridge resonates at its own frequecy

1. What is the resonance frequency of gold? How do you know?

2. What is the resonance frequency of bridges? Careful with this one, it might make you re-think #1.

As for the rangertell, i am not claiming to be a dowser you folk said that.

True, but the RT is just a dowsing rod. If you pick it up & use it, you are dowsing. You can pretend you're not dowsing, but that doesn't change reality.

I opened my discussions here by saying that i can pick up a .6 gram nugget clear as day at 50 meters. ... What else do you want folks?

I don't "want" anything. What do you want? That is, why are you here? If you're 100% happy with your RT, then do you really care what skeptics think? Wouldn't your time be better spent collecting gold nuggets? The Minelab boys are beating you hands down right now.

Maybe you're here because you're looking for something. Validation perhaps? If I flew to Australia right now, and we performed a randomized blind test of you with the RT, you would fail miserably. Of that there is no doubt. Even Hung will tell you that, though he will find a way to blame me instead of you.

Obviously, I'm not going to drop everything and spend $2000 to watch another newbie dowser bite the dust. But I have provided you with information where you can find out for yourself whether you are doing what you think you are doing. Are you interested in knowing instead of just believing?

- Carl

[Steve in MS]

Guys, Carl runs these forums and he has provided this forum for those who like LRL's. I think he is very generous and has even wanted someone to come to him with an LRL that actually works. I think he is one of the nicest forum owners around and to think he would rig the test area so the device would fail just doesn't fit who he is. All of us would like a device that can magically locate precious metals at long distances but so far it doesn't exist or at least hasn't proven to be true. I can imagine all of us who use conventional metal detectors would ditch them real fast for a better product.
I am guessing Carl would welcome seeing first-hand a working LRL, I bet he would come on board and start using one that actually works, not only that but many more of us, like me, would start selling them.
So all we have so far is some that build their own and others that use bought LRLs with no proof that they actually work and I and others are not very likely to be convinced just because some come on a forum and proclaim they work without any proof whatsoever. The opposite is true about cell-phones, radios and yes,
Real metal detectors,
you know the kind that beeps when you
scan over a metal.
so show us some proof or continue to be not taken very seriously.

[J_Player]

It seems silly to be arguing about how the rangertell works or doesn't work. The objective is to use the rangertell to find treasure, and to use the rangertell to find the hidden target in Carl's contest. If the rangertell can find the hidden target 7 times out of 10 tries according to the contest rules, then hipopp wins $25,000. It makes no difference how it located the treasure, only that it succeeds in 7 or more tries out of 10.

The subject of hidden magnets is not an issure because the contest rules provide that both parties and the test proctor can scan the test location for anomalies before the test. If there are magnets or other things interfering with locating the targets, simply move to another location nearby that both parties agree to.

From the test rules page:

Both parties will agree on a test location. Claimant is responsible for any costs associated with the use of a location2. Claimant is encouraged to scan the chosen location for anomalies prior to the start of the test. Proctor may also inspect the test area. Both proctor and claimant may inspect the target to be used. Both proctor and claimant may inspect the concealment devices and/or holes, including scanning with a metal detector. Proctor may visually inspect the locating equipment, but will not open it. Both parties should make every reasonable effort to reach approval of the test conditions.

Involving the rangertell factory in order to cause Carl to travel to the test site that is reserved for manufacturer testing sounds like a form of fraud to me, and I doubt Carl will agree to travel to test a newbie who misrepresented who is being tested.

However, this is easily solved by traveling to where Carl is for the test without trying to scam Carl out of the travel expenses. If your rangertell can really find hidden treasures 7 times out of 10 tries, then you can take home the $25,000 and pay for travel expenses from Australia. This means you will have $21,000 prize money left in your hands after paying about $4000 for round trip travel and lodging. (You could expand this to a nice vacation if you want).

Think about it... $21,000 in hand, and no need to scam anyone. How long does it take to save that amount of money?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

the more this discussion goes on the more evident it is that people do not have a clue what they are talking about.

I am sure you would like to believe that, but the truth is that many of the people here do know what what they're talking about. On the other hand, it is clear that you are not open-mindedly testing the RT. If you knew the slightest thing about the ideomotor effect, you would be attempting to understand the phenomenon behind your experiences, instead of ranting wildly about the results of your non-scientific tests. The bottom line is that dowsing is a "trick of the mind". There is no detection of anything, except gravity. I know it can seem compelling when the rod moves, but it's all a delusion. You need to see beyond the illusion, and follow Carl's instructions for double-blind testing.

To say that magnets are not used in power generation or that each atom molecule or compound or metal is not resonating at its own frequency is a flight from reality and reason.

Nobody here said that magnets are not used in power generation. Although, why you think this has anything to do with dowsing, is a mystery.

Even a bridge resonates at its own frequecy that is why soldiers break stride and do not march in unison cos they can add power to the resonance and ultimatelt bring the brodge down. What do you think the Walls of Jericho were all about.

Yes - we all know about the phenomenon of mechanical resonance. There are many famous examples of this, without having to resort to religious quotes.

As for the rangertell, i am not claiming to be a dowser you folk said that. I opened my discussions here by saying that i can pick up a .6 gram nugget clear as day at 50 meters.

So - you're not a dowser - but you are using a Ranger Tell. In that case, what are you claiming to be?

I saw faye walking back from a public toilet with it with all her jewellry, when she was out of sight to me.Quite funny it was we were out in the backblocks and i thought i had picked up a rabbit who had swallowed a nuggett. I think the rabbitts are only here. I saw gold in an old prospectors shed. I see all the micro gold in bits of quartz laying on the ground. I have picked up a quartz reef with micro gold in it at about 300 meters. I can pick up ironstone at a mile away.

Blimey! With all the bits and pieces of gold that must exist within a radius of one mile, the poor RT must be whizzing around like a windmill. Perhaps you could attach a magnet to the do-nothing electronics box, and use it to generate electricity.

All proper field tests done a 100 ways to LEARN. I have not finished yet. Hung got me testing the interference of magnetism and as a byproduct of that i see that the ranger can be set up to minimise picking up small targets and zeroing in on large target only. I can pick up the gold plated pins in my computer motherboards. What else do you want folks?

This is where your claims start to sound ridiculous. Someone has really sold you a pack of pseudo-scientific nonsense, and you've swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

you are totally in denial me thinks. any chance of reasonable discussion is lost.

That happened when you wrote your first post on this forum. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Your testing of the RT has been non-scientific, and purely based on subjective measurements. Dowsing is well known to be a mind trick, and therefore your conclusions are irrelevant.

go do your homework about resonance and magnets in the power industry to generate electricity then we can start off thinking you know at least a little of electrical/magnetic theory. regards.

What has this got to do with a swivel handle attached to a box of hot-glued do-nothing electronics, with a cheap calculator glued on the top?
If you knew anything about electrical/magnetic theory, you would be laughing at the RT, and wondering how anyone could be gullible enough to use this rubbish to search for gold. Then you would have tossed it in the trash, where it belongs.

[Theseus]

the more this discussion goes on the more evident it is that people do not have a clue what they are talking about.

And, the more input you enter here, clearly shows you not only don't understand basic mechanical principles, but you also have been taken in completely (brainwashed) by a wallet-miner and scam artist.

To say that magnets are not used in power generation or that each atom molecule or compound or metal is not resonating at its own frequency is a flight from reality and reason. Even a bridge resonates at its own frequecy

That statement is a perfect example of how much you don't really know about resonance. Mechanical resonance is completely different from molecular resonance. Comparing the two in a feeble attempt to validate and strengthen your own faulty belief systems, as sold to you by Vincent Blanes, is an exercise in futility and anyone with even a grade-school education can recognize that fact.

Instead of wasting your time here "plugging" the Blanes dowsing wand, go out and make your fortune with it. Soon, you will find the only one who has a chance at making his fortune are the scam artist wallet-miners that sell these dowsing contraptions.

[Fred]

To say that magnets are not used in power generation

Not power generation, power plant generators.Do you make it on purpose?

I can pick up the gold plated pins in my computer motherboards.

There is gold eveywhere around you: in you watch, calculator, computer, car , TV set, in every single electronic device around you and in the street, there is gold.But you only pick you nugget and Mboard gold. Did you think how selection was done?
It can only be human.

Then you would have tossed it in the trash, where it belongs.

Too expensive to be tossed away: once you´ve bought it , you must "make it work", or you lose part of your virility.

[Max]

Not power generation, power plant generators.Do you make it on purpose?

There is gold eveywhere around you: in you watch, calculator, computer, car , TV set, in every single electronic device around you and in the street, there is gold.But you only pick you nugget and Mboard gold. Did you think how selection was done?
It can only be human.


Too expensive to be tossed away: once you´ve bought it , you must "make it work", or you lose part of your virility.

The only way he has to make it work is reselling on ebay to some other sucker!

Will work as it normally do: giving him at sell some money for nothing (and chicks for free ?).

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

1. What is the resonance frequency of gold? How do you know?

2. What is the resonance frequency of bridges? Careful with this one, it might make you re-think #1.



True, but the RT is just a dowsing rod. If you pick it up & use it, you are dowsing. You can pretend you're not dowsing, but that doesn't change reality.



I don't "want" anything. What do you want? That is, why are you here? If you're 100% happy with your RT, then do you really care what skeptics think? Wouldn't your time be better spent collecting gold nuggets? The Minelab boys are beating you hands down right now.

Maybe you're here because you're looking for something. Validation perhaps? If I flew to Australia right now, and we performed a randomized blind test of you with the RT, you would fail miserably. Of that there is no doubt. Even Hung will tell you that, though he will find a way to blame me instead of you.

Obviously, I'm not going to drop everything and spend $2000 to watch another newbie dowser bite the dust. But I have provided you with information where you can find out for yourself whether you are doing what you think you are doing. Are you interested in knowing instead of just believing?

- Carl

Don't know under wich circumstances , but found this. If we know the atomic frequency (like the cesium, for example), then, we can build a selective LRL for each metal.

[Theseus]

Don't know under wich circumstances , but found this. If we know the atomic frequency (like the cesium, for example), then, we can build a selective LRL for each metal.

With one exception!!! The atomic frequency you make reference to IS NOT something that travels out and away from the source. Hence, your LRL can never be selective, no matter what number you plug into the do-nothing calculator.

Selectivity can only exist within the mind of the dowser, and that parameter of the process is very error-prone, making it totally worthless as a selection indicator.

[Esteban]

With one exception!!! The atomic frequency you make reference to IS NOT something that travels out and away from the source. Hence, your LRL can never be selective, no matter what number you plug into the do-nothing calculator.

Selectivity can only exist within the mind of the dowser, and that parameter of the process is very error-prone, making it totally worthless as a selection indicator.

I talk about electronic LRL.

[Max]

Don't know under wich circumstances , but found this. If we know the atomic frequency (like the cesium, for example), then, we can build a selective LRL for each metal.

Hi,
that's true in NMR scenario: you have big RF sources all around the target piece trying to make it resonate at a particular frequency (that it's strictly related to the magnetic fields there), this way the resonance process will absorb part of the energy and that drop is usually detected by ultra low noise devices connected to the NMR machine.

The way this kind of operation is done require enormous amount of energy to stimulate resonance process in the sample... and usually NMR apparatus have active RF TX running at some Tesla induction: 2-3 Tesla are often employed in medical stuff... but fairly higher are usually employed in e.g. NMR for chemistry stuff... like in big academic labs.

Now... the lrl proposed (RT) hasn't any TX... apart the noise generated at calculator , that so small power... and simple tuned circuit.

No NMR is possible at 1000mt distance... even using an enormous superconducting magnet... sorrounding the target... and no receiver exist to read such small variation from 1000mt far...

No way the things like RT could work as LRL. It's scientific fact.

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

That is interesting.
There is enought RF energy at any frequency on Earth and outside...

[Esteban]

Hi,
that's true in NMR scenario: you have big RF sources all around the target piece trying to make it resonate at a particular frequency (that it's strictly related to the magnetic fields there), this way the resonance process will absorb part of the energy and that drop is usually detected by ultra low noise devices connected to the NMR machine.

The way this kind of operation is done require enormous amount of energy to stimulate resonance process in the sample... and usually NMR apparatus have active RF TX running at some Tesla induction: 2-3 Tesla are often employed in medical stuff... but fairly higher are usually employed in e.g. NMR for chemistry stuff... like in big academic labs.

Now... the lrl proposed (RT) hasn't any TX... apart the noise generated at calculator , that so small power... and simple tuned circuit.

No NMR is possible at 1000mt distance... even using an enormous superconducting magnet... sorrounding the target... and no receiver exist to read such small variation from 1000mt far...

No way the things like RT could work as LRL. It's scientific fact.

Kind regards,
Max

Yes, NMR requires some Tesla in intensity, this mean high current...

But, can be detectable vibration of atoms (frequency)? If yes, you can discriminate each metal from others...